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[Flowingchesthair]

I've gotten waaay too invested in Solas's romance and I still think it was 100% worth it. Gave me a whole new appreciation of DA's lore and worldbuilding.

 

I'd say go for it if you're into the story, because Solas is very plot-centric. And definitely go for it if you find his character intriguing, because it shows you a side to him that you don't otherwise get to see.

 

And it's very ace-friendly. Solas himself doesn't come off as asexual but the romance itself, while passionate, feels primarily focused on his admiration of the Inquisitor as a person. So while sex is an important part of most of the other romances, here it just doesn't factor in, because the romance isn't really about the physical aspect.

 

He's plot-centric? Does romancing Solas have an impact on the story in any way?

 

I only know a little bit about him (from what I read previous to Inquisition's release and from people who mention him to me in person), but he seems like an interesting character. I thought it was strange that he only would romance a female elf, but I guess that ties in with his story?

[Arakat]

What I love about Josephine's romance is that it feels like it's from an old-fashioned adventure story. Or from a Disney movie, in a good way.

[Korva]

Attraction =/= Appeal.

It's important to make that distinction.

 

I find certain women very appealing to look at. My Math teacher in High School. Sofia Vergara. However, I'm not attracted to them at all.

 

[snip]

 

Any heterosexual man who consistently works out enjoys the sight of his own body. I would assume he also likes his penis (unless he's overcompensating ). Does that make him attracted to his body or gay or bi? No... he just finds the male body appealing.

 

That's a very good and helpful explanation, yes.

 

"Appealing" can have different sub-categories, too. Purely visual aesthetics. Voice. Personality. Vibrancy. One doesn't need to want to have sex with someone to feel drawn to them for any of these reasons, or to recognize them as feeling special in some way -- nor does that special feeling have to result in romantic feelings, either. Some asexuals like romance, some don't and are purely into deep platonic bonds instead.

 

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He's plot-centric? Does romancing Solas have an impact on the story in any way?

 

No, none of them do (second-hand knowledge here, since I didn't and won't do the romances). But Solas is one of the core NPCs, one of the few who won't leave and can't be kicked out no matter what. Saying more would go heavily into spoiler territory, so let's just say he's the second NPC you meet (the first being the other core character, Cassandra) and he has good reasons for sticking it out with you until the end. Beyond the generic "the world is ending, anyone with any sense will try to stop that nonsense since we all like living" reason, that is.

[zambingo]

The problem here is probably that your first post did sound sort of prescriptive, even if that wasn't your intention.

No judgments were made, my post offered explanation to a question about another user's post. The issue is semantics and comprehension. To be offended at what I wrote is a choice which ignores context.

[Flowingchesthair]

Tragic might be overstating it a bit, since that implies something far worse than just having a lot of feelings wrapped up into it. I don't know that anyone who has romanced Solas has outright regretted it, and without spoiling stuff, who knows what the future holds? It's a beautiful romance and it allows you to really understand Solas as a character and person. Also has that added bit of story flavor as far as elves are concerned.

 

Make a female elf and see who catches your fancy best is what I'd suggest. Josephine and Solas are both good for having non-sexual content, though as has been stated there are a few passionate kisses with Solas.

 

"Tragic" is just a word a friend used to describe his romance, and she told me that she did regret romancing him (I believe she said she should've romanced Bull), but I think that's just becuase she was upset or something.

 

Yeah, I plan to make a female elf rogue. I'll see what happens with her.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Josephine sounds awesome. I wasn't aware that she could be percieved as demisexual or asexual, which is pretty neat. Thanks for the information.

Yep. When asked about whether Josephine could be seen as asexual or demisexual as well as bisexual, this was her writer Sylvia's response. 

 

You could certainly interpret the romance that way if you wanted. I deliberately left exactly how intimate the player and Josephine become ambiguous because I wanted people to be able to decide the level of intimacy, and when it starts, for themselves. (I wrote a one-time post on the forums about it: http://forum.bioware.../?p=17821638…).Basically, if you would like that to be canon for your Inquisitor, I believe the text supports that. I hope that helps!

[Flowingchesthair]

Iron bull is more about the humor, not taking sex too seriously and about who's the boss when. Bull offers quizzy a chance to relax and let someone else be in control now and then and, in between it's a lot of playful slaps and kisses, nothing heavy except really only one scene and, maybe the second if you choose to make it that way, but it can be made humorous. Because of what Bull says, quizzy knows Bull does not think you have to have sex to show you love someone. I head cannon it as quizzy occasionally giving in because loves how happy it makes Bull when he submits - I mean who wouldn't love having the Inquisitor be your slave for an hour or so? Then he turns it to a laugh, so it's cool.

 

Even the repeatable kiss scene, quizzy just shakes his head as if to say "What am I going to do with this big oaf? Good thing I love him."

 

I like Iron Bull's character (what I know of him and what a couple of my friends said about him) but someone here mentioned he has some sort of kink? No one clarified that for me.

[Arakat]

I like Iron Bull's character (what I know of him and what a couple of my friends said about him) but someone here mentioned he has some sort of kink? No one clarified that for me.

 

I'm really not the person to explain this, but he seems to be into BDSM, and insists on being the dominating party during sex.

[Teligth]

Ehhhh... "kink factor"? What? I might regret asking that.

 

I didn't expect there to be expicit outright sex. I mostly just don't like the mentioning of sex when I'm roleplaying my Inquisitor as asexual.

 

Yeah they establish safe words, but if you are going for one Jossie might be the best one as i've not seen the Solas one yet. The most you do with her is kiss and that probably best you can hope for out of all the romance options. I was a bit blown away too see some topless characters.

[Flowingchesthair]

 

Yep. When asked about whether Josephine could be seen as asexual or demisexual as well as bisexual, this was her writer Sylvia's response. 

 

You could certainly interpret the romance that way if you wanted. I deliberately left exactly how intimate the player and Josephine become ambiguous because I wanted people to be able to decide the level of intimacy, and when it starts, for themselves. (I wrote a one-time post on the forums about it: http://forum.bioware.../?p=17821638…).Basically, if you would like that to be canon for your Inquisitor, I believe the text supports that. I hope that helps!

 

 

Oh, wow, that's pretty cool of Sylvia. I love when writers leave certain things ambiguous. Thanks for showing that to me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh, wow, that's pretty cool of Sylvia. I love when writers leave certain things ambiguous. Thanks for showing that to me.

Yeah, as a demisexual who wants to wait until marriage I appreciated that as well. You're welcome.

[jellobell]

I like Iron Bull's character (what I know of him and what a couple of my friends said about him) but someone here mentioned he has some sort of kink? No one clarified that for me.

Bull engages in (what I assume is) a BDSM relationship with the Inquisitor. Safe word and everything. The Inquisitor is also always the submissive, which is why I steered clear of the romance. My Inquisitor never submits to anybody. I'd have been fine if Bull had agreed to change it up at bit, but he acts like he knows exactly what the Inquisitor needs, which I really didn't like.

 

He's plot-centric? Does romancing Solas have an impact on the story in any way?

 

I only know a little bit about him (from what I read previous to Inquisition's release and from people who mention him to me in person), but he seems like an interesting character. I thought it was strange that he only would romance a female elf, but I guess that ties in with his story?

The reason why he's gated to elves will make sense, yes.

 

Romancing him doesn't change the story, but gives you a lot of insight into his character. Other than that I'd recommend you just seeing for yourself.

[Flowingchesthair]

I'm really not the person to explain this, but he seems to be into BDSM, and insists on being the dominating party during sex.

 

Oh, BDSM. That's much better than what I was thinking, (joking)

[Sui Causