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[Lord Surinen]

See that is where I will have to disagree. My sister is absolutely disturbed by the stuff in the Witcher. When we got the Witcher 2 for xbox last year she was really excited, as she loves the novels. However, the sexist tone of the game and pure wish fulfillment. What she said to me was that "If any game was made for men who wanted to "put women in their place" it was that series". Personally, I agree with her. The first game had actual sex cards for heaven''s sake! Also, gaming shouldn't just be for straight men. Apart from my sister and aunt and cousins, myy best friend is gay, and she loves Bioware games given that they are the only place she has seen her sexuality without it being fanservice or fetishized.

I adore the Witcher in its current form. I have immensely enjoyed second installation of it. there was no agenda like the one that BioWare serves(I wish to see far less rains in Canada, because the amount of after effect is devastating). It was a delicious treat to the male audience, if it was a cake then I would lick my fingers after its completion yum-yum. I disagree with what you say, in fact I stand for everything that is opposed to it. As the possible biggest monetary contributor I was truly satisfied with CD Projekt creation. I hope for more wenches to gaze upon in W3, not because I'm into that bordello festivities but because it puts grin on my face and it is enough. I don't know how progressive, strong and independent womyn call it, if it is the way you have said then I'm fine with it, I invite it, I embrace it, I live to see it in action. This is what great many men like. We got what we like.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well. If Lord Surinen likes it for -those- reasons, then I really should dislike the games now...

 

Or I'll form my own opinion after playing them. Still haven't finished TW2.

[Mirth]

Exactly this. This is marketing, price war and competition. It's fine at first, but in the end everybody will lose. The companies, the diversity and the customers.
If you were an author and wrote a novel and then people bought it and now they want some more chapters for free because hey, they bought your book, what would you do? Just one simple example and I could list many more.
Most of you have jobs. So if your boss asked you to work for free just because your customers demand it, what would you say?
And no, no EA-Lover, no BW-Fanboy/girl.

Giving stuff away is hardly a new precedent. Even with game companies. It's just good business.
Implying that the majority of customers will start demanding actual content for free, as opposed to fluff, is just hyperbole.
Nor do i not subscribe to the idea that "most consumers" are a bunch of whiney children.

But everyone loves free stuff, and every company in the business of making money should know that. It's just another form of marketing that builds good will. It doesn't create spoiled brats.

[cotheer]

Well, it is important to consider that the free dlc for the witcher really doesn't add mcuh. At most a quest, and as little as a optional alternate costume. Nothing that truly adds to the game imporves. Yet people still get all excited and boastfull about it

The point is, it's free. They easily could've said:"Ohai guys, here's 16 DLCs, 10$ pl0x", but  no.

I swear to God, some people intentionally overlook and disregard this "little" detail.

[Farci Reprimer]

STOP IN THE NAME OF KREVE, FREYA AND MELITELE!!

 

Could we all just shake hands and agree that Bioware and CDProject RED are both equally good companies and both make very engaging single-player RPG experiences?

There are too few good western RPG makers out there nowadays that we should throw **** at them from across the barricades.

[Rawgrim]

STOP IN THE NAME OF KREVE, FREYA AND MELITELE!!

 

Could we all just shake hands and agree that Bioware and CDProject RED are both equally good companies and both make very engaging single-player RPG experiences?

There are too few good western RPG makers out there nowadays that we should throw **** at them from across the barricades.

 

EA. Not Bioware. Big difference.

[DaemionMoadrin]

BioWare lost that title in my eyes. DA:I was a total disappointment and nothing I've seen so far indicates that the next game will be any better.

 

CDPR didn't blow me away either but they were fairly consistent with ... well, everything. I enjoyed TW1 and what I played of TW2, although I don't think I'm going to replay those games often. Or at all.

[Persephone]

EA. Not Bioware. Big difference.

BioWare still exists. CD Project Red answers to a large publisher as well, so let's not do the semantics again, mmmmmkay? BioWare is BioWare and CDPR is CDPR.

[Lord Surinen]

Well. If Lord Surinen likes it for -those- reasons, then I really should dislike the games now...

 

Or I'll form my own opinion after playing them. Still haven't finished TW2.

