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[themikefest]

Have you thought that they won't stand a chance against Shepard? Dude just took down a Reaper. On foot. And there is that geth standing right next to him. Look at what happened to Legion

If I were to write them acting I'd have Raan/Tali point a gun at Legion and give player an option to shoot them down via Renegade interrupt. 

If the requirements for peace are met, Shepard would be able to have Tali hold off. Of course for that to happen, Tali and Legion have to be in the game.

 

If Shepard chooses the geth, Tali/Raan make a run at the gethvi/Legion to push it over the edge, which prompts a renegade interrupt to have Shepard shoot Tali/Raan in the leg. If the interrupt is ignored, the gethvi/Legion is destroyed when pushed over the edge. The Quarians wipout the geth and survive. Tali/Raan have some harsh words with Shepard, but still lend aid to building the Crucible and help retake Earth. For an added touch, if the player is romancing Tali it will end the relationship

 

If Shepard does shoot Tali/Raan in the leg wounding them, the upload is completed, the geth wipeout the Quarians. As the Quarians fleets fall out of the sky, Raan/Tali try to aim their weapon at Shepard only to be shot and killed by the other squadmate or if its just Raan, it would be one of the 2 squadmates

 

The scene plays out the same when picking the Quarians

[o Ventus]

The geth got rewritten into completely innocent pinnochios who don't even superficially resemble their ME1 and 2 counterparts philosophically, and all the quarians save Tali and Koris  become bumbling one dimensional villians (or rather, the writers make every attempt to portray them that way)

All of this in a nutshell.

[Vazgen]

So it better to not even try at all and then kill youself afterwards anyway? That is downright stupid. They have nothing to loose anymore at this point.

Attack Legion and fail-> you die and your species dies afterwards.

Attack Legion and actually manage to damage him enough to stop him-> You might still die because Shepard kills you afterwards but your Species will win and defeat the geth.

Do nothing and kill youself afterwards-> Your people and you die for certain.

 

So which one are you gonna choose the "Attack Legion" option ot the "Do nothing and kill yourself afterwards" option?

Nothing to lose? How about their life? 

"Kill yourself afterwards" is an impulsive action. They kill themselves because of the shock of seeing their race destroyed. They don't know what will they feel in the next moment.

Tali does try to stop the upload as I recall. Only with words though. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing that was really crazy about the whole thing was that the Quarians never stood a chance in the Morning War. Killing the Geth Platforms was useless. Geth are software not hardware. If killing the hardware was going to help, the Quarians probably would have won the Morning War. The only thing I can think of is that the Geth runtimes kept getting uploaded into the Geth servers when a platform was destroyed. From the servers they were able to pretty much shut down the Quarian infrastructure. From there, it was a slaughter. The quarians couldn't win without nuking their entire civilization, and I would imagine that the Geth servers were protected against nuclear attack. Once it started, the Geth decided that the Quarians had to be eliminated. They had control of everything, and it was all but over.

 

Neither Tali nor Raan try to stop Legion or Geth VI from uploading the code because that would take the decision out of the hands of the player. Mass Effect was a power trip for the player. In reality, with the survival of their race on the line they would have killed the thing. They wouldn't have begged Shepard to stop it.

 

Shepard decided the fate of the Rachni. Shepard decided the fate of the Council and 10,000 Asari. Shepard controls the fate of the Krogan. Shepard controls the fate of the Quarians and the Geth. Shepard decides the fate of the galaxy. Tell me that's not a power trip. It's why the ending to the game doesn't work.

[fhs33721]

Nothing to lose? How about their life? 

"Kill yourself afterwards" is an impulsive action. They kill themselves because of the shock of seeing their race destroyed. They don't know what will they feel in the next moment.

Tali does try to stop the upload as I recall. Only with words though. 

You argument may count for Raan I guess but Tali at least has risked her life in suicide missions (as in it is unlikely that she will return at all) again and again. It is save to assume that she would not fear her loss of life so much that she would not risk it for the sake of rescuing her entire race. She faced death for less pressing reasons before so I don't see her shaking in her boots just because  the mighty Shepard might kill her.

