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#126
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Yeah with all due forum respect, you don't come here to debate. You treat this forum as a personal blog with guaranteed views. In fact you openly mock anyone who remotely attempts to form a dialogue regarding your posts with an incredibly obnoxious attitude.  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

Still you're correct that you have the right to post here with your own time, but given that it's been two months and your thoroughly negative opinion clearly hasn't changed, perhaps you should move on to something you enjoy.

haha if it isnt the pot calling the kettle black. Its true i mock people, but you are far from innocent in that regard and hardly in a position to be calling anyone out on it. A personal blog, coming from you, miss thing?  :lol:  Many threads are littered with nothing but flamboyant and obnoxious theatrics from you, with haughty responses.  ive almost entirely responded to other topics, only created 2 of my own, with only one that would be considered blog-ish, one that youve littered with dramatic insults and harrasment against several people, mind you, and ive only written short snippets of "personal" things about myself about 2-3 times. 


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#127
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oh get over yourself, most people understand its a company trying to sell a product. Bw has flat out lied about the game in a way that most devs rarely do, however. You have to be pretty brazen to make an entire video detailing just how optimized the game is for the pc when its anything but, infact its so incredibly far from the truth im suprised they were even able to keep a straight face as they were saying it. :lol: BW attempts at selling the game in their design, have been a failure considering the lack of cohesion and the many frustrating elements within it,  it boggles the mind as to why they would riddle it with pointless and irritating crap. Its filled with frustrating mechanics and poor design choices coupled with shallow features attempting to streamline and simplify it, which is a very bizarre and nonsensical combination. On the one hand there is frustrating concepts like the lack of autoloot, shitty loot animations that take ages, having to click several times to pick something up, laborious resource gathering, no storage, lame and frustrating search mechanic, inventory etc etc, but then youve got the attempts at streamlining for mass appeal by removing the ability to allocate stats and getting rid of all the tactics and complicated abilities, with only only a small selection of both.
 
You are making it sound as though posting on a forum is an incredibly taxing and time-consuming effort. People come to forums to share their thoughts, which might takes up to maybe 10 mins or so, how they choose to allocate it, is their own business. Many people spend more time on facebook updating crap about their lives nobody cares about, which is even more pointless imo. Atleast on a forum you get a response, and sometimes the debate can be fun, relaxing even. Obviously most of us dont give a rats behind what anyone posts here but atleast we get heated enough to write a response  :lol: If all you want is to listen to people agreeing with your own stance why are you on a forum, Whats the point? they are there for debates afterall  :rolleyes: Why do you insist on clicking on topics you dont like, telling people to stop making them, when you can just as easily ignore them?


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haha if it isnt the pot calling the kettle black. Its true i mock people, but you are far from innocent in that regard and hardly in a position to be calling anyone out on it. A personal blog, coming from you, miss thing?  :lol:  Many threads are littered with nothing but flamboyant and obnoxious theatrics from you, with haughty responses.  ive almost entirely responded to other topics, only created 2 of my own, with only one that would be considered blog-ish, one that youve littered with dramatic insults and harrasment against several people, mind you, and ive only written short snippets of "personal" things about myself about 2-3 times. 

 

Oh please don't compare me to you. I can't stand irrational arguments and insane hyperboles that you employ but of course you would confuse that with defending BioWare. 

 

Unlike you I'm fully capable of holding a conversation with people who have a different opinion than mine and have reached compromises many times over. When have you once admitted you were wrong?

 

Yeah I thought so.

 

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Alpha/beta should not be allowed as an excuse

If i lied to my customers and said well that there dog is the same as the one in the picture (but really was a dog with a terminal disease that will die in a month) but we are still training him so he may not be what he seems 

 

I would lose my job!


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#130
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Alpha/beta should not be allowed as an excuse

If i lied to my customers and said well that there dog is the same as the one in the picture (but really was a dog with a terminal disease that will die in a month) but we are still training him so he may not be what he seems 

 

Boy pls...

 

This is software...it's going to undergo changes throughout the development process and will continue to do so post-release.

 

The alternative is not releasing any information at all... would you want that?



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Alpha/beta should not be allowed as an excuse
If i lied to my customers and said well that there dog is the same as the one in the picture (but really was a dog with a terminal disease that will die in a month) but we are still training him so he may not be what he seems 
 
I would lose my job!


Lol are you for real?

Alpha footage means 'subject to change, this is how we want the game to be if we have all the time in the world, all the budget we need, nothing takes longer than we expect it to and we make everything perfect in one single go'. And everybody with a sane mind will know that that's never going to happen. Everything takes longer than planned, almost nothing works in a single go, they are on limited time and a limited budget.

And this footage was leaked by a journalist, it was not for the public.

And your dog analogy is.. ugh, cringy. Because they are not showing you what they are going to sell, they are showing you what they are intending to make. That is what alpha footage is. It's not a trailer, it's not a commercial or an ad, it's simply a showcase of what they are working on.
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#132
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*snip*

I am out of likes. Have a +1.



