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Does the Inquisitor's survival hint at the existence of the Maker?


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All the OPs points are 100% viable and do seriously counter the notion that the anchor protected the Inquisitor AND Divine Justinia.

 

However, they do not prove or disprove the Maker's existence.

 

What they do point out is that neither Solas nor Corypheus knew why the Inquisitor truly survived.

 

The assumption based on ingame statements is that Solas thought Corypheus would die leaving him to safety reclaim a now unlocked orb.  Corypheus thought that since he's a "god" and can also respawn, he couldn't die or it didn't matter.

 

Nothing explains why Divine Justinia survived the explosion really.  Did she just fall in but the Wardens and Corypheus somehow didn't?  Was it because for the millisecond the Herald held the Orb, he/she was actually in control of it?  Did he/she inadvertently will himself/herself and the Divine to "safety" as an instinctive flight action?  Safety being "anywhere else but here" which brought them to the Fade.  Could that have been what caused the Breach?

 

Basically anything is possible:

 

-  It could have been the Maker.
-  It could have been the Orb/Anchor use and the Inquisitor's will at that moment.

-  It could have been that Faith Spirit all along.  Remember that the "real memories" show Justinia being pulled off into nothingness by the nightmares.  How could she be standing looking from the Breach after the Inquisitor emerged?  How did people see a woman there when Justinia was already "gone?"  Was the Faith Spirit born at that moment or was it always there observing powerful figures of faith?  Now observing a new figure of faith as the Herald is believed to be delivered by the woman (Andraste) in the Fade.

 

The Faith Spirit might have withheld some facts about the whole ordeal.  It showed you the truth of your lost memories, but downplayed your actual memories of it being there too.  Or it was just a plot oversight.  :P

 

Or, Justinia was never alive or there in the Fade.  She was burned up in the explosion.  It was always the Fade Spirit taking on her likeness and it couldn't come with you, because she's a spirit.  That's why she stopped and was "pulled away," only to be seen mysteriously as a strange womanly figure by onlookers that found the Herald.  This doesn't contravene the events or what she tells you about not being the "Maker's Chosen" either.  A Spirit of Faith is not a Spirit of Truth. A Spirits of Faith's demonic incarnation is probably a Demon of Lies.  :)

 

Some other things on my mind about the whole Breach event:

 

I don't think Solas was trying to figure out what the Mark was after the Breach when he attended the Herald.  He already knew what it was.  Remember Abelas immediately recognized the Mark so I think a god of his times would as well.  Which explains why he just sticks your hand into a Rift during the prologue frustratingly closing it.  I think Solas was trying to take the Anchor from you while you slept. The same way Corypheus tries to take it from you by force at Haven.  Both failed.

 

We never got a clear answer on how or when Corypheus "crafted" the Anchor too.  Did he make some sort of template which would create an anchor during the Ritual, or was the Anchor always in the Orb, but the ritual was a means to grant it to a false owner (aka not Solas/Fen'Harel)?

 

This would explain why Solas was so confident that Coypheus would be unsuccessful.  Fen'Harel's Orb was only supposed to grant Fen'Harel access to the anchor.  An Orb/Anchor he couldn't unlock since he didn't have the power.  Through ingenious tampering or his unique magical abilities, Corypheus bypassed the Orb's safety mechanisms and unlocked the anchor for anyone, only to permanently bind the anchor to the Inquisitor instead.

 

Who knows, but maybe the permanence of the anchor is what Corypheus was talking about when referring to "crafting" it.  He changed the anchor so he could use it and if he respawned the Anchor would be "anchored" to him forever.  If this was the case, the nature of his darkspawny tampering may somehow be why the Inquistor was able to survive and retain the Anchor from both Corypheus and Solas later.  Though we're back to the question of how did Justinia survive the Breach explosion if she did?

 

Whatever the truth is, the Herald having the Anchor likely left Solas at the mercy of the Inquisition's fate if he ever wanted to reclaim his power.

 

I think Solas/Fen'Harel was stumped by this point and for the entire plot of DAI. Getting the Orb back and keeping the Inquisitor/anchor alive are priority number one until he figured out what to do next.  We all know that didn't pan out well.  Maybe with the power of Mythal he can take back the anchor and maybe unravel this mystery as to how the Inquisitor survived.


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Captmorgan72

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Solas knew unlocking the power of his orb would create an arcane explosion and he was counting on it killing Corypheus. Instead the Inquisitor was holding it when it unlocked and somehow was transported to the Fade. I don't think that Solas would have allowed Corypheus to unlock the orb if he knew that it was possible for Corypheus to transport himself to the Fade by unlocking it. I don't believe that the orb/anchor is what brought the Inquisitor to the Fade. I don't think that was Justinia either that helped the Inquisitor escape the Fade. I think that Justinia was killed in the explosion with everyone else. What we saw was a spirit of faith, the same one that helps us later. 



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Hmm, interesting question.

 

Is there a Maker, and if there is, was he responsible for saving the Inq, for some yet unknown reason?

 

Maybe there is, but if such a being exists, I don’t think it’s the Maker we know from the Chantry’s racist/mage hate filled chant.

 

Either way, I don’t think the Chantry’s version of the Maker intervened at the Temple. By that logic, Solas, who is the only thing that kept the Inq alive long enough for him to use the mark that makes him The Herald of Andraste/Maker's Chosen after he returned from the Fade is also an agent of the Maker. 



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Wulfram

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The existence of a mystery doesn't really suggest the existence of the Maker any more than it suggests anything else.

I found the whole Herald of Andraste thing rather disappointing really - there was just never any real reason presented to buy the whole thing, even in character, it was all just people going

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because they half glimpsed a woman in the fade.

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Ahriman

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Amount of proved fakes in the Chantry increases with every game, but existence of Maker remains to be purely faith thing. Even if we discard plot shield/anchor reasons for Inqy's survival what shows on Maker here? It could be anything: Dumat, Flemeth, Golden Nag, Sandal or whatever. Anyway

It's about faith. They give you enough lore and information for you to say that you believe in he maker through faith. think of it like real life, there is no scientific proof of God, yet people believe he is real, through faith. The devs are trying to draw the same scenario in the game



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i think there is some truth to the maker. In DAO if i remember correctly, we hear the makers first children where in the fade. However as of DAI we find out the fade is a creation of Solas. So could the makers first children be in fact the old Elves?



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Simply put, Quizzy happened to grab the orb at the very moment it bestowed the Anchor and, so he got the anchor and that alone let him survive the conclave. 

Corypheus was unlocking the orb, not creating the anchor. Do you think that Solas would have allowed Corypheus to unlock his orb if he knew that the anchor would be branded on whoever unlocked it? Solas was counting on Corypheus's destruction by unlocking the orb. Some higher power branded the Inquisitor and sent him/her to the Fade before the explosion. Then there are the spirits that help the Inquisitor. The female form that rises in the Well of Sorrows to protect the Inquisitor, the female form in the Fade and Cole if Envy attempts to possess the Inquisitor. Someone or something powerful was always watching over the Inquisitor. The Maker? Maybe.