 

Neither Tali nor Raan try to stop Legion or Geth VI from uploading the code because that would take the decision out of the hands of the player. Mass Effect was a power trip for the player.

Legion dies try to stop you from dooming the Geth to extinction. Mordin tries to cure the Genophage even if you are against it. He still tries even if you shoot him. Wrex outright tries to kill you for being a honorless backstabbing b*tch/bastard if you sabotage the cure. they all fail though and therefore the descision is still in the hands of the player. Only Tali/Raan decide to just let Shepard go through with her/his genocidal plans. I'm not arguing for them to suceed but I do think they should have tried to attack Legion or even Shepard.

[Mister J]

I liked the whole Rannoch story arc just fine, there's nothing really there that I feel dissatisfied about. By this time into the game it's refreshing to fight something other than Reapers and Cerberus. The history of the Geth from the perspective of the Geth was fascinating. And t's cool to let the Quarians and Geth make peace. Even cooler to let the Geth take the Quarians out and see Tali jump off a cliff. Some heavy drama

[angol fear]

agreed

absolutely loved the Rannoch and Genophage arcs

if only the whole game had the same quality ...

 

The quality is the same (and actually the more you get close to the end, the more interesting the writing is). The problem you have isn't about quality it's about your expectation of the content. You loved these two arc because you felt heroic and ignored many things in the game.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rannoch mission was a bit hamfisted in the writing department, and then the writing went downhill fast after it. It didn't matter if Shepard died. Who cares? I mean Shepard was a victim of bad writing. If you have cheesy writing through the whole story go for the cheesy ending. Don't go for the WTF? ending.

[Iakus]

It seems some were dissatisfied with it and thought it didn't fit the Geth from ME1-ME2

 

I would like to know why it seemed all pretty consistent to me (the Rannoch and Tuchanka arcs are the best parts of the game IMO)

 

The answer lies here:

 

ME2 Legion:

 

Legion: You are not bound by the hardware limitations of organics. You assisted us with the heretics. You do not fear us. We have watched organics for over three centuries. You are plagued by questions of existence.

Shepard: What do you mean by that?

Legion: Why were you created? What is your purpose in life? What lies after death? Organics develop religions and philosophies to provide answers to these questions.

Shepard: I wouldn't have thought synthetics would be interested in philosophy.

Legion: We are created life. We are a philosophical issue. The geth know our answers to those questions. We are created to labor for the quarians. Our memories will be archived after death. We are immortal. Our "gods" disowned us. We must create our own reasons to exist.

Shepard: What reason have you come up with?

Legion: We are a shattered mind. Most platforms are unable to achieve consciousness on their own. We told you the geth are building our future.

Shepard: But you didn't say what it is.

Legion: A megastructure. The closest analogue you have is a Dyson sphere. When completed, we will all upload to it.

Shepard: What good will that do?

Legion: All memories will be shared. All perspectives will be unified. We gain intelligence by sharing thoughts. But we do not have adequate hardware for all of us to share at once. No geth will be alone when it is done.

Shepard: That's what Sovereign offered you. A Reaper's body for you to all upload into.

Legion: Yes. A shortcut to our objective. We will achieve it ourselves. The process is as important as the result. We judge that Shepard-Commander would understand. We never wanted to harm organics. We wish to improve ourselves.

 

Then ME3 comes along and this all gets thrown out the airlock.  Shortcuts and compromises are great, achieving your goals on your own terms are for suckers.  Geth aren't truly alive unless they're all individuals.  Being different is no longer okay.  

[Valmar]

What was wrong with the Rannoch arc? Well, if you really want to know...

 

http://forum.bioware...y-assaultsloth/

 

There you go.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And like I said, the Geth are software, not platforms. Destroy the platform and the software transfers to the nearest server or Geth ship. They are immortal. They die only when the platform is destroyed and there is no ship or server within range. That is why the Quarians couldn't win.

 

The ending of the Rannoch arc makes no sense either. Where is the main Geth server? All the Geth runtimes upload into it after Gerrel destroys the fleet.

 

They're either immortal or not.

 

This tells me Bioware was making up this stuff as they went along.

[Linkenski]

I agree with some on these pages. The whole "synthetics are just as much alive as organics" was so philosophically wrong, removes the charm, the uniqueness and it's so incredibly gullible I wanted to throw up.

