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[Isaidlunch]

Horse armor? For free?! CDPR really are the best!

[Reymoose]

Not really, its a part of a price penetration strategy /social stratgy of sorts. The RPG market is hard enough to pentrate as it is, So how does a small polish company get a foothold in this market? By offering 'free dlc' which is for the most part 'unheard of' in the games market. i guarentee u that once they have solidified themselves more in the market, they will start charging for dlc.

 

CDProjeckt has been pretty transparent in their communication, and they've been around since 2002 (2007 really/Witcher) and with GOG I don't think they could be more 'solidified', unless you mean an EA-type monolithic corporation.

 

The 'free dlc' isn't free dlc, they have repeatedly stated it's a statement, that all of it is in the game anyway, but by marking it as 'dlc' and releasing it for free, it's essentially making light of many other publishers habits of cutting up a game pre-release and selling it.

 

I can't find the source at the moment (will edit if I do), but I believe their personal preferences for DLC are:

 

1. Ship complete games. Do not cut up content pre-release, and sell it in bits and pieces, especially story/plot content, or characters.

 

2. If you do DLC, do it honestly. For example, instead of a complete character, add skins for existing characters at a reasonable price. Or add-on content that justifies it's price (they referenced 'Lair of the Shadow Broker' as a perfect example).

 

This is beside their anti-DRM stance in any case, which as a player and consumer, DRM only hurts the consumer. 

[Elhanan]

A bit ironic that some that love this promotion also vocalize their dismay at purchased reviews, scores, and paid Bio-fans.

Good for those getting TW3; wonder if any of those DLC's have a Pause function?

[Rawgrim]

Horse armor? For free?! CDPR really are the best!

 

I will take free horse armour any day of the week, over having to pay for story elements that are already in the game itself. I still remember the prothean DLC in ME3....that one was in the game when it launched. You just paid to unlock it.

[BackdoorPaco]

Then why keep the demo as an EA access exclusive?

 

And no, it is not the same as paying for a product that gives you free games. We are talking about a demo here.

Play the best of EA for $4.99 a month.

EA Access brings you great games for a great price with The Vault, an evolving collection of EA games for Xbox One you can download and play at any time. And that is just the beginning…

It is the same. The trials are just a bonus to the vault (meat and potatoes of the service).

Just like games for gold is a bonus to the xbox live service.

[Rawgrim]

 

Play the best of EA for $4.99 a month.

EA Access brings you great games for a great price with The Vault, an evolving collection of EA games for Xbox One you can download and play at any time. And that is just the beginning…

It is the same. The trials are just a bonus to the vault (meat and potatoes of the service).

Just like games for gold is a bonus to the xbox live service.

 

 

Then why are demos of other EA titles released for free, then?

 

Again. We aren't talking about paying extra to access free games.

 

We are talking about having to pay extra for a DEMO.

[Reymoose]

A bit ironic that some that love this promotion also vocalize their dismay at purchased reviews, scores, and paid Bio-fans.

Good for those getting TW3; wonder if any of those DLC's have a Pause function?

 

Because they aren't the same thing? Good try though.

 

Here's a simple one for you:

 

Releasing 'free dlc' (which isn't what it is, stated several times) to make a statement/support fanbase =/= reviews that omit valid criticism, publishers giving 'swag' to reviewers skewing their reviews, or outright promoting the game pre-release.

[DementedSheep]

I really don't get why people think they are owed anything as gamers. Making games is a game developers job and they are selling a product. If for example someone said to me that they deserve some art for free because they bought a piece off me and I should grateful their a fan I would tell them to ****** off.  Presumably you bought a game because you thought it was worth the price and that's really all that needs to come into it. Is X worth Y and can I afford it?

 

There are certain types of DLC that are scummy, Pay to Win in multiplayer for example especially if you would have bought the game not knowing they were going to do that down the line but most aren't an issue. DLC's are often overpriced for what you get but then you just don't buy it. 

 

Is it nice that they have some stuff for free? yes, although they do it in large part for marketing. CD project push this angle a lot. Do other companies need to do this as well? no.

[Eelectrica]

They're also planning on releasing the world builder a little after launch for user made content.

Really looking forward to Witcher 3.

 

Let's see if BioWare at least release new heads and hair styles in upcoming patches.

 

Hopefully the game is good enough, and sells well enough that BioWare can use it as inspiration for DA4, whilst putting the good old BioWare stamp of party based adventure design. Too much to ask? Time will tell.

[uzivatel]

Content intentionally not included in the main game in order to make people not sell their copies? Free press for giving gamers "free" stuff?
Count me in! Maybe BioWare could release planets in the next ME game on monthly basis.

I doubt they will sink to EA's level and charge money for a demo any time soon.

This is rather ironic seeing EA is on of the few companies to release demos these days.

[papercut_ninja]

Which one of these 16 dlc´s will allow me to create my own protagonist?

