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[Nohvarr]

Because we have lived here for so long we don't know where else to go.

......you're kidding right?

[AlanC9]

Having played a number of MMOs over the last decade, I can say that none of the Dragon Age games have abilities set up in a manner that really reflects them.

Isn't Threat a straight-up MMO concept?

[Lebanese Dude]

Isn't Threat a straight-up MMO concept?

 

DA is a party-based game so that's a necessary mechanic, especially considering the setting.

 

[In Exile]

Isn't Threat a straight-up MMO concept?

I think BG had a similar kind of proto-mechanic in AI target selection. Threat management I think is the MMO design. But anyway DAO was absolutely influenced by the MMOs of the day (esp. WOW).

[Lebanese Dude]

I think BG had a similar kind of proto-mechanic in AI target selection. Threat management I think is the MMO design. But anyway DAO was absolutely influenced by the MMOs of the day (esp. WOW).

 

If it's not direct threat abilities, it's armor type or class prioritization. The concept of "threat" is the only thing that keeps combat organized.

 

Otherwise you have AI drones that only function in FFA games like Counterstrike when it comes to multi-character games (including MP).

[Rasande]

What I  don't understand is why people stick around if they genuinely feel so ripped off/let down. If the game is without merit why are you here? This is a genuine question btw, not just me being salty.

 

I'll tell you why, beacuse they haven't learnt that it's a company that's trying to sell a product and buy into the hype they create, or even worse hype it up even more in their head, creating an idea of a game that will never be more than just that, an idea.

Their lives lack any substance and get brutally dissapointed when reality dosen't live up to their fantasy, so they try to fill the void that the game was suposedto by hanging around forums whining endlessly about a game they hate instead of moving on and focusing on things they acually enjoy like a sane person would.

 

Sorry to be harsh but jesus ****** christ. If you bought the game and didn't like it, fine, DA:I isn't perfect and isn't for everyone, go on the forums and express your opinion. But to hang around for months on end doing nothing but complain about it... it's just sad.

 

It's just a VIDEOGAME for crying out loud! Just move on...

[Giantdeathrobot]

I will be blunt, sorry, but I have little sympathy for anyone who pre-orders without making extensive research first.

 

I'm with Totalbiscuit on this- if you pre-order, you're taking a big risk, and unless the developper misled everyone from beginning to end (which did not happen for Inquisition), you have only yourself to blame. Pre-ordering is a Bad Thingtm. You should not pre-order unless you are assuredly, certainly, completely, 100% dead-on positive that you will love the game based on all the released marketing, and perhaps reviews made by sources you trust if they were released before D-day. In any other circumstance, wait. Until people learn that pre-order is a tool to be use very, very sparingly and act on it, I will shed few tears for people who jump into a canyon expecting there to be a pool at the bottom.

[aaarcher86]

Really, the biggest lesson Devs learned from DAI is to never show anything but official trailers and interviews. Apparently people can't grasp anything else.

Shame really.

[In Exile]

I will be blunt, sorry, but I have little sympathy for anyone who pre-orders without making extensive research first.

 

I'm with Totalbiscuit on this- if you pre-order, you're taking a big risk, and unless the developper misled everyone from beginning to end (which did not happen for Inquisition), you have only yourself to blame. Pre-ordering is a Bad Thingtm. You should not pre-order unless you are assuredly, certainly, completely, 100% dead-on positive that you will love the game based on all the released marketing, and perhaps reviews made by sources you trust if they were released before D-day. In any other circumstance, wait. Until people learn that pre-order is a tool to be use very, very sparingly and act on it, I will shed few tears for people who jump into a canyon expecting there to be a pool at the bottom.

 

I'm with you on that one. For example, I've pre-ordered every Bioware game besides SW TOR and that Sonic game post-KoTOR I. This is because I've always loved the style of gameplay of Bioware, but their branching out in weird directions has always been enough to discourage me. While I later tried TOR, I would never have adopted it prior to seeing what it looked like on release. 

[Hazegurl]

I have been saying this all along.  The game that I actually bought is nothing like the game that Bioware's hype department sold to me, and that is one of the reasons I feel totally ripped off.

 

http://www.kotaku.co...-different-game

It sucks that the pre Alpha is better than we got.  I remember how everyone was debating on whether they would save their Keep or the Village, then BW announced that you can save both, then the debates arose about that.  A part of me wonders if they just decided to scrap the matter because of that moreso than lack of time. Oh well.

[Realmzmaster]

Pre alpha, aplha and beta versions are like drafts of a book., subject to change. If people base their buying decisions on early snapshots or videos of a game I can only say Caveat Emptor. 

[Nefla]

I'll tell you why, beacuse they haven't learnt that it's a company that's trying to sell a product and buy into the hype they create, or even worse hype it up even more in their head, creating an idea of a game that will never be more than just that, an idea.