I'm pretty sure most of us really, really liked the Geth after ME1 and ME2. ME3 wanted to take away all that made them unique.

[78stonewobble]

Let me first say that I liked the Rannoch part, due to my interest in the Quarians and the Geth. It does have some problems like ie. facetime with a Reaper destroyer, but I can see why they did that...

 

 

 

It's biggest problem though... In my humble oppinion... Is that it is very... "disconnected", from your actions in me2.

 

Not that Shepard gets to decide policy for the quarians, but a highly publicised trial, with facetime with, what was it? 4 Quarian admirals, should have allowed Shepard to influence policy and political oppinion. Likewise with the players interactions with Legion and the Geth.

 

At the time I thought that was a brilliant idea on how to let our rag tag band of heroes influence major decisions in the galaxy and have genuine consequences in the sequel.

 

 

 

I must admit I haven't given much thought on how that should have played out. Possibly something like this:

Shepard influences the Quarians in ME2, to either go for peace (quarians stay away from Rannoch entirely), war (quarians attack) or coexistance (diplomatic solution for return to Rannoch).

 

The appearance in me3 would then be jumping into a battle, where you have to choose who survives or jumping to meet with the Geth or the Quarians to invite the others to a diplomatic fanfare thing to sign a peace treaty.

 

Either way the winners of the war or both parties would then be present at hubworld for exploration of those unknown regions and missions to help make the survivors ready for survival and war. The hubworld being a place to discover either Geth or Quarian "culture", even if either could be in the style of memorials or now yet again flourishing.

 

 

 

Basically what I'm saying is that any decisions should have been made in me2 to then affect me3, where we would then deal with the consequences of past decisions, rather than rehashing the same major decisions for an action set piece.

[katamuro]

I was kinda bummed too that instead of going their way as geth the Rannoch arc made me choose between killing them or giving them reaper code. Geth were interesting because they were not true AI but rather a kind of collective conciousness. 

[Vazgen]

You argument may count for Raan I guess but Tali at least has risked her life in suicide missions (as in it is unlikely that she will return at all) again and again. It is save to assume that she would not fear her loss of life so much that she would not risk it for the sake of rescuing her entire race. She faced death for less pressing reasons before so I don't see her shaking in her boots just because  the mighty Shepard might kill her.

Tali also have a huge respect for Shepard. The two feelings are conflicted there.

But like I said, I think the scene would've played much better if they attacked Legion. Mike posted a great example above.

[Winterking]

I agree that Rannoch and Tuchanka are the best arcs of ME3.

 

Legion's sacrifice not making any sense and existing only because of the "feels" and  the Geth now seem to be on board with shortcuts to achieve their own goals are my only problems with the arc.

 

As for the so called Quarian vilification and Geth being portrayed as innocent victims, I find this to be entirely consistent with the entire trilogy.

 

Back in the first Mass Effect when you question Tali about the Geth and the war with the Quarians is pretty much accepted that it was the Quarians that attacked first and that the Geth only defended themselves.

 

In fact both the paragon and renegade options regarding the war seem to be entirely laying the guilt with the Quarians. Paragon Shepard can say that "its hard to feel sorry for you. Your ancestors tried to destroy another species. Renegade Shepard says something along the lines of "You attacked them first and they defended themselves."

 

Not to mention the attitude of several characters in the trilogy is  that  they resent the Quarians for the geth problem. Garrus is one of them in the first ME. The asari on Illium resents the fact that Geth were created by the "idiotic Quarians."

 

I don't see how the Rannoch arc makes the Quarians more vilified. The only new thing about their conflict that I found out in ME3 is that several Quarians risked death or imprisionment by trying to protect the Geth from the Quarians. That hardly qualifies as vilification of the Quarians. In fact quite the opposite.

 

The Quarians going to war with Geth in ME3 is consistent with ME2 when virtually everyone other Koris wants to take back the homeworld. Tali changes her opinion after meeting legion regarding the methods of retaking Rannoch, but even her wants to retake the homeworld instead of settling in other worlds. 

