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[Jukaga]

Garrel did the right thing firing on the Geth DN. It was a priceless opportunity to remove the Geth's biggest and best warship. It wouldn't matter if Space Lincoln and Surak of Vulcan were on it at the time. I'm pleased Shepard gets the chance to say it was the right decision, and it's understandable if she'd rather have not been on it at the time.

[Valmar]

Garrel did the right thing firing on the Geth DN. It was a priceless opportunity to remove the Geth's biggest and best warship. It wouldn't matter if Space Lincoln and Surak of Vulcan were on it at the time. I'm pleased Shepard gets the chance to say it was the right decision, and it's understandable if she'd rather have not been on it at the time.

 

Get where you're coming from and actually feel the same. That being said my Shepard saw it as treason and promptly laid a fistbowlfull of pain into a certain quarian's stomach.

[Vazgen]

Garrel did the right thing firing on the Geth DN. It was a priceless opportunity to remove the Geth's biggest and best warship. It wouldn't matter if Space Lincoln and Surak of Vulcan were on it at the time. I'm pleased Shepard gets the chance to say it was the right decision, and it's understandable if she'd rather have not been on it at the time.

Makes me wonder why did Legion/Geth VI disabled the dreadnought shields "as a gesture of cooperation"? Rigging the core to overload after a certain period would've accomplished the same effect without making itself a target.

[von uber]

Personally I prefer it when you can't make peace (but then I prefer it when you don't cure the genophage with either Wrex or Wreav). Makes the game much more interesting.

 

 

[Vazgen]

Personally I prefer it when you can't make peace (but then I prefer it when you don't cure the genophage with either Wrex or Wreav). Makes the game much more interesting.

 

Liked for the second picture. First one... not so much

[themikefest]

Gerrel is an idiot. He had an itchy trigger finger. He couldn't wait for Shepard to leave the ship. Killing Shepard would've doomed his species. Yeah that guy is a couple cans short of a 6-pack

[KaiserShep]

Garrel did the right thing firing on the Geth DN. It was a priceless opportunity to remove the Geth's biggest and best warship. It wouldn't matter if Space Lincoln and Surak of Vulcan were on it at the time. I'm pleased Shepard gets the chance to say it was the right decision, and it's understandable if she'd rather have not been on it at the time.

Thing is, how did Gerrel expect Shepard and Tali to escape the dreadnought? With the ship under fire, the Normandy can't make a pickup, and neither can any shuttle. Basically, Shepard was trapped there, and only by sheer convenience did the geth fighters happen to have a trunk big enough for three people to crawl into. If the hangar bay was empty, everyone would have simply died on the ship and that would have been that. So, was the plan to simply write Shepard and Tali off right then and there, just to destroy the ship? I dunno man, suit rats be crazy.

 

I'm surprised the dunderhead didn't fire on the fighter as it was escaping as well.

[Jukaga]

Thing is, how did Gerrel expect Shepard and Tali to escape the dreadnought? With the ship under fire, the Normandy can't make a pickup, and neither can any shuttle. Basically, Shepard was trapped there, and only by sheer convenience did the geth fighters happen to have a trunk big enough for three people to crawl into. If the hangar bay was empty, everyone would have simply died on the ship and that would have been that. So, was the plan to simply write Shepard and Tali off right then and there, just to destroy the ship? I dunno man, suit rats be crazy.

 

I'm surprised the dunderhead didn't fire on the fighter as it was escaping as well.

 

 

While from our perspective Shepard > Everything else, but an Admiral would (and should) view a SF team as an expendable asset if it meant taking down the enemy's flagship. Garrel doesn't know that the barriers won't come back on any second, he saw an opportunity and seized it. I'm sure he hoped the team on the DN could make an escape but he made the correct military decision.

[Valmar]

 

Enjoy!

 

Pow! Right in the quib quib! They'll write battle songs about this someday.

 

Shepard foreshadowed this day.

 

[KaiserShep]

No matter how mad Gerrel might make me, I just don't punch the guy. It just seems kinda...meh. Plus, I prefer to make nice with the leader of the heavy fleet for the time being. Of course, I could just have the entire quarian race wiped out for spite, but that's another playthrough in another universe.

[themikefest]

While from our perspective Shepard > Everything else, but an Admiral would (and should) view a SF team as an expendable asset if it meant taking down the enemy's flagship. Garrel doesn't know that the barriers won't come back on any second, he saw an opportunity and seized it. I'm sure he hoped the team on the DN could make an escape but he made the correct military decision.

What would be funny is the game showing the clown before he gets killed by the Geth saying, I shouldn't have fired on the dreadnought killing Shepard that could've helped saved my species. I'm such an idiot

[Jukaga]

What would be funny is the game showing the clown before he gets killed by the Geth saying, I shouldn't have fired on the dreadnought killing Shepard that could've helped saved my species. I'm such an idiot

 

That's using meta-knowledge and game-logic though. There is no reason outside of the way the game was written that Shepard is the only being that can solve the Reaper question. The last thing I'd want in a ME game is EVERY single character worshiping at Shepard's feet. You are ex-military no? Do you not agree that given the situation that Garrel made the right military decision?

