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[TheChubbyDragon]

Does anyone think that the reason why Solas actually broke up with the Inquisitor is simply because he is immortal and she is not?

 

He does after all say,  "There are... considerations." AND "It would be kinder in the long run."

 

I mean eventually she is going to age and die while he remains the same. We know this because Abelas referred to the Inquisitor as a shemlen. He was looking right at her when he said it during the Well of Sorrows.

 

I just don't think these reasons cut it:

 

1. I don't think he would end the relationship because he is afraid to tell the Inquisitor that he is Fen'Harel. After all, there were a few instances where he promised to explain everything. Not to mention, he is prideful and knows that the elven legends are not true. Abelas confirms this, and exclaims that Fen'Harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder. This new information contradicts everything the modern elves knew about their creators. This also depicts Fen'Harel in a different light giving rise to the idea that he may not be as bad as the legends portray him. The truth is coming to the surface little by little, as we see, and who better to be the first to accept him than his most recent lover?

 

2. I don't think he let her go because he expects to die and is afraid of hurting her with his death. I mean, we know he has SOME unfinished business to attend to and we all have our assumptions as to what his plans are, but does he actually expect to die? He is a powerful mage/God after all, with three (possible) God-essences' within him as we noted after the final scene with Flemeth. He is obviously preparing himself for something. We also know he said he should pay the price for his failure, but then right after he says, "but the people need me." To me, that means he has no intention of dying until he feels the people no longer need him. 

 

Any thoughts as to why he would leave the Inquisitor? 

[BraveVesperia]

I think I read somewhere that it's because he wants her to be 'free'. He's got some mysterious plans that are set in motion during DAI, and doesn't want her to be dragged into them with him. The fact that he's an elven 'god' would play into that, since we've seen lots of examples of elves in servitude to them, wasting their own lives (e.g Abelas).

[Mims]

Well, we don't know exactly why he decided to break it off. But we do have some pretty good hints, and I don't personally believe immortality/mortality is one of them.

 

According to Weekes, Solas was never planning to break it off with Lavellan when he took her to Crestwood. He had every intention of coming clean to her, and letting go of the past. But at the last moment, he backs out and tells her about the meaning of the vallaslin instead. It was either Lavellan or his mission, and he ultimately chose his mission. He is the one responsible for the fall of the People. The burden, at least in his mind, of restoration is upon him. 

 

Why not let Lavellan in on it? Solas tells Cole that the path he is heading down is not one he'd wish on his worst enemy. I don't know if he necessarily expects to die, but he doesn't have an exit strategy. He doesn't want to drag her down with him. Solas's plans have an exceptionally bad track record. 

 

At the moment we can only speculate what his plans entail. It could be that the ramifications of his actions are so morally grey that he knows Lavellan would never approve, and does not wish her to have to suffer guilt by association. It could be that he intends to free the elven gods, knowing full well they'll probably enact a revenge upon him. Until we have more information, we just don't know. 

[wiccame]

The... you're real, that means everyone is real...line. 

There is a theory going about that Solas may plan to, reset time. If this is the case he can't believe anyone of the present is real because then he would be wiping out everyone that exists to put right what once was. For his own sanity he can't think like that. So to believe Lavellan is real would mean he is wiping her from existence too, something he would really regret. So breaking up with her would distance himself from those feelings or so he would hope.

[Mims]

Personally, I think he is unlikely to be trying to reset time. The game makes a point of saying that time travel only worked because of the breach. You could only travel to a point in time where it was open. Hence, why Alexius couldn't save his son. The incident that was killing him happened before the breach. Once the breach is closed, there's no way to access that magic again. 

 

Sure, he could pull some sort of elven god shenanigans. But then there'd be no point in putting that stipulation in at all if they were planning on using time travel magic again. Bioware probably doesn't want to completely open the door to time hijinks, as things get harried pretty fast. 

 

[ Edit: Furthermore, it seems like the elvhen empire had some serious problems that simple time travel wouldn't fix. He'd just show up and have the same problem all over again. ]

[jellobell]

Yeah, time travel is kind of a cop-out. It worked for In Hushed Whispers because it gave you a good look at exactly what the stakes were, but I'm glad Bioware has left it at that. 

[wiccame]

But it doesn't necessarily follow that he would be successful, makes for a good race against time story further in. There are a few instances where his comments could be interpreted as much but yeah it's probably too far fetched.

[LOLandStuff]

Solas just needs to take Lavellan and start a family or whatever. But he already messes that up, like everything else. You'd think after all his screw ups he learned his lesons. Nope. Not a chance.

Who knows what he's up to and how he'll manage to doom everyone else. He did it once...Althought the elven pantheon was pretty much composed of douches. But it ended baddly. And then there's the whole deal with Corypheus. And his orb got destroyed.