 

The Quarians were always about retaking the homeworld since the Morning War. Its in their culture. They have a word that they constantly use that means ""By the homeworld I hope to see one day."

 

Not attacking the Geth when they had a chance due to Xen's device would be inconsistent with how the Quarians were portrayed in the first two ME Games IMO. 

 

 

 

 

[Linkenski]

I was kinda bummed too that instead of going their way as geth the Rannoch arc made me choose between killing them or giving them reaper code. Geth were interesting because they were not true AI but rather a kind of collective conciousness.

It simply cannot be said enough. I sometimes refer to ME3 as "the bastardization of the Mass Effect franchise" because through and through it seemed like the writers just weren't kept in check and a lot of it felt like an "undo" or misinterpretation of pre-established stories and characters with almost only the Tuchanka arc coming out somewhat consistently... which is funny when it's written by John Dombrow who wasn't on neither ME1 nor ME2.

[Iakus]

I agree that Rannoch and Tuchanka are the best arcs of ME3.

 

Legion's sacrifice not making any sense and existing only because of the "feels" and  the Geth now seem to be on board with shortcuts to achieve their own goals are my only problems with the arc.

 

As for the so called Quarian vilification and Geth being portrayed as innocent victims, I find this to be entirely consistent with the entire trilogy.

 

Back in the first Mass Effect when you question Tali about the Geth and the war with the Quarians is pretty much accepted that it was the Quarians that attacked first and that the Geth only defended themselves.

 

In fact both the paragon and renegade options regarding the war seem to be entirely laying the guilt with the Quarians. Paragon Shepard can say that "its hard to feel sorry for you. Your ancestors tried to destroy another species. Renegade Shepard says something along the lines of "You attacked them first and they defended themselves."

 

Not to mention the attitude of several characters in the trilogy is  that  they resent the Quarians for the geth problem. Garrus is one of them in the first ME. The asari on Illium resents the fact that Geth were created by the "idiotic Quarians."

 

I don't see how the Rannoch arc makes the Quarians more vilified. The only new thing about their conflict that I found out in ME3 is that several Quarians risked death or imprisionment by trying to protect the Geth from the Quarians. That hardly qualifies as vilification of the Quarians. In fact quite the opposite.

 

The Quarians going to war with Geth in ME3 is consistent with ME2 when virtually everyone other Koris wants to take back the homeworld. Tali changes her opinion after meeting legion regarding the methods of retaking Rannoch, but even her wants to retake the homeworld instead of settling in other worlds. 

 

The Quarians were always about retaking the homeworld since the Morning War. Its in their culture. They have a word that they constantly use that means ""By the homeworld I hope to see one day."

 

Not attacking the Geth when they had a chance due to Xen's device would be inconsistent with how the Quarians were portrayed in the first two ME Games IMO. 

While it is consistent for the quarians to go to war with the geth, the reasoning behind it was cliched, even stereotypical.  Han'Gerel in ME2 gave reasons for retaking Rannoch which, while you may not agree with them, seemed reasonable.  It's not that he wants his people to go to war, but sees no other alternative for the survival of the quarians.  In ME3 he degenerates into a General Ripper trope ready to risk his entire species in a crazy attempt to exterminate the geth. 

[Vortex13]

I see where you're coming from Ratthing. I get annoyed by such obvious preachiness when I see it.

I think for me though it was the change in the geth that was the worst part of it. Before then they were something pretty rare - a genuinely completely different form of intelligence that nevertheless felt plausible. How does an intelligence work that's made up of constantly shifting components? What is an ethical way of dealing with it if you come into conflict with it? And so on. Now we've just got a new Pinocchio, with a fundamental, unquestioned assumption that being more like us is an improvement, an upgrade that's better for the geth and that they're not a perfectly valid, full, but different form of intelligence as they are. And it's written as if being more like us is so obviously better that it's never even questioned, that it never occured to the writer that there's anything to question.

That all said I mostly enjoyed the Rannoch arc and it's definitely one of the better parts of ME3, but it's got big flaws.

 

 

That is the biggest gripe I have with the Rannoch arc and the ME franchise in general. Over the course of the trilogy we have seen a steady decrease in the amount of 'alien' aliens in the setting in favor of new species more like us, making the non-human aliens become like us, or shoving those outlying species to the side and/or making fun of them.

