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[dsl08002]

This is what I have been saying. it doesn't have that flare that dragon age 2 and dragon age origins had.

But to be honest Dragon age inquisition has more in common with SWTOR when it comes to gameplay, story and presentaion

[LPPrince]

I don't know, Bioware wants to find a medium between Origins and DA2's gameplay as well as the changes they made in Inquisition 

 

It obviously does need some tweaks to get better

 

 

Not in my opinion.

 

The thing is both DA2 and DA:I felt like experiments to me... a way of trying to establish a marriage between traditional RPG elements and the more modern sense of a 'cinematic' game experience. I would say DA:I came pretty close to perfecting this formula, but it still falls short on a number of issues that have since been covered many a time.

 

 

Well, I made a thread for this particular subject so it doesn't cloud this one, and we can go deeper.

[In Exile]

You know what I like about Elder Scrolls? The fact that whether I fire up Arena, Morrowind, or Skyrim, I feel like it is the same game. If they weren't the same, I don't think I could think of them as Elder Scroll games.

Really? Because Morrowind is almost nothing like Skyrim. There are no exclusive guilds, all the mechanics are simplified, the combat difficulty is needed, etc.

[King Cousland]

 

 

_{Oh look. Another person who says it's not a Dragon Age game because it's not Dragon Age: Origins.}

 

Oh look, another person who derives an absurd sense of superiority from the fact they enjoyed a product more than somebody else. 

 

Dragon Age: Origins was a superb game. It laid the foundations for the series' characters, lore and general tone and remains the most popular installment in the franchise thus far. It's perfectly natural that many of us seek a return to Origins' style and are baffled as to why BioWare so ardently fend off such a return. 

[Eonetic]

Okay, don't go that far. Bioware's DA team is fine. Disagree with some of their decisions if you must, but don't imply they aren't good at their jobs.

But they arent good at it.

 

-Level Design is atrocious.

It seems they designed large open maps because that is in at the moment but with no idea of what actually should be in them and so in order for there to even be a reason to traverse these lands they filled them with shallow fetch quests.

 

-Animation.

self-explanatory.

 

-Writing.

Retcons left right and centre,Corypheus -.- some of the most cheesy and out of touch humor i have ever come across.

 

-Modeling

Hairs,armors,environments,characters all suffer from sloppy modelling.

Let's not forget elf body models.

 

I know there are many very good people working at BioWare but unfortunately they are overshadowed but the bad and mediocre ones.

 

Ultimately Dragon Age Inquisition feels like a very high budget game made by a bunch of amateurs.

[Scofield]

It's also not a True Scotsman.

Hey leave us out of it

[Dieb]

 

_{Oh look. Another person who says it's not a Dragon Age game because it's not Dragon Age: Origins.}

 

Oh look, another person who derives an absurd sense of superiority from the fact they enjoyed a product more than somebody else. 

 

Dragon Age: Origins was a superb game. [...]

 

To defuse this next preferential debate, aren't both of you basically guilty as charged?

 

If it's any help, my favourite happens to be the one mocked in your signature. I also hate neither; I just think if you both joined forces to destroy me, there could be love.

[Hiemoth]

Even if DAI is my least favorite of the DA games so far, I still do consider it a DA game and the writer of the article doesn't really provide anything concrete or even consistent in his argument. However, I do think the question itself does touch on a larger question in that there is really nothing which clearly defines the DA games outside the setting as all three games have taken such different approaches. The lack of tactics is perhaps the only central change that was present in both previous games, but that wasn't really game defining and, even though I hate the lack of them, I can see how it is a consequence of the change in the larger system.

[Melca36]

Yep, its what some people tend do, I've seen the same thing with Civilization and other series. Its just human nature.

True.

It was actually far worse for DA2 and I think theres a group of people pissed off about that.

[cronshaw]

Sorry for the terrible headline - it captures the idea but with a bit too much baggage.

I liked this article because I think it very much captures the ambivalence that it seems a good number of people feel. It IS a good game, and addictive (if varying in fun level). The article talks about how it has so many disparate pieces that are kind of shallow (quests, cameos, mentions of old characters, etc), without really capturing that deep feeling of the other two games (both combat wise and story/character wise, with some exceptions). Perhaps a new IP entirely would have been better suited to this style of world (open, exploration, MMO combat).

http://www.twinfinit...ition-not-good/

I feel like the millions of GOTY awards is going to end up covering up the legitimate issues that the game encountered (dilution of story, combat, especially).