Don't base your future experiences on my finely refined tastes. TW2 is worth playing, replaying and giggling when you observe how well human nature is presented there. No matter your rank or breeding, TW2 will show you the truth! Naturalism I say!

[Rawgrim]

BioWare lost that title in my eyes. DA:I was a total disappointment and nothing I've seen so far indicates that the next game will be any better.

 

CDPR didn't blow me away either but they were fairly consistent with ... well, everything. I enjoyed TW1 and what I played of TW2, although I don't think I'm going to replay those games often. Or at all.

 

Same here. TW games are good games, but maybe not good rpgs. More heavily story-based action adventure games. I think Pillars of the Eternity will end up being top dog, for a few years.

[Rawgrim]

BioWare still exists. CD Project Red answers to a large publisher as well, so let's not do the semantics again, mmmmmkay? BioWare is BioWare and CDPR is CDPR.

 

It is Bioware in name only. Right now its just a logo that is still in use because of its marketing value. All new people in charge, and they have moved away from the type of games they were famous for.

[jeromefiefdom]

I adore the Witcher in its current form. I have immensely enjoyed second installation of it. there was no agenda like the one that BioWare serves(I wish to see far less rains in Canada, because the amount of after effect is devastating). It was a delicious treat to the male audience, if it was a cake then I would lick my fingers after its completion yum-yum. I disagree with what you say, in fact I stand for everything that is opposed to it. As the possible biggest monetary contributor I was truly satisfied with CD Projekt creation. I hope for more wenches to gaze upon in W3, not because I'm into that bordello festivities but because it puts grin on my face and it is enough. I don't know how progressive, strong and independent womyn call it, if it is the way you have said then I'm fine with it, I invite it, I embrace it, I live to see it in action. This is what great many men like. We got what we like.

 

You should really stop using "we". Im male and I didn't the games for their lackluster gameplay, trite story, and rampant disgusting sexism. Not all males agree with you. In fact, many don't.  I can admire them for their technical prowess and graphical quality and well written antagonists, but I don't find much else to enjoy. Also, yes Bioware has a liberal biased agenda. However, everything game has an agenda. Again, several of my friends love Bioware games as they are the only company that actually wants to support nonstraight male characters (also what does the rain have to do with anything). Bioware has been helping the female and LGBT audiences for over a decade now. Get used to it.

[jeromefiefdom]

Don't base your future experiences on my finely refined tastes. TW2 is worth playing, replaying and giggling when you observe how well human nature is presented there. No matter your rank or breeding, TW2 will show you the truth! Naturalism I say!

 

What does your class or heritage have anything to do with enjoying the gmae. My family is incredibly Polish, which was part of the reason I loved the original books. The game simply show a power fantasy,  nothing more.

[Rawgrim]

What does your class or heritage have anything to do with enjoying the gmae. My family is incredibly Polish, which was part of the reason I loved the original books. The game simply show a power fantasy,  nothing more.

 

As opposed to the power fantasy in DA2? Where you have superpowers from the get go, even if you aren't a mage, and every possible love interest fall at your feet no matter what gender or personality you have?

[Persephone]

I adore the Witcher in its current form. I have immensely enjoyed second installation of it. there was no agenda like the one that BioWare serves(I wish to see far less rains in Canada, because the amount of after effect is devastating). It was a delicious treat to the male audience, if it was a cake then I would lick my fingers after its completion yum-yum. I disagree with what you say, in fact I stand for everything that is opposed to it. As the possible biggest monetary contributor I was truly satisfied with CD Projekt creation. I hope for more wenches to gaze upon in W3, not because I'm into that bordello festivities but because it puts grin on my face and it is enough. I don't know how progressive, strong and independent womyn call it, if it is the way you have said then I'm fine with it, I invite it, I embrace it, I live to see it in action. This is what great many men like. We got what we like.

 

Bolding mine.

 

Part of me still hopes that such an amount of blatant sexism and mind boggling selfishness can only be sarcasm.

 

But I'll say this: You always get what you like, 99.98% of entertainment caters to you while you begrudge us the 0.02% we are sometimes given. You feast and get angry at others living on crumbs, if even that much.