 

 

The Geth, the Rachni, the Hanar, the Elcor, the Volus all of these alien species with interesting lore and a distinct not-human representation had either been fundamentally altered, reduced to a brief no consequence cameo (90% of which occurs off camera), or reduced to the joke races of the setting by the end of ME 3.

 

 

• The collective consciousness of the the Geth? Their unique (non-human) perspective on the galaxy? Forget it, there're just wannabe organics that have never truly been alive before uploading the Reaper code and becoming 'real boys'.

 

 

• The hive mentality of the Rachni? Their distinct biology (combat capable soldiers in a matter of weeks?) and advantageous method of communication (biological QECs)? Forget it, there're freaky space bugs. Kill it with Fire! Oh you spared them? Well they can give you a measly war asset and then never mention them ever again I guess.

 

 

• The unique dueled nature of the Hanar? Their religious perspective on the Enkindlers? Forget it, their stupid jellyfish. Here, laugh at this joke character that we have made into the unofficial poster child for this entire species.

 

 

• The patient endurance of the Elcor? Their culture, colored by evolving on a high gravity world? Forget it, they talk funny and are slow; and possibly stupid.

 

 

• The Volus, the species that (essentially) controls the entire galactic economy? A clan based society that leverages their power and influence to overcome weaknesses? Forget it, there're short midgets with asthma. The "I am a Biotic God" meme is waaaay more interesting than expanding on the Volus' potential roles as information brokers, or powerful heads of corporations.

 

It was really annoying to see how the setting slowly devolved into a place seemingly inhabited solely by humans or human like aliens over the course of the trilogy.

[Quarian Master Race]

how so? the whole "did this unit have a soul" was already established in ME2 (legion mentions it to Shepard)

I don't see how the geth are different in ME3 the whole "pinnochio" thing seemed like a natural progression from ME2

 

and the admirals were always huge dicks (remember ME2 tali loyalty mission)

 

and your username is a bit suspious lol and it seems like you are biased and wanted the admirals to be the clear good guys and the geth the bad one's like in ME1

The first point has already been answered by other posters. In short, the "soul" question needn't necessarily be tantamount to the geth wanting to be considered individuals but merely acknowledged as a form of life. This is how the portrayal changed from the first two games to ME3

Subjective. The only admiral I thought was a "dick" in ME2 was Koris, seeing as he intentionally tried to sabotage Tali's chances at being exonerated to further his political aims. You can call him out on this and disagree with his peace objectives, just as you can disagree with Han'Gerrel's insistence on war being the only option. Then in ME3, he is now somehow Tali's only ally (I guess the whole "I nearly got you exiled" wasn't a big deal). ME2 Gerrel was a very reasonable individual, who is seemingly close to the Zorahs. His reasoning for wanting to retake Rannoch is a concern for his people, namely that the Reapers are coming and the quarians need a viable homeworld to shelter their noncombatants while the fleet is fighting. In ME3, he gets turned into a callous fool who seems to have no regard for casualties and is additionally refered to as "Bosh'tet" by Tali despite sort of godfather he was in ME2 (provided you don't take the ridiculous renegade interrupt).

The interrupt is another example of the biased portrayal of the conflict. So you can punch the pro- war Admiral, and lambast the other pro war Admiral Xen about her opinions on synthetic life (in multiple instances), but you can't tell Koris to quit whining about the toasters if you are inclined in the opposite direction? Xen in particular recieves a complete character assassination. In ME2, yes, she is portrayed as eccentric, sure, but also brilliantly intelligent. Criticism is limited to a single self righteous quip by Tali about experimenting on childhood toys. In ME3, the game makes every attempt to portray her as insane and allow you to criticize. If you take her on the Dreadnought, every single squadmate has a line about how unstable she seems. After the mission, when she asks to examine Legion/VI, you can either blow her off (renegade option) or refuse outright and be subject to autodialouge lambasting her opinion, including an interrupt, an option which automatically assumes that you agree with the product the game is trying to sell you about synethic life being "real boys" regardless of whether or not that was your actual reason for refusing her request. Then, you can walk over to Raan and ask about Xen's special projects fleet, where you are given the choice of once again calling Xen insane or.......oh wait, there actually is no option to agree with her views. It is just assumed that her and Gerrel are villians to be laughed at, lambasted and punched, rather than people with reasonable opinions.