 "He believes gamers should spend more time having fun instead of complaining and making cynical criticism."

from the writer's own blurbography

[AlanC9]

Really? Because Morrowind is almost nothing like Skyrim. There are no exclusive guilds, all the mechanics are simplified, the combat difficulty is needed, etc.

Well, "feel" is subjective by definition, isn't it?

[Little Princess Peach]

Isn't a True Dragon Age Game?

 

They don't explaine what makes  Dragon age game a Dragon age game, what dose it mean not a true DA game anyways?

was DA supposed to have something specisfic or what?

[King Cousland]

To defuse this next preferential debate, aren't both of you basically guilty as charged?

 

If it's any help, my favourite happens to be the one mocked in your signature. I also hate neither; I just think if you both joined forces to destroy me, there could be love.

 

I don't hate any of the installments in the series, nor do I disparage people who like different things than me. I loved Origins, disliked DA II and am lukewarm towards Inquisition. 

[leaguer of one]

"Bioware tried to cater for all kinds of players at the same time, which ended up being weird for everyone."

 

I agree.

 

The game is enjoyable, loveable as far as I'm concerned, & even the dreaded multiplayer is suprisingly fun - but I never lost this lingering sense of weirdness. Something is off since the beginning, and it never really stops. After +90 hours and four months, every evening I boot it up, it feels as strange as a new game, and it never truly became "familiar".

 

That's not a complaint, not even criticism. Heck if I know what it is.

 

 

EDIT: Since apparently the above is like-worthy, I'd like to point out I disagree with the headline of the article. I just agree with this one thing.

Wrong. Sorry but this game is not doing that. Anyone who says this about dai never played Bulders gate.

[Nefla]

Yep and when DA4 comes out people will whine and complain about it as well. Its the same old song.

Isn't that what the forums were created for? My cat doesn't care when I whine and complain to her, I need other disappointed people to whine in unison with!

[leaguer of one]

But they arent good at it.

 

-Level Design is atrocious.

It seems they designed large open maps because that is in at the moment but with no idea of what actually should be in them and so in order for there to even be a reason to traverse these lands they filled them with shallow fetch quests.

 

-Animation.

self-explanatory.

 

-Writing.

Retcons left right and centre,Corypheus -.- some of the most cheesy and out of touch humor i have ever come across.

 

-Modeling

Hairs,armors,environments,characters all suffer from sloppy modelling.

Let's not forget elf body models.

 

I know there are many very good people working at BioWare but unfortunately they are overshadowed but the bad and mediocre ones.

 

Ultimately Dragon Age Inquisition feels like a very high budget game made by a bunch of amateurs.

AKA ignore me. I'm just going to embellish things I'm nick picking on.

[leaguer of one]

Oh look, another person who derives an absurd sense of superiority from the fact they enjoyed a product more than somebody else. 

 

Dragon Age: Origins was a superb game. It laid the foundations for the series' characters, lore and general tone and remains the most popular installment in the franchise thus far. It's perfectly natural that many of us seek a return to Origins' style and are baffled as to why BioWare so ardently fend off such a return. 

Seriously, as great as origins is it still a flawed game. Most people who want origins 2 are just people who want to murder knife everything in the game.

[Vilegrim]

Seriously, as great as origins is it still a flawed game. Most people who want origins 2 are just people who want to murder knife everything in the game.

Combat should have been sped up 10% or so, non mages buffed a bit...that's about it that I can think of.

[Eonetic]

AKA ignore me. I'm just going to embellish things I'm nick picking on.

What are you talking about? these are major parts of the game.

[In Exile]

Combat should have been sped up 10% or so, non mages buffed a bit...that's about it that I can think of.

 

Buffing up non-mages would just have turned a joke of a difficulty curve into an even bigger one. It's not clear what could have been done to DA:O without nerfing the mages. 

[leaguer of one]

What are you talking about? these are major parts of the game.

Not really. Everything you listed as bad is subjective.(Out side of animations and Hair.)

And there are not retcons in the story. Nothing stated in thestory conflicts with what was previously establish or stated. And your complaint about the maps make it clear you never played bulder's gate or many open world games.

[King Cousland]

Seriously, as great as origins is it still a flawed game. Most people who want origins 2 are just people who want to murder knife everything in the game.

 

Of course it's flawed, there's no such thing as perfection. While its flaws need to be addressed, they are nonetheless both fewer and less significant than in its successors, however. 

 

Your assessment of Origins fans is also misplaced, given that most I've seen (including myself) are largely motivated by a desire to return to choice-based plots with varied solutions, in contrast with quests in DA II and, to some extent, Inquisition, in which combat is often the sole outcome of a quest.

[In Exile]

Good, you got the read between the lines message.

 

That was too subtle for me.