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[Dreamer]

I'm sure many men are disappointed that sexy angels don't drop from the sky to chase them once  they spray themselves with Axe.

 

Reductio ad absurdum bordering on ad homenim. In other words: No one is arguing that.

 

ok, couch racer back in the game (hmmm I quite like that, time for an ID change?), clearly I was hasty in thinking this was done...

 

 

I was rather put off by the OP's aggressive stance.

 

This discussion is however meaningful, even if we may disagree in parts

 

I guess we are now in the realms of marketing.

 

 

Continuing with the burger theme, if I find I'm short a gherkin, but have a few extra fries, then I'm not going to be complaining.

 

For something as complex as a game, there will be things that excite and disappoint, it's a work of art.

 

The big question is was it misrepresentation, and if there is alternate content (and there is plenty of it)

then as far as I'm concerned, the OPs question may have in an edge case technical possibility,

but in the real world, to reject a product on a small component having varied is improbable.

 

Thank you.

 

Your example isn't quite relevant. Had the burger not come with, say, lettuce (as is advertised), then clearly there'd be a problem. This isn't a matter of whether or not someone is excited or disappointed that their burger is wilted, but that it didn't come with beef when it was clearly advertised as having beef. You can't bait and switch.

 

Inquisition was advertised (post-alpha and more than once) as having deeper keep customization than what was delivered. If this level of customization influenced the purchasing behavior of a customer, I'd say it constitutes at least an investigation into what happened.

[ThreeF]

Reductio ad absurdum bordering on ad homenim. In other words: No one is arguing that.

I was not arguing, I was stating a fact.

[Dreamer]

I was not arguing, I was stating a fact.

 

Citation needed then.

[ThreeF]

I guess we are now in the realms of marketing.

We are and while the issue is that marketing needs to be rained and supervised you can not hold accountable BW for doing what is a common and acceptable by law practice.

[ThreeF]

Citation needed then.

You do not wish that sexy female (or  male, whatever suits you better) angels found you irresistible once you spray yourself with a deodorant?

[Dreamer]

You do not wish that sexy female (or  male, whatever suits you better) angels found you irresistible once you spray yourself with a deodorant?

 

No, and no reasonable person would expect angels to rain from the heavens when they use deodorant. Your "fact" is absurd and clearly facetious.

[ThreeF]

No, and no reasonable person would expect angels to rain from the heavens when they use deodorant. Your "fact" is absurd and clearly facetious.

Let me guess you are in college or thereabout?

 

Of course nobody in their right mind expects, not in the sense you mean it anyway, but that's not how marketing works on psychological level. How about on a more realistic level of shiny hair and white teeth that never happen?

[SofaJockey]

Inquisition was advertised (post-alpha and more than once) as having deeper keep customization than what was delivered. If this level of customization influenced the purchasing behavior of a customer, I'd say it constitutes at least an investigation into what happened.

 

I think our differing views revolve around possibility and probability.

If the OP had set their heart on a boat burning, village saving RPG and had seen no other marketing

then they might justifiably want a refund.

 

But that is affected by reasonableness.

 

No, and no reasonable person would expect angels to rain from the heavens when they use deodorant. Your "fact" is absurd and clearly facetious.

 

I was planning on using that deodorant, I had high hopes...

 

[ThreeF]

I was planning on using that deodorant, I had high hopes...

yeah no raining angels today, unfortunately.

[Dreamer]

Let me guess you are in college or thereabout?

 

Of course nobody in their right mind expects, not in the sense you mean it anyway, but that's not how marketing works on psychological level.

 

Relevance? Let me guess... setting up some ad homenim?

 

I think our differing views revolve around possibility and probability.

If the OP had set their heart on a board burning village saving RPG and had seen no other marketing

then they might justifiably want a refund.

 

But that is affected by reasonableness.

 

 

I was planning on using that deodorant, I had high hopes...

 

 

The FTC establishes policies regulating deception. I'd post them here, but I think overly-legal discussions tend to be closed. If you're interested in how all of that might work in a hypothetical investigation, the policy is easily Googled. Of relevance might be establishing if an omission was made and if the Commission could conclude that reasonable consumers might be misled. It's interesting to note that it seems like consumers don't actually have to have been misled--only that it was possible for them to have been so.

 

Those deodorants stink, by the way.

[ThreeF]

Relevance? Let me guess... setting up some ad homenim?

Relevance is your use of the term "ad homenim" (that is actually "ad hominem" but never mind that, no biggy) and your assumption that I'm actually doing it, which usually happens to people that just discover the term and this usually first happens in college.

 

edit: and besides all that, do you really not  see why I used such an extreme example? or are you just prone to cat-fights?

[Lebanese Dude]

I love marketing topics.

[Dreamer]

I love marketing topics.

 

They can be enjoyable, yes.

[Lebanese Dude]

Reductio ad absurdum

I read this in drunk Fenris's voice. Your avatar didn't help.

[Dreamer]

I read this in drunk Fenris's voice. Your avatar didn't help.

 

Everything is better in drunk Fenris voice. Welcome to the Dark Side.

[AlanC9]

The FTC establishes policies regulating deception. I'd post them here, but I think overly-legal discussions tend to be closed. If you're interested in how all of that might work in a hypothetical investigation, the policy is easily Googled. Of relevance might be establishing if an omission was made and if the Commission could conclude that reasonable consumers might be misled. It's interesting to note that it seems like consumers don't actually have to have been misled--only that it was possible for them to have been so.