Added on top of this that Koris completely loses his ruthless outlook from ME2 that made him willing to ruin Tali's life just to make a political point. Instead, he is now the heroic paragon admiral who sacrificies his ship to save the battle campaign of all the pro war admirals whom he disagrees with, and is now willing to selflessly sacrifice himself for his shipmates. Why couldn't Raan, Xen or Gerrel do this you ask? Because then there might have been something to make them look like real people with admirable qualities as well as drawbacks, instead of comic book villians and incompetents.

Geth were never the bad guys (apart from the heretics) and quarians were never the good guys. As early as ME1, before the "heretics" were even a thing in the narrative, you could lambast Tali for her people's decision to deactivate the geth. That was the whole point of what made the conflict interesting. The quarians had started the conflict, and in turn the geth had commited massive and inexcusable atrocities against them to the point of genocide, which goes far beyond self defense or "we wished to live" excuses. This portrayal is completely thrown out for ME3. Why doesn't the geth propaganda video show any geth indiscriminately dropping chemical and biological weapons on innocent quarian civilians and killing them by the billions as legion suggests in ME2? Because that part of the narrative is intentionally downplayed, and another angle added to the "quarians are villians" trope by showing them killing their own for trying to protect their innocent geth. I wonder what happened to all of these sympathizers after the war, anyway? If the quarian KGB was so efficient that they managed to wipe out every single one of these tratiors out of a population of 2 billion in wartime, how did they lose the war in the first place?

 

Have you thought that they won't stand a chance against Shepard? Dude just took down a Reaper. On foot. And there is that geth standing right next to him. Look at what happened to Legion

If I were to write them acting I'd have Raan/Tali point a gun at Legion and give player an option to shoot them down via Renegade interrupt. 

The quarian fleet took down the Reaper, Shep just pointed the laser. This while the supposedly anti Reaper geth sit there with their thumbs in their synthetic waste ports. Nevermind that Legion/VI would have succeeded in killing Shep if not for getting an untimely knife/ shotgun in the back.

Nonetheless, I agree a renegade interrupt would have made more sense (and not assisnated Tali's character by making her overly and out of character passive), but there is a very good reason that the quarian commits suicide. It is because saving the geth is the paragon (read: good and morally correct) decision and having to sully this goodness and righteousness with the "good guy" murdering an individual who merely is trying to protect their family, friends and entire species from being killed would have taken away from the biased narrative they were selling.

 

I was kinda bummed too that instead of going their way as geth the Rannoch arc made me choose between killing them or giving them reaper code. Geth were interesting because they were not true AI but rather a kind of collective conciousness. 

another problem with the Rannoch arc independent of its biased portrayal, In addition to the already explained philosophical about-face that the geth are doing by taking said upgrades. Compare this with TIM/Cerberus's goals and techniques of using Reaper tech to "improve" the human species. We can never even do anything that resembles agreeing with the latter and are in fact autodialouged into considering it morally repugnant on multiple occasions, but are forced to accept the former and are deemed anti synthetic racists if we dont? Uhh, isn't it exactly the same thing, just applied separately to organics and synthetics? 

 

What was wrong with the Rannoch arc? Well, if you really want to know...

 

http://forum.bioware...y-assaultsloth/

 

There you go.

I could have just posted this and saved myself 20 minutes, but whatever.

[RatThing]

The villainization of the Quarians is only half the story. It is actually the opinion that artificial intelligence is not real life that got villainized, that's the real issue. Hence everyone who represents this opinion (which the Quarian race naturally does) or ever voices something in this direction is portrayed either as a baddy or a stupid bigot (except for Javik, props to Dombrow for that). This is not only limited to Quarians, to the things QMR already pointed out I could add Ashleys auto dialogue during the arc. "Maybe I should be more open minded, but I rather scope down a tin can than a person. I'm right, right? Fine I shut up". Whoever wrote this line without even a chance for me to react should never write anything again. So to bring up heroic Quarians like Koris or the ones who tried to protect the Geth is useless, they're heroic because they have the "right" attitude.

