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[Nefla]

I just want for us to see him again in a story DLC and this happens maybe he already knew about it and was skipping out on the child support

 

[Mims]

Agreed except I think Mythal has her own agenda and she plans to use Fen'Harel to achieve it. Maybe they're more or less cooperating but both have their own ends, IMO.

 

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. I don't think Mythal is uncaring about 'the people'. But if her goal was to help them, she's had quite a while to do so.

 

There's no way she gave up several thousand years worth of revenge plotting just because Solas asked her to. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I'm sorry for your loss but...

 

 

 

I can't help but drink your glorious tears. It gives me strength. It makes me stronger!

[Mims]

But it hurts so good. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

But it hurts so good. 

 

I know... I know...  Just let the pain course through your tear ducts. 

 

[Mims]

Haha, that is perfect. 

[Nefla]

I know... I know...  Just let the pain course through your tear ducts. 

 

It should have let you switch at that point lol you were a female elf, the sky was the limit! That bastard ruined you!

[ComedicSociopathy]

It should have let you switch at that point lol you were a female elf, the sky was the limit! That bastard ruined you!

 

Honestly, it was probably for the best. After you have a literal god pleasure you nothing else can possibly match.  

[Mims]

The break up is so late in the game that it is probably not worth pursuing another romance.

 

If they eventually follow up what is going on with Solas in DLC, it is also probably easier to only deal with two plot flags: romanced, and unromanced. Less dialogue they have to write and deal with. 

[SnowPeaShooter]

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. I don't think Mythal is uncaring about 'the people'. But if her goal was to help them, she's had quite a while to do so.

 

There's no way she gave up several thousand years worth of revenge plotting just because Solas asked her to. 

 

I remember in my playthrough, my quizzy asked her why did she not help her people, she replied something along the line of "what's done cannot be undone", then my quizzy asked why not help them now, she replied "you don't know what you are asking". Then she said something about "Mythal was betrayed like the world was betrayed". Finally, when asked what she wants now, she replied "for a reckoning that will shake heavens". 

 

So here are the things I gathered: 

1. Mythal was powerless to help the people then.

2. Helping them now would ruin her plan (for a "reckoning" I presume?)

3. She plans to seek justice (revenge) for Mythal and also maybe the world. But does the world not include the people?

 

I just think that her plan for a "reckoning" and the idea of potentially "helping the people" somehow may not be mutually exclusive, and that plan may share similarities with Solas' plan. Or, at the least, Mythal don't (should not) want to destroy the people further in the process of carrying out her plan. She has no conflict of interest with Solas.

 

I have to admit I tend to see these things under a brighter shade of light. It's just my perspective, but I really see the Elven Gods as great beings with merits as well as flaws, rather than complete ass***ls followed by cultists who worshiped nothing but power. I guess I will continue to see it this way until proven otherwise XD

[SnowPeaShooter]

I really don't think Fen'Harel survived. Just at the moment Flemeth/Mythal said  'I am sorry too old friend', something happened to Solas, that green shimmer, the way his mood suddenly changed (before Flemeth slumped) and the flash in his eyes. The same flash Mythal had. 

I don't think she was giving him her soul, I think she swapped Fen'harel's with hers. She probably expected he'd do something so she did something first.

 

If this is true, it will indeed be sad. How could the romance continue with no Solas?  TT_TT

[Mims]

My guess is Mythal is no longer all that interested in being worshipped, particularly after she saw the corruption that happened within the pantheon. Not to mention, there's every possibility she's not actually a god at all, and much of the mythos surrounding the elven gods was self created. As she says to Merrill, 'The People bend their knee too easily.' 

 

So, when the Dalish Inquisitor asks why she does not help- I think it is more that she is done with divine interventions. The people should guide themselves now. Her job, for better or worse, is getting justice for whatever wrong was done to the world. Which I imagine will ultimately help everyone. 

[Abelas Forever!]

I agree with most of what you said, though I don't think it was Solas' plan to kill Mythal, be it a longterm plan or just something that occurred to him after the orb broke. Mythal has said that "the time has come", and she has convinced Kieran to come with her (which ended in she taking his OG soul) because of that. Moreover, she was waiting for Solas. So I think it was her plan all along. She wanted to help "the people" just like Solas does, and for that she willingly gave her power to Solas, while passing on her godhood to Morrigan. 

I don't think Solas was planning to kill Mythal either. I think he joined the Inquisition so that he could use the inquisition to get the orb back but because it was destroyed he had no other choice than kill Flemeth/Mythal in order to get the power of Mythal and I think Mythal knew that because she was waiting for him. Because they both had the same goal and they could only achieve it if Solas would succeed in his mission I think she knew that she had no other option than to give her power to Solas and when that would happen she would die. I think that Mythal was trying to find Kieran earlier but she couldn't find him beause Morrigan hid him too well. So yes she was trying to help Solas by trying to get the soul of the OG. So maybe if the orb wasn't destroyed then maybe he would have only needed the soul of the OG and Mythal would be still alive.

 

 

Agreed except I think Mythal has her own agenda and she plans to use Fen'Harel to achieve it. Maybe they're more or less cooperating but both have their own ends, IMO.

I believe Mythal is dead because Solas was so sad when he took her power and Flemeth/Mythal collapsed on the ground. I think he wouldn't have been so sad if  she would have been alive. I think Mythal had her own goals as well and I think passing the godhood to Morrigan was her idea and I don't think Solas would have approved that.