[themikefest]

That's using meta-knowledge and game-logic though. There is no reason outside of the way the game was written that Shepard is the only being that can solve the Reaper question. The last thing I'd want in a ME game is EVERY single character worshiping at Shepard's feet. You are ex-military no? Do you not agree that given the situation that Garrel made the right military decision?

No he didn't. He had an itchy trigger finger and didn't care about anything else except to destroy that ship. It was done out of frustration.  

 

Me personally. I would say to he** with both the Geth and Quarians and let them kill each other. It was a case of dumb and dumber. The Quarians for attacking the Geth when the galaxy is being invaded and the Geth for siding with the reapers.

[Pasquale1234]

There were plenty inconsistencies during the Genophage arc. You lament the change of the Geth but what about the heavy changes in the characters of Mordin, Wrex and even Kirrahe? Also the story from Eve where she claims how different the females were and that they never had any influence in Krogan politics when there were clearly female Krogan warlords during the rebellion. Just read up on Shiagur (Krogan warlord from Canrum). If you wanted consistency, you came to the wrong place. Dombrow's Genophage arc is no exception.

You might want to give that a closer listen. Eve is talking about the way things have been since the genophage, where females became the pawns of males fighting for dominance. She also mentions restoring balance and returning the Krogan to the culture they had before the genophage.


OT: Do Quarian ships not have FTL drives?

Why in the world would they try to take a home planet when other species already firmly entrenched with infrastructure and defenses in place are struggling to keep theirs? So any Quarians who actually manage to survive a war with the geth will have a place from which to be harvested by the reapers?

It seems to me like their best bet is to stay in the flotilla and evade the reapers until the cycle is complete.

[KaiserShep]

It seems to me like their best bet is to stay in the flotilla and evade the reapers until the cycle is complete.

 

The flotilla is actually getting a bit desperate, because it's not a totally self-sustaining system. If they decided to hole up in some dark corner of the galaxy, they may not have enough material to maintain their ships, let alone their population. And they can't settle on any planets, because they're too vulnerable to both attack and their own weakened immune systems.

[Pasquale1234]

The flotilla is actually getting a bit desperate, because it's not a totally self-sustaining system. If they decided to hole up in some dark corner of the galaxy, they may not have enough material to maintain their ships, let alone their population. And they can't settle on any planets, because they're too vulnerable to both attack and their own weakened immune systems.

I wondered about that - but with so many other worlds and colonies falling to the reapers, I would expect they could have a lot of salvage opportunities.

[Steelcan]

It seems to me like their best bet is to stay in the flotilla and evade the reapers until the cycle is complete.

actually a horrendous idea

 

they would be completely at the mercy of the Reapers if caught in space

[Pasquale1234]

actually a horrendous idea
 
they would be completely at the mercy of the Reapers if caught in space

How so? They can escape by jumping to FTL.

[Excella Gionne]

Not enough Arc Pistol.

[Sifr]

Part of what I hated about the Rannoch arc was the damned Reaper Code upgrade, since it went against the very core tenets of what the Geth believed as stated in ME2, that they believed in progressing on their own terms and not get any technological help up the ladder? It turned them into hypocrites by taking the easy option, instead of attempting to forge their own destiny?

 

Personally, I feel that this ultimately doomed them in the Destroy Ending, because it makes more sense to me that instead of a "Kill All Synthetic" ray, the actual purpose of the beam was to target anything carrying Reaper code, hence why the Reapers, EDI and Geth were all destroyed. The Reapers had their entire being erased, leaving only an empty shell, EDI's core program was built upon Reaper code, while the Geth had fully integrated it into themselves with their upgrade, which caused them all to be affected by the beam too.

 

Plus, it makes it easier to rationalise the Destory Ending, as I now only have to feel guilty about EDI who was an innocent victim in this, unlike the Geth who did it to themselves against all common sense. Considering that Shepard had just removed Reaper Code that was infecting their systems a few missions earlier, you'd have thought that some of the Geth would have been wary about committing to putting more of it inside them without knowing what it did?

 

Another minor quibble I've always had is how Legion alone oppposes the alliance with the Reapers, when both the Heretics and the True Geth are in favour of it? While I know he's an autonomous unit and thus has some level of independence that the others lack, it never made sense to me how he's able to ignore what is clearly the group consensus of the rest of the Geth?

[Steelcan]

How so? They can escape by jumping to FTL.

and the Reapers can follow them, hell the Reapers are faster, and if the Reapers sit on the Mass Relays then the Quarians will be stuck, they can't survive so far away from fuel and such, thry may be able to FTL between systems, to more Reapers, but they'll never survive on their own in the Flotilla

[Pasquale1234]

and the Reapers can follow them, hell the Reapers are faster, and if the Reapers sit on the Mass Relays then the Quarians will be stuck, they can't survive so far away from fuel and such, thry may be able to FTL between systems, to more Reapers, but they'll never survive on their own in the Flotilla

Assuming they find them and chase them down. Either way, you have to make a lot of assumptions about the reaper's MO to really know which would be preferable. What we saw in-game is that the reapers do not occupy all systems at all times, the Normandy escapes them by jumping to FTL, and it looks to me like they move on once they've completed their harvest of any given system.

[KaiserShep]

The one thing the quarians could use to their advantage is the stealth technology that they apparently got from the turians, but that can only be used in relatively brief intervals. In any case, jumping to FTL only works for so long, because unlike the reapers, their ships eventually need to be refueled.