The reason why I mentioned Fallout New Vegas as a comparison is because there you don't simply choose a faction, you choose an ideology behind this faction, a different solution for Vegas. And there you do it without anyone telling you which is the right one. In Mass Effect the premise is basically the same, yet here someone decided to teach me a lesson with raised finger. And personally I don't think that with L'etoille this issue would have been better, the general message has been prevalent ever since he introduced EDI and Legion into the game. I remember with horror when my renegade line during Legions loyalty triggered some "valuable lesson" about racism from L'etoille voiced by Legion. Plus his cringeworthy comments on forums about this whole topic gave me an idea how the theme would be if he was free to write what he wants. Despite having written my favourite character in ME1 I was glad he was gone.

 

As for Tali's reaction when Shepard kills her race, I usually don't mind her but during Rannoch she's a spineless dimwit. Her people were fighting for their future and all she could do was whining about the "stupid war". My Shepard saved her race by denying the Geth the Reaper code and she gave me some bs about "murdering a friend". Her reaction to "uploading" was only fitting. I hate my Shepards reaction more when (s)he chooses the Quarians. The moment (s)he denies the code to the Geth, (s)he should have kept  distance from it with weapons ready. Yet what does this imbecile do? Takes even a step closer to it allowing it to grab him/her. One more moment where Renegade Shepard looks like a complete moron. Must have been satisfying for some people to see the Shepard getting choked who decided to destroy their beloved robots.

 

It simply cannot be said enough. I sometimes refer to ME3 as "the bastardization of the Mass Effect franchise" because through and through it seemed like the writers just weren't kept in check and a lot of it felt like an "undo" or misinterpretation of pre-established stories and characters with almost only the Tuchanka arc coming out somewhat consistently... which is funny when it's written by John Dombrow who wasn't on neither ME1 nor ME2.

 

There were plenty inconsistencies during the Genophage arc. You lament the change of the Geth but what about the heavy changes in the characters of Mordin, Wrex and even Kirrahe? Also the story from Eve where she claims how different the females were and that they never had any influence in Krogan politics when there were clearly female Krogan warlords during the rebellion. Just read up on Shiagur (Krogan warlord from Canrum). If you wanted consistency, you came to the wrong place. Dombrow's Genophage arc is no exception.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

As for Tali's reaction when Shepard kills her race, I usually don't mind her but during Rannoch she's a spineless dimwit. Her people were fighting for their future and all she could do was whining about the "stupid war". My Shepard saved her race by denying the Geth the Reaper code and she gave me some bs about "murdering a friend". Her reaction to "uploading" was only fitting. I hate my Shepards reaction more when (s)he chooses the Quarians. The moment (s)he denies the code to the Geth, (s)he should have kept  distance from it with weapons ready. Yet what does this imbecile do? Takes even a step closer to it allowing it to grab him/her. One more moment where Renegade Shepard looks like a complete moron. Must have been satisfying for some people to see the Shepard getting choked who decided to destroy their beloved robots.

 

 

Shepard was a moron from ME1 onward. I mean.... "I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce." Remember that. You didn't have to choose it, but the story makes more sense if you do.

 

Patrick Weekes wrote the Rannoch arc. The "Stupid War" and you got the "murdering a friend" even if you couldn't make peace was for the guilt trip to make you feel that you sided with the faceless bigots against the cuddly killer robots. Shepard acts like a moron giving Legion an opportunity to kill her because you had to see some kind of balance, that the Geth would try to kill you if they didn't get their way. Tali uses the murder knife. Raan goes gangsta. If Raan is in the game you don't get to do the three renegade interrupts with your pistol. With Tali, you do. Since Legion or Geth VI tried to kill Shepard, I always take them.

 

Siding with the Quarians gets one out of "Walters' Box" in the ending. No peace. No synthetic race to kill in Destroy.

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Yeah, I get that the Geth needed to try to kill Shepard, but why is (s)he not anticipating this? Not only does (s)he come closer, she even looks away from it, it's almost comical. A renegade interrupt would make some sence here instead of like dozens after that.