[Gervaise]

My first play through I let Solas do most of the talking with Abelas since I knew he had a better grasp of elvish and ancient history than me.   My latest run through as male hunter Lavellan I took every elven prompt I could and so I ended up doing most of the talking.     Got a really stinging rebuke from him at the end of one conversation when he stated most emphatically "You are not of my People".   He also calls him "Shem" which I do not think was lazy writing where only a human Quizzy was originally written, but intentional on his part.   Yet later, when Solas spoke to him about joining up with others, he responded you mean "Elvhanen like you?", to which Solas responded "Yes."

 

You are never given the opportunity to discuss these exchanges with Solas but to me the meaning is clear, whatever Solas plans may be for "his People", I very much doubt he views the modern elves in that way.    He may love female Lavellan and respect male Lavellan and be astonished that the Dalish could have produced them but they are not the People he is trying to help and I think various posters may be right and whatever he plans to do may impact upon them, if nothing else because other races will not appreciate the difference.   

 

Unlike Solas, who has been taking a nap, Flemeth has been present and active in the world.    She did not possess the power to act as she would have liked and in any case was too late in the day to prevent the transformation of the elven race.   At least she was not as dismissive of the claim to kinship as Abelas but I think it probably is impossible to return the elves to what they were and if attempted would destroy them in the process.    Frankly, after all the revelations in DAI, my male Lavellan has given up on the "restore the ancient culture" idea and prefers to look to the future and forge something completely new for his People.

 

Female Lavellan is currently trying to stave off clinical depression.   With the big bad having been defeated, there is little major focus for her thoughts from the question "Why did he leave?"    She even feels guilty because she broke his wretched orb.   Hopefully a DLC will arrive before too long and take her mind off things.   Unless of course it does involve Solas in which case hopefully we'll get some answers.

 

I'm mindful of the fact that Solas' two boon companions in the Fade were Wisdom and Purpose.    Wisdom probably kept him grounded and prevented him doing anything really stupid (giving orb to Corypheus not withstanding since we don't know the details) but now she's gone he only has Purpose and that could be a very dangerous thing, particularly if he has the additional drive of the spirit of Mythal that is seeking a reckoning.

 

"Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference."      I think it is the last bit of the prayer that Solas currently sadly lacks.  

[Addai]

I believe Mythal is dead because Solas was so sad when he took her power and Flemeth/Mythal collapsed on the ground. I think he wouldn't have been so sad if  she would have been alive. I think Mythal had her own goals as well and I think passing the godhood to Morrigan was her idea and I don't think Solas would have approved that.

Everyone thought she was dead before, too. I wouldn't count her out, especially with the Morrigan handoff.

[Katsirae]

I think Solas falls into the hopeful hero who is dealing with the aftermath of his actions many of which he regrets and is punishing himself by pushing away a connection he craves beyond anything else but cannot accept until he fixes past wrongs.

[Gervaise]

Actually I think Morrigan will be the new Flemeth.   That is what Flemeth wanted for her.   She has the wisdom of the ancients now and if Flemeth has donated her godhood to her, then she will control the geas, whether she drank from the well or the Inquisitor did.     May be Flemeth was apologising to Solas because she has effectively set up Morrigan in opposition to him; Solas may well release the People from their bonds but Morrigan will lead the forces that achieve a reckoning with them on Mythal's behalf.    Flemeth wanted revenge but clearly lacked the means to achieve it, possibly because only the Dread Wolf could undo what he had done before and until he did they were beyond the reach of her vengeance.       You sort of get a taste of what could be in some of the exchanges between Solas and Morrigan and I think it is telling that Morrigan is the one who voiced the epilogue.  

[Abelas Forever!]

Everyone thought she was dead before, too. I wouldn't count her out, especially with the Morrigan handoff.

I know but the last scene just feels so final like her story really ended there.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Question is...

why did you romance Solas in the first place... I mean... Cullen?

[Addai]

Question is...

why did you romance Solas in the first place... I mean... Cullen?

Boooring.

[jellobell]

Question is...

why did you romance Solas in the first place... I mean... Cullen?

Cullen's adorable, but he's never appealed to me as an LI. I'll stick to him being my grumpy military adviser.

 

Solas, on the other hand, gave me a whole new appreciation for Dragon Age's lore and setting, and I'm eager to find out what comes next.

[SnowPeaShooter]

she says to Merrill, 'The People bend their knee too easily.' 

 

The people should guide themselves now.

 

Personally I do see the Elven Gods as "Gods", or at least in the same "God" category as the Maker. I don't think they are all-knowing and omnipresent though, just some great and powerful beings that got mixed up in the origin of the world and got worshiped by different people.

 

But I do agree completely with the things you said in my quote. The elves are too passive at times and too impulsive at other times. They lack leadership, lack sustainability, lack the balance of ambition and patience and action. The world was and still is harsh to them, but it's not the world's fault that they got devoured piece by piece because they dwelled in anger and self-pity too much. In ancient times they were probably ruled and protected by their god-kings and they were fine, but god-kings are never good because the people can't really aspire to become them. The people never grew enough to be responsible for themselves, so everything cracked when the god-kings were gone. Now they are still waiting for their gods to come back and lead them, and this is not healthy. Having their gods would help, but what they need the most now is a king. 

[I present Chuck Bass]

Boooring.

Oh please, Cullen is the man.

On a boring note though, BSN has been extremely dull these past few days.

[I present Chuck Bass]

Cullen's adorable, but he's never appealed to me as an LI. I'll stick to him being my grumpy military adviser.
 
Solas, on the other hand, gave me a whole new appreciation for Dragon Age's lore and setting, and I'm eager to find out what comes next.

True. I haven't romanced solas, and only a bit of Cullen so I really wouldn't know. I feel like the solas romance will only lead to more inquisitor heartbreak in future dlc, which would make me choose Cullen. I love a happy ending.
Josephine has my heart though so I always just end up romancing her....boring I know lol.