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Alpha/beta should not be allowed as an excuse

If i lied to my customers and said well that there dog is the same as the one in the picture (but really was a dog with a terminal disease that will die in a month) but we are still training him so he may not be what he seems 

 

I would lose my job!

So wait... Is the terminal diseased dog the alpha gameplay, the beta gameplay or the finished game? Because I'm trying to figure out what you're saying here, but I can't. It's not like the alpha state of the game died, or was thrown entirely out. :huh:

 

If we're comparing alpha/beta gameplay to dogs it'd be more alike if the customer wants to buy a puppy that's not yet born, and you showed off pictures of its parents saying that it'd probably look somewhat like this and have pretty much the same functionality. But you can't promise that the dog has spots. Or that it is as playful as its parents.


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#134
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*snip perfect analogy*

 

Jesus BioWare increase the like limit. +1 to you!


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Oh please don't compare me to you. I can't stand irrational arguments and insane hyperboles that you employ but of course you would confuse that with defending BioWare. 

 

Unlike you I'm fully capable of holding a conversation with people who have a different opinion than mine and have reached compromises many times over. When have you once admitted you were wrong?

 

Yeah I thought so.

 

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You cant stand irrational arguments and hyperbole? thats why you kept aggressively defending DAI even though you hadnt even played the game at the time, with hyperbolic insults, nonsense and insulting pictures. You respond to things you disagree with by calling people "hyperbolic" and "irrational", oh and by insisting its  "conjecture". Perhaps you should expand your vocabulary next time you try to come of as academic and intellectual.  I wouldnt dream of comparing myself to somebody who has the self-knowledge of a wet rag. Im hardly perfect and have mentioned my numerous flaws, something ive never seen coming from you, so please. Every single thing you accuse other people off is just as applicable to your own posts, and your lack of ability to see that is absolutely staggering.  i have admitted several times that i was wrong, that ive been too harsh, bitchy and presumptuous, and that ive been wrong about things in regards to certain aspects of companions personal quests for example.


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Jesus BioWare increase the like limit. +1 to you!

What is even the like limit on the forums? I think I'm way too stingy with mine! :lol:



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 thats why you kept aggressively defending DAI even though you hadnt even played the game at the time,

Yeah you made that assumption. I don't know where you got the idea that I didn't play DAI. I hadn't finished my current playthrough because I have class and a job so I stuck to the no spoiler section but I knew enough to contribute to the discussion. This is an example of how you use assumptions to make a point, while using ad hominem arguments to discredit other people rather than debating the topic itself.

Except for:

 

 i have admitted several times that i was wrong, that ive been too harsh, bitchy and presumptuous, and that ive been wrong about things in regards to certain aspects of companions personal quests for example.

 

Well that admission is commendable.  Keep it up and, if you care, hopefully we can have a decent conversation that doesn't involve insults and obnoxious image usage. I know I can be a little aggressive sometimes, hence the 6 warning points.



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Yeah you made that assumption. I don't know where you got the idea that I didn't play DAI. I hadn't finished my current playthrough because I have class and a job so I stuck to the no spoiler section but I knew enough to contribute to the discussion.

 

 

Well that's commendable.  Keep it up and, if you care, hopefully we can have a decent conversation that doesn't involve insults.

hah, well that's a surprising response. alright, Im laying down my arms- and its true, i need to get better at responding with level-headed posts.


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#139
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What is even the like limit on the forums? I think I'm way too stingy with mine! :lol:

 

A lot of funny posts nowadays and I approve of good humor. BSN is returning to a state I enjoy, despite the occasional QQ thread.



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Boy pls...

 

This is software...it's going to undergo changes throughout the development process and will continue to do so post-release.

 

The alternative is not releasing any information at all... would you want that?

To be honest, I would've been fine for Bioware to have kept my preorder money for an additional six months before releasing the game to PCs in it's current state. Holiday downtime was spent looking for fixes and raging at my tired rig. It also prompted me to come out of shell and start my own 'blog.' The game wasn't ready for release on PCs. Even the drivers weren't ready until a day after launch and the AMD one I am told to use is in beta. Toggling walk, a very basic and indeed a necessary function to collect shards or loot, wasn't available until Patch 2. Patch 3 broke more than fixed. If the game actually started with point and click, most of the forums would be filled with positive compliments and fan feedback. Either way, I'm not giving up on EAware until EAware gives up on us. 



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To be honest, I would've been fine for Bioware to have kept my preorder money for an additional six months before releasing the game to PCs in it's current state. 

 

Honestly, I think you need to realize the risks that preordering entails. As much as I love BioWare, they aren't known for their flawless releases. Even so, DAI has far fewer issues than DAO and DA2 had on release so credit needs to be given where it's due. 

 

Driver software isn't BioWare's responsibility. You should take that up with Nvidia and AMD. 

 

Also EA may control BioWare's purse strings, but the game you see is made by BioWare through and through. Using EAWare is insulting to the devs.


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... hence the 6 warning points.