 

Dude, my poor second Lavellan is feeling miserable and depressed. He was more broken up over that stupid orb than her.

 

And what's the deal with him constantly praising her spirit?

[ctd757]

Abelas called you a shemlen? I didn't hear that.

[wiccame]

He never referred to me as a Shemlen, the closest he got was telling me I basically was no better than a Shemlen in regards to defiling the temple and he recognised I was wearing the markings of a slave.

[jellobell]

Solas just needs to take Lavellan and start a family or whatever. But he already messes that up, like everything else. You'd think after all his screw ups he learned his lesons. Nope. Not a chance.

You know, the heartbreaking thing is that he pretty much says this word-for-word if you bring him along during In Hushed Whispers and he ends up in the bad future.

 

 

Inquisitor (to Solas): I'm glad you understood what [Dorian] just said, because I'm not sure I did.

Solas: You would think such understanding would stop me from making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong.

[Eliastion]

Source of one of (many) Dalish misinterpretations of the past: Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. I guess they just gave Fen'Harel too much credit for his supposed cunning to guess that he actually meant good...

Apparently "we have an evil trickster god who betrayed everyone" sounds more comforting than "we have a god who is a complete idiot, and full of himself, too".

[Sifr]

 

Apparently "we have an evil trickster god who betrayed everyone" sounds more comforting than "we have a god who is a complete idiot, and full of himself, too".

 

In fairness, most of the conversations in the Temple of Mythal suggest that a lot of the Elven Gods fell into that category, starting wars amongst themselves for idiotic reasons or just plain ego?

[Eliastion]

In fairness, most of the conversations in the Temple of Mythal suggest that a lot of the Elven Gods fell into that category, starting wars amongst themselves for idiotic reasons or just plain ego?

Well, I don't know, really - we get Fen'Harel's version of the events and he is not a fan. Frankly, I think those wars for idiotic reasons or ego were just as most other wars: much more complicated. Just think about that war caused by Falon'Din  ego: sounds nasty. But if we consider that the gods had their spheres of influence (countries, more or less) and Mythal only moved her ass when Falon'din threatened her domain AND she had to unify the other gods... Falon'Din's war could be motivated by his ego the same way any other attempt at unification by conquest. Which incidentally is how most great empires are created.

Of course, the explanation could be different, perhaps even exactly what Solas says, but that's one of the problems with him: being a first-hand witness does not make his account impartial. And seeing his role, I think we can safely assume that his account, as enlightening as it might be, is anything but unbiased.

[AWTEW]

Solas just needs to take Lavellan and start a family or whatever. But he already messes that up, like everything else. You'd think after all his screw ups he learned his lesons. Nope. Not a chance.
Who knows what he's up to and how he'll manage to doom everyone else. He did it once...Althought the elven pantheon was pretty much composed of douches. But it ended baddly. And then there's the whole deal with Corypheus. And his orb got destroyed.
 
Dude, my poor second Lavellan is feeling miserable and depressed. He was more broken up over that stupid orb than her.
 
And what's the deal with him constantly praising her spirit?

He has a spirit fetish.

[SnowPeaShooter]

 Just think about that war caused by Falon'Din  ego: sounds nasty. But if we consider that the gods had their spheres of influence (countries, more or less) and Mythal only moved her ass when Falon'din threatened her domain AND she had to unify the other gods..

 

Where did you get the info that Falon'Din warred with Mythal? I didn't see that in my playthroughs, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough...Thanks!

[Siha]

Yeah, time travel is kind of a cop-out. It worked for In Hushed Whispers because it gave you a good look at exactly what the stakes were, but I'm glad Bioware has left it at that. 

 

I do not actually have an opinion on that DA time travel. But I would not dismiss it so readily. They used it to show us what was at stake, yes, but they could have done that differently, too. They could have sent us to the Fade (just as they do later on), where everything can be real. Only make it a shared dream and no physical crossing like after Adamant. With the inquisitor's back story it could have worked. They decided on sending us to the future instead. It might be meaningless in the long run but at this point I would not put anything past them.

[Eliastion]

Where did you get the info that Falon'Din warred with Mythal? I didn't see that in my playthroughs, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough...Thanks!

If you have Solas with you when you go to Temple of Mythal, and you find Falon'Din's mosaic there, Solas tells Quizzy a tale of Falon'Din's vanity.

Here's a link 

[Abelas Forever!]

Does anyone think that the reason why Solas actually broke up with the Inquisitor is simply because he is immortal and she is not?

 

He does after all say,  "There are... considerations." AND "It would be kinder in the long run."

 

I mean eventually she is going to age and die while he remains the same. We know this because Abelas referred to the Inquisitor as a shemlen. He was looking right at her when he said it during the Well of Sorrows.