 

...oh none...sorry, it´s this again:

 

[friffy]

Is it nice that they have some stuff for free? yes, although they do it in large part for marketing. CD project push this angle a lot. Do other companies need to do this as well? no.

Exactly this. This is marketing, price war and competition. It's fine at first, but in the end everybody will lose. The companies, the diversity and the customers.

If you were an author and wrote a novel and then people bought it and now they want some more chapters for free because hey, they bought your book, what would you do? Just one simple example and I could list many more.

Most of you have jobs. So if your boss asked you to work for free just because your customers demand it, what would you say?

And no, no EA-Lover, no BW-Fanboy/girl.

[Spooky81]

Paying for DLC is definitely a good show of support for helping the studio pull additional profit.  Paid DLC for content such as Story, scenarios, additional weapons and other accessories should be released to the market in support of current and future prospects, especially considering the narrow profit margin as a result of years of development and paying wages the level of skill involved.

 

Granted, there's also a good chance I won't be buying future DLC or any other product released from BioWare in the future.  Would be pinching myself and smacking my head if I had made that statement 5 years ago.

[Fredward]

~head desk~

 

Remove things from the game and sell it as day one/early DLC? People lose their ****. Remove things from the game and 'sell' it for goodwill? People lap it up.

[Wulfram]

Bioware gave us 43 free DLC for DA:O and DA2!

http://social.biowar...da2/dlc_bundle/

OK, it's not quite the same since they dished out the various promotional stuff quite a long while after the games release, which isn't as good as doing it up front.

[KaiserShep]

Now if only they'd let us create a character.

I'm hopeful that Cyberpunk 2077 has this feature.

[Persephone]

Bioware gave us 43 free DLC for DA:O and DA2!

http://social.biowar...da2/dlc_bundle/

OK, it's not quite the same since they dished out the various promotional stuff quite a long while after the games release, which isn't as good as doing it up front.

 

Ouch, no salve will cool that burn. Or bragging about it constantly. Or disguising much needed huge patches to fix their buggy games as "Enhanced" Editions. Or making snide, condescending remarks about their "rival", encouraging fan flamewars.

 

Seriously, what IS the point of baity threads like this? You think BioWare will see them and be shown the light by the company who has produced as many as two games & have a very different target audience?

 

All this does is make me dislike them more and enjoy their games less.

[Serza]

Yeah. Your sixteen free DLCs for The Witcher may be a single weapon each.

 

As stated, BioWare will give all multiplayer DLCs for free. Storyline for singleplayer (admittably, there is a potential for weapon packs and stuff) will be paid.

 

There is nothing to prove that BioWare won't actually give more than CDPR in the end, and likewise, there is no proof that CDPR won't give more than BioWare in the end.

 

This entire thread is moot, so just let me drop this here:

 

[KaiserShep]

I will take free horse armour any day of the week, over having to pay for story elements that are already in the game itself. I still remember the prothean DLC in ME3....that one was in the game when it launched. You just paid to unlock it.

 

It was my understanding that if you got around this on PC, Javik just appeared on the ship, but the content was incomplete as the actual mission to obtain him wasn't there.

 

Anyway, this all seems a bit unfair. 16 free DLC sounds great, but I'd like to know what these bonuses actually entail? Are they story add-ons or just weapons or what? For all the flack EA/BioWare might get for the prices of their DLC's, they're generally a great deal more substantial than just weapons and armor or something.

[Cheylus]

(Free) enhanced editions for TW1 and 2 impressed me much more than free cosmetic DLCs.

 

Actually I'm more impressed by the price of the game itself. I got a discount to pre-order TW3 on Gog.com because I had the two previous games. The digital game costs me 43,79€. For this price I have:

- No DRM

- Fair price (they acknowledged some countries have to pay more than other and I have a discount to buy another game on Gog for the difference of price - in my case I got 6€ to spend on GOG)

- a copy of Neverwinter Nights

- a comic book

- another interactive comic book

- the OST of the game (4 titles to download immediately)

- paper toys

- artbook (200 pages)

- a making of

- a map of the game

- I also had beta access to "The Witcher Adventure Game" (a board game)

- and the list is growing sometimes with new stuff

 

On top of that I would add:

- MODS support on PC

- Free DLCs

- TW1 and 2 are often available for 1,59€.

 

For the "Deluxe edition" of DA:I I had to pay 69,99€.

- the game has DRM...

- DLC "weapons of the Inquisition"

- DLC "Inquisition armor"

- Horse armor

- Chests for multiplayer

- Incomplete OST (tavern songs aren't there)

- A throne

- two mounts

All of that for 10€. TEN EUROS. It should be standard stuff to put in a game.

 

And no artbook. For nearly 30€ more than TW3.

 

I won't even begin with the Collector edition of DA:I and TW3. The level of quality of DA:I collector edition is embarrassing.