 

Oh wow, that's impressive.

I was upset when I got one a few months back... (deserved I might add)



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and almost went broke but who cares about game developers' livelihoods when our entertainment is on the line right?
 
Pls...DAO was successful in the same vein as DAI being successful. People bought both and people liked both.
 
Some here being nostalgically delusional about some divergence in "game quality" always conveniently ignore that DAO was a bug-ridden, memory-leaking, crashing hot mess on ANY platform that took dozens of mods, patches, and DLC  to reach a decent state (memory leak still there though and that breaks immersion more than anything). Not to mention a UI and quest layout that is more like an MMO than anything in DAI.
 
Still I love the game because I took the time to enjoy it for what it was, not for what it could have been.


Exactly there is always room for improvement and there always will be. Like you I like the game but then I like all 3 DA games As far as I can see myself buying Bioware's games for a long time to come if this is the quality they keep putting out. I'm primarily a single player gamer I'm not really interested in multiplayer stuff. I know it's there but it doesn't interest me. In my opinion when it comes to single player games with great stories Bioware have got it nailed. I see this not only in the DA series but in their Mass Effect series too. Which happens to be my favourite game/series at the moment. After playing Inquisition for the first time and seeing what they've done with it. I have to admit it's making me look forward to ME4 even more.
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Oh wow, that's impressive.
I was upset when I got one a few months back... (deserved I might add)


Oh we can get e-peen now from warnings?

Cool cool. Mine are in the double digits :P

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Oh we can get e-peen now from warnings?

Cool cool. Mine are in the double digits :P

 

Oh....well now I feel better. :P

 

I thought you get permabanned if you reach 10 WPs 



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Oh we can get e-peen now from warnings?

 

Hopefully not.

May be a warning offence to talk about warnings, so I will stop.

(darn, just did it again)



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Hopefully not.

May be a warning offence to talk about warnings, so I will stop.

(darn, just did it again)

 

Oh... well...****



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Stats have never been more complicated...

 

You can still pick them via passives and it's not like you didn't pump main stats before...

Unless you're the type to roll a mage then go with strength and constitution for the lols... If you didn't pump your main stat you didn't get Attack and you as a a result you couldn't hit ****. If you didn't pump magic on your mage your damage was pathetic. 

 

At least now we have fun stats such as flank attack bonuses, barrier damage, guard generation, crit damage...etc...

 

And for the first time ever, you can craft gear that is not  class restricted without gimping your character with weird stat picks..

Hell.. you can make a tanky templar armor set for your mage via silverite as you roleplay your KE while still doing hilarious damage...

Could you ever do that in other games... without mods or cheats? 
 

Ugh -_-

That is precisely the point. It is not for the lols, it is for being different. I like to build impractical things, it is my joy in this kind of games, when I played Ragnarok Online, before the renewal when luck was useless except for a forger blacksmith I made a 99luk character which actually became useful so I changed the build. Being useful and strong despite doing exotic build is probably my main concern against this game.

 

Everytime a person brings usefulness to the table when discussing RPGs I have to explain the same thing. I hate good builds. Absolutely. I never make a good build... well until Inquisition where anything I do is good. The same goes for tabletop RPGs too. While my friends did monstruosities of damage (literally) with their alchemists I was hitting 2d6 + 4 per round, sometimes a couple of extra d6.

 

But this you said, this I'm complaining about, is exactly the problem with Inquisition (and a lot other new RPGs) the uniformism. The idea that you want a good character, that works, that makes cool and useful things. In other words, my hell. In previous titles you had the ability to be creative to be different, now you're the same **** as everybody else, you can't screw your character. Good for standard generic person. Good for lazies who just want to have fun. Hell for people like me who are absolutely devoted to creating a character with an interesting story, MINE, not Bioware's.

So I have my builds and my stories. Bioware removed my possibilities to have both and just shoved their builds and their stories down my throat.

 

And are you seriously talking about stats from passives? +3 something? While ONE STUPID HAT can have 18 from a given stat? 6 passives in A HAT. I won't even talk about weapons or armor because ti would become ridiculous.

 

Edit: There is no greater joy than making a exotic build than seeing your character failing. Like having to rest after every encounter in NWN. My friend could'nt stand watching me play for 10 minutes so boring it was. It is my heaven. It is the confirmation that I did not do what I was supposed to. Now in Inquisition even screwing stats AND skills I still was strong. Game is equip based so I craft my equips because I absolutely love crating and end up with a godlike killing machine. This is how bad this game is for creative people. But I'm sure that amoebas interesting in builds that work are very happy with it.



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Oh....well now I feel better. :P
 
I thought you get permabanned if you reach 10 WPs


That would've been a bit unfair, considering they once dumbed 3 or 4 of them on me in a single go, from a single topic.

And I think you get permabanned if you acrrue 'enough' points within a certain amount of time. Mine have been spread out over a rather large amount of time. Except that time they gave me 3 or 4 at once, of course. :P

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This thread will not die it seems.