 

I just don't think these reasons cut it:

 

1. I don't think he would end the relationship because he is afraid to tell the Inquisitor that he is Fen'Harel. After all, there were a few instances where he promised to explain everything. Not to mention, he is prideful and knows that the elven legends are not true. Abelas confirms this, and exclaims that Fen'Harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder. This new information contradicts everything the modern elves knew about their creators. This also depicts Fen'Harel in a different light giving rise to the idea that he may not be as bad as the legends portray him. The truth is coming to the surface little by little, as we see, and who better to be the first to accept him than his most recent lover?

 

2. I don't think he let her go because he expects to die and is afraid of hurting her with his death. I mean, we know he has SOME unfinished business to attend to and we all have our assumptions as to what his plans are, but does he actually expect to die? He is a powerful mage/God after all, with three (possible) God-essences' within him as we noted after the final scene with Flemeth. He is obviously preparing himself for something. We also know he said he should pay the price for his failure, but then right after he says, "but the people need me." To me, that means he has no intention of dying until he feels the people no longer need him. 

 

Any thoughts as to why he would leave the Inquisitor? 

I think that Solas wouldn't have started the relationship in the first place if his reason for break up would have been that Lavellan is not immortal. I think he really didn't want to start the relationship because he couldn't tell her the truth about himself and he knew that he might have to leave her because his mission will always come first.

 

I think when he says that he should pay the price for his failure means that he should die instead of Flemeth/Mythal but because his people need him then he has no other choice than kill Flemeth. I think it really  can't be other way round because I think that Flemeth/Mythal really can't save his people. It has to be Solas. Maybe because Flemeth/Mythal isn't as powerful as Solas or there is some other reason.

 

I believe that he broke up with Lavellan because he couldn't risk his mission by telling her the truth about himself and what he is going to do because there is always a possibility that Lavellan wouldn't understand and she could stand againts him and I think he wouldn't bear that especially if there would a real fight between them when he would have no other choice than try to kill her.

[Patchwork]

The... you're real, that means everyone is real...line. 

There is a theory going about that Solas may plan to, reset time. If this is the case he can't believe anyone of the present is real because then he would be wiping out everyone that exists to put right what once was. For his own sanity he can't think like that. So to believe Lavellan is real would mean he is wiping her from existence too, something he would really regret. So breaking up with her would distance himself from those feelings or so he would hope.

 

Maybe not reset time but reset the elves? Make them magic wielding immortals again. It's killing all modern elves in a way and their current way of life but to Solas it would be restoring them to what they should be. 

[SnowPeaShooter]

If you have Solas with you when you go to Temple of Mythal, and you find Falon'Din's mosaic there, Solas tells Quizzy a tale of Falon'Din's vanity.

Here's a link 

 

Thanks! In my first playthough I was too hasty and in my second I just jumped the hole. I should really check out all the cornors!!

[SnowPeaShooter]

I think when he says that he should pay the price for his failure means that he should die instead of Flemeth/Mythal but because his people need him then he has no other choice than kill Flemeth. I think it really  can't be other way round because I think that Flemeth/Mythal really can't save his people. It has to be Solas. Maybe because Flemeth/Mythal isn't as powerful as Solas or there is some other reason.

 

I agree with most of what you said, though I don't think it was Solas' plan to kill Mythal, be it a longterm plan or just something that occurred to him after the orb broke. Mythal has said that "the time has come", and she has convinced Kieran to come with her (which ended in she taking his OG soul) because of that. Moreover, she was waiting for Solas. So I think it was her plan all along. She wanted to help "the people" just like Solas does, and for that she willingly gave her power to Solas, while passing on her godhood to Morrigan. 

[wiccame]

I really don't think Fen'Harel survived. Just at the moment Flemeth/Mythal said  'I am sorry too old friend', something happened to Solas, that green shimmer, the way his mood suddenly changed (before Flemeth slumped) and the flash in his eyes. The same flash Mythal had. 

I don't think she was giving him her soul, I think she swapped Fen'harel's with hers. She probably expected he'd do something so she did something first.

[Addai]

I agree with most of what you said, though I don't think it was Solas' plan to kill Mythal, be it a longterm plan or just something that occurred to him after the orb broke. Mythal has said that "the time has come", and she has convinced Kieran to come with her (which ended in she taking his OG soul) because of that. Moreover, she was waiting for Solas. So I think it was her plan all along. She wanted to help "the people" just like Solas does, and for that she willingly gave her power to Solas, while passing on her godhood to Morrigan.

Agreed except I think Mythal has her own agenda and she plans to use Fen'Harel to achieve it. Maybe they're more or less cooperating but both have their own ends, IMO.