Their lives lack any substance and get brutally dissapointed when reality dosen't live up to their fantasy, so they try to fill the void that the game was suposedto by hanging around forums whining endlessly about a game they hate instead of moving on and focusing on things they acually enjoy like a sane person would.

 

Sorry to be harsh but jesus ****** christ. If you bought the game and didn't like it, fine, DA:I isn't perfect and isn't for everyone, go on the forums and express your opinion. But to hang around for months on end doing nothing but complain about it... it's just sad.

 

It's just a VIDEOGAME for crying out loud! Just move on...

Why do you care so much about what people whine about on the internet? It's just a message board, click the back button

[DragonAgeLegend]

wah wah wah QQing because a pre alpha build is not the game you bought? 
 
I have to assume one of two things...
 
1) Troll
or
2) Ignorant
 
I not sure it's a companies responsibility to make sure you understand what you are buying when they provided ample game footage, game reviewers access to teh game a month before launch and lifted the media blackout on the game over a week before launch. i could see some argument if the trailers showed no actual game play footage or there was a media blackout for reviews until the game launched but there wasn't. And this idea I trusted Bioware boo hoo crap. Bioware was 100% up front about their product, they continuously said subject to change on all their early reveals and they showed for months game footage in the three months before it was released. So how exactly did you not know that game had changed?
 
sniff sniff i think I found either a troll or a fool.

There are other ways to making a point without being degrading toward anyone. Reported.

[Isaidlunch]

*cough*

 

[pdusen]

I have been saying this all along. The game that I actually bought is nothing like the game that Bioware's hype department sold to me, and that is one of the reasons I feel totally ripped off.

I suppose your feelings would be logical, if one only ever saw that one PAX demo and then went on to ignore all of the actual advertising for the game, including what was shown at E3.

I also have a serious problem with what that author considers to be a "totally different game." Crusader Kings is a totally different game. What was shown in that presentation was a game that was clearly related to the one we ended up getting, with many months of iteration in the interim.

[Greetsme]

If what I take delivery for, is not what was described, then of course I will complain.  I'm sorry but I cannot follow the flock nor eats it's droppings when it come's to being deliberately misinformed.

 

It take's no genius to see the hype was deceptive, and as early video's show, PC owners were directly lied too.  I have as yet to see evidence that Bioware, at any time up until release, relinquished this lie.

[AlanC9]

DA is a party-based game so that's a necessary mechanic, especially considering the setting.

Necessary? You sure? Earlier Bio games got along without Threat.

I'm not saying it's a bad system, though. The MMO guys cooked it up for a reason. You certainly don't want a sane AI on the enemies, or they'd all just ignore everybody and go after the mages. Players could exploit that, of course, and then battles would just end up looking weird.,=

[AlanC9]

It take's no genius to see the hype was deceptive, and as early video's show, PC owners were directly lied too.  I have as yet to see evidence that Bioware, at any time up until release, relinquished this lie.

Remind me again; what video did Bio actually release that was deceptive?

[Greetsme]

Remind me again; what video did Bio actually release that was deceptive?

I have checked in the mirror, and I cannot see anywhere the word 'SLAVE' written.  You will just have to do your own research and archive hunting I'm afraid.

[Elhanan]

Remind me again; what video did Bio actually release that was deceptive?

I think it may have been one of the fan made vids made prior to actual Bioware released footage. Had no idea of such at the time, but was enjoyable considering if was not from a release state rendition of the game.

Guess they were correct; it does not take a genius to see deception in the hype....

[Dio Demon]

I have checked in the mirror, and I cannot see anywhere the word 'SLAVE' written.  You will just have to do your own research and archive hunting I'm afraid.

Translation: I have no evidence and I just want to cry and winge.

[Greetsme]

Translation: I have no evidence and I just want to cry and winge.

Or maybe I can recognize troll bait when I see it.  

Maybe you are new and missed it when all the evidence was posted and discussed, that is hardly my fault.

[Dio Demon]

Or maybe I can recognize troll bait when I see it.  

Maybe you are new and missed it when all the evidence was posted and discussed, that is hardly my fault.

I pay attention. Made by PC gamers for PC gamers is extremely vague to legally define. Firstly we have to define what is a game for PC gamers. Is it custom UI? Keyboard and Mouse setup? A options menu? We have no universal definition so to attempt to prove that BioWare intentionally misled you would be extremely difficult.

 

Also alpha/pre-alpha/beta stuff is not clearly defined as whether it should be taken as not actual final gameplay footage. A-CM clearly lied and it was an obvious bait and switch. DA:I is not a bait and switch, it just didn't meet up with your expectations.

 

So...

Spoiler

[Majestic Jazz]

*cough*

+1

[Nefla]

*cough*

 

What are they talking about "we couldn't have quadrupeds before" Mabari? Bears? Archdemon/high dragons? Halla? Drakes? Wolves? wut?(There's gotta be bonus points for spiders and broodmothers too.)