 

This, exactly this kind of entitlement and ignorance (Serious or sarcastic) is what's wrong with CDPR and the audience they target. They're welcome to it though.

 

*Shudders*

[Rawgrim]

I think it is great that EAware makes a good effort at including gamers with different sexualities, though. Great praise for that bit. "Gay stuff" doesn't frighten or offend me in RL, so it will never be a problem for me in a game either. If anything it makes the gameworld feel more real. This is coming from a straight male game. Just for the record.

[Gileadan]

STOP IN THE NAME OF KREVE, FREYA AND MELITELE!!

 

Could we all just shake hands and agree that Bioware and CDProject RED are both equally good companies and both make very engaging single-player RPG experiences?

There are too few good western RPG makers out there nowadays that we should throw **** at them from across the barricades.

Careful. Mind the rock.

[jeromefiefdom]

As opposed to the power fantasy in DA2? Where you have superpowers from the get go, even if you aren't a mage, and every possible love interest fall at your feet no matter what gender or personality you have?

 

Eh more like a nightmare. Your mother dies, your brother dies, your sister dies, your best friend dies, your lover dies, your city burns, and you become a failure. Not much of a power fantasy to me

[Persephone]

As opposed to the power fantasy in DA2? Where you have superpowers from the get go, even if you aren't a mage, and every possible love interest fall at your feet no matter what gender or personality you have?

Are you talking about DAI?

'cause you don't have super powers from the get go in DAII. The mark in DAI qualifies though, I guess. And in DAI not every LI will romance you, no matter what. Faaaaaaaar from it. Geralt's getting far easier action than either Hawke OR Quizzy, it's also a lot less meaningless. (I'm still not over how they handled Ves & Shani)

But I guess four bisexuals hanging out together is too much to handle in DAII? I'm like......what?

[Rawgrim]

Eh more like a nightmare. Your mother dies, your brother dies, your sister dies, your best friend dies, your lover dies, your city burns, and you become a failure. Not much of a power fantasy to me

 

That is called Railroading, for the most part. And it happens to other characters, not you personally.

[Elhanan]

As opposed to the power fantasy in DA2? Where you have superpowers from the get go, even if you aren't a mage, and every possible love interest fall at your feet no matter what gender or personality you have?

Am unaware of any romance in in the DA series that was needed to advance the plot. Bioware certainly has not forced me to examine romantic partners that I did not wish, though some flirtatious misconceptions could appear in the older titles. If one is has an interest in pixelated conquest, I guess they do cater to that, but it is certainly avoidable.

[SnakeCode]

Reading these threads is always a blast. It's painfully obvious who has played these games and who has been fed all of their information about them from reading these boards. I don't think people know what sexism and misogyny means anymore.  BSNers are seeing it everywhere!

 

The only argument for sexism in TW games is the godawful card collection from the first game. Again, just because a game can be in an oppressive world full of racism or sexism doesn't mean that the game is promoting those behaviours or that the devs support it. It's a ridiculous notion.

 

There are plenty of "strong women" characters in the games. That they happen to be attractive shouldn't take away from that. And funnily enough, those who keep bringing up the books should know that there's a lore reason why all of the sorceresses are extremely attractive and use that to their advantage.

[Persephone]

That is called Railroading, for the most part. And it happens to other characters, not you personally.

So if someone's siblings & Mom die & they lose their home twice, that's not a personal tragedy because? As someone who has lost her Mom and a sibling, lemme tell ya, it's real enough and it's bloody personal. What the hell is this even?

[SmilesJA]

As opposed to the power fantasy in DA2? Where you have superpowers from the get go, even if you aren't a mage, and every possible love interest fall at your feet no matter what gender or personality you have?

 

Power fantasy? In the end Hawke lost his home, his title and possibly his whole family.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Am unaware of any romance in in the DA series that was needed to advance the plot. Bioware certainly has not forced me to examine romantic partners that I did not wish, though some flirtatious misconceptions could appear in the older titles. If one is has an interest in pixelated conquest, I guess they do cater to that, but it is certainly avoidable.

 

You don't have to do that in the Witcher, either. It's optional.