 

Though I would say that DA:I marketing was way better than DA2's or ME3's regarding DLC/exclusives/incentives.

(and the Keep was awesome)

[Rawgrim]

It was my understanding that if you got around this on PC, Javik just appeared on the ship, but the content was incomplete as the actual mission to obtain him wasn't there.

 

Anyway, this all seems a bit unfair. 16 free DLC sounds great, but I'd like to know what these bonuses actually entail? Are they story add-ons or just weapons or what? For all the flack EA/BioWare might get for the prices of their DLC's, they're generally a great deal more substantial than just weapons and armor or something.

 

No clue what those 16 DLCs will be. I am sure at least half of them will be small stuff.

 

It still beats charging money for a demo, though.

[Rawgrim]

(Free) enhanced editions for TW1 and 2 impressed me much more than free cosmetic DLCs.

 

Actually I'm more impressed by the price of the game itself. I got a discount to pre-order TW3 on Gog.com because I had the two previous games. The digital game costs me 43,79€. For this price I have:

- No DRM

- Fair price (they acknowledged some countries have to pay more than other and I have a discount to buy another game on Gog for the difference of price - in my case I got 6€ to spend on GOG)

- a copy of Neverwinter Nights

- a comic book

- another interactive comic book

- the OST of the game (4 titles to download immediately)

- paper toys

- artbook (200 pages)

- a making of

- a map of the game

- I also had beta access to "The Witcher Adventure Game" (a board game)

- and the list is growing sometimes with new stuff

 

On top of that I would add:

- MODS support on PC

- Free DLCs

- TW1 and 2 are often available for 1,59€.

 

For the "Deluxe edition" of DA:I I had to pay 69,99€.

- the game has DRM...

- DLC "weapons of the Inquisition"

- DLC "Inquisition armor"

- Horse armor

- Chests for multiplayer

- Incomplete OST (tavern songs aren't there)

- A throne

- two mounts

All of that for 10€. TEN EUROS. It should be standard stuff to put in a game.

 

And no artbook. For nearly 30€ more than TW3.

 

I won't even begin with the Collector edition of DA:I and TW3. The level of quality of DA:I collector edition is embarrassing.

 

Though I would say that DA:I marketing was way better than DA2's or ME3's regarding DLC/exclusives/incentives.

(and the Keep was awesome)

 

You just owned this thread.

[Lord Surinen]

Horse armor? For free?! CDPR really are the best!

Even if they add different kind of jacket then it will be more than what BioWare did. It is not difficult to beat 'nothing'. DA:I armour variety is poor and BioWare can add multiplayer armours to singleplayer to enhance the numbers, they can also make Tevinter themed armours available but noooope it is better to tease people with fancy looking gear and leave them with scraps that you can't even colour the way you want (whoever thought that making stats-colours tied is a sadist).

[GreyWarden_Smith]

Bioware actually have a good record on DLC in my opinion (not perfect but far from the worst). I think CD Projekt Red are making point against companies that releases tons of content when games release that cost a few £'s each but were taken out off game for the purpose of selling that content like weapons, skins etc. for additional revenue (which whether wrong or right is up to the consumer)

 

16 DLCs are going to be small details added to game that developers have been working after the game content was complete and they moved to bug-freeing the game. they are hairstyle sets, alternative looks (for NPCs like Yennefer) , contracts and armour sets which will stay free regardless of when you buy the game so aren't pre-order bonuses either.

 

CD Projekt Red also reward gamers who own their previous titles by giving an extra 5% discount on the The Witcher 3 with each previous Witcher game you own on GOG.com or steam.

 

So if it is a market ploy by them, its a good one because I am falling for it and have pre-ordered the game (£36.49 on GOG) & all the additional content mentioned before so it sounds like a good deal to me and previews on-line are only cementing my decision to be the correct one.

[Gileadan]

Bioware actually have a good record on DLC in my opinion (not perfect but far from the worst). I think CD Projekt Red are making point against companies that releases tons of content when games release that cost a few £'s each but were taken out off game for the purpose of selling that content like weapons, skins etc. for additional revenue (which whether wrong or right is up to the consumer)

 

16 DLCs are going to be small details added to game that developers have been working after the game content was complete and they moved to bug-freeing the game. they are hairstyle sets, alternative looks, contracts and armour sets which will stay free regardless of when you buy the game so aren't pre-order bonuses either.

 

CD Projekt Red also reward gamers who own their previous titles by giving an extra 5% discount on the The Witcher 3 with each previous Witcher game you own on GOG.com or steam.

 

So if it is a market ploy by them, its a good one because I am falling for it and have pre-ordered the game (£36.49 on GOG) & all the additional content mentioned before so it sounds like a good deal to me and previews on-line are only cementing my decision to be the correct one.

A voice of reason. How did you get here? Took a wrong turn somewhere?