If anyone here really thinks that such a complaint would get anywhere, I guess he'd better call up the FTC and give it a shot. I'd run it by katokires, but I'm pretty sure he isn't a citizen. Though what we really need is a Canadian.

[SofaJockey]

If anyone here really thinks that such a complaint would get anywhere, I guess he'd better call up the FTC and give it a shot. I'd run it by katokires, but I'm pretty sure he isn't a citizen. Though what we really need is a Canadian.

 

I think if anyone here thinks such a complaint would get anywhere,

they would need to be madder than a box of frogs, but this is BSN.

 

I'd recommend getting off this vein of conversation right now if you want this thread to live...

[Nimlowyn]

I read this in drunk Fenris's voice. Your avatar didn't help.

LMAO.

[Eelectrica]

I think if anyone here thinks such a complaint would get anywhere,

they would need to be madder than a box of frogs, but this is BSN.

 

I'd recommend getting off this vein of conversation right now if you want this thread to live...

Or a few well placed renegade interrupts... I mean not sure what else their to say on the topic that hasn't been said.

[AdamJames]

We're missing the salient fact that BioWare never officially released the video footage from that PAX demo. The video we saw was cell phone footage, recorded by an attendee. They never officially made much of the stuff they hyped during that demo part of their marketing campaign. Probably because they understood that there was a chance some of the features they were previewing might not make the cut, once everything was said and done. Yeah, I'm a bit miffed that some of the stuff (like the more dynamic events in Crestwood, or destruction as a core part of gameplay) never made it into the finished game. But I also don't think it fair to blame their marketing effort for promoting the game dishonestly, at least not in this particular case. PAX aside, I think it's fair to give them credit for being cautious and conservative and not hyping features when they couldn't be sure those features would make it to release.

[iTofu]

I have been saying this all along.  The game that I actually bought is nothing like the game that Bioware's hype department sold to me, and that is one of the reasons I feel totally ripped off.

 

http://www.kotaku.co...-different-game

 

It's a clever game that they play, and advertising is now high tech.  You can be sold something that you don't want, need or like, with relative ease. They can dress up rabbit droppings and convince you it's worth remortgaging for.

What ever happened to trust, truth and exactly as described?

 

Ummm... Duh... Why do you think Bioware pushed the release date back? They needed that time to remove all the features you were interested in. Now Bioware is re-adding the features you're interested in as DLCs and heralding it as new fan requested features and thus managing to pry another handful of your precise hard earned dollars to line their corporate pockets with. 

 

I think you're going to make even nastier threads when you realize that Bioware patched the purchase/dupe exploits before the gameplay glitches because Bioware will be setting up a market in Skyhold where you can use your real life money to buy gold, then you can use that gold to purchase the influence, horses and crafting materials in the new Black Emporium that were previously infinitely available via exploits. 

 

I think you'll come around though, because once these changes are made and everything is finally patched, Dragon Age Inquisition will be the greatest game to ever exist... You'll find yourself unable to fight the urge buy the DLCs. Once in the game you'll be burning enemy boats, saving keeps and killing reapers with the occasional deposit from your bank account to get a bag full of gold for that Volcanic Aurum you need for...

 

 *jokes* 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

It's been three months to the day i've bought this game and it's still not finished, patched, or fixed. 

 

I to would like to know where I can get my 70 dollars back. 

[Dio Demon]

It's been three months to the day i've bought this game and it's still not finished, patched, or fixed. 

 

I to would like to know where I can get my 70 dollars back. 

Are you able to play the game? Y/N

 

By able to play the game I mean are you able to get it started, if yes. Then go to the person you bought it from, but it's been 3 months I highly doubt you'll get a refund this late.

[SofaJockey]

For much of my gaming life, game advertising has been cinematics that were 'not actual gameplay'

(and much of that time was from before the days when that disclaimer was even listed).

 

For a game with 

• a solid accurate 30 minute gameplay demo in the Hinterlands/Redcliffe Castle - (excluding the Leliana tease for plot reasons)
• trailers using the actual gameplay engine
• early review copies sent to reviewers so they could play the game
• a generous pre-launch review embargo drop.

I think there are trivial grounds for complaint.

 

The only remaining issue is whether the game was technically fit for purpose.

 

I really do feel for those whose experience is severely sub-optimal (particularly on PC and last gen)

but I remain of the view from all I have seen that those experiences are in the minority

and that each successive patch addresses large sections of those remaining dissatisfied.

 

If there are players after that remaining dissatisfied about combat mechanics or graphical fidelity

on last gen, than that hardly seems a matter of marketing let alone one of misrepresentation.

 

Which brings me to disappointment.

 

Dragon Age has evolved over its three games, there are many differences between the three instalments.

 

Whilst very many people were perfectly happy, if not delighted (I'm one of those) I can understand that some

(particularly the most invested with specific RPG expectations) may have started a journey that changed disappointingly for them,

and then it is tempting to look for the fault in marketing that led them to be disappointed.

 

Though if you're looking for a disappointing game, I would suggest DAI pales against other 2014 candidates:

 

[Lebanese Dude]

*snip*

 

Though if you're looking for a disappointing game, I would suggest DAI pales against other 2014 candidates:

 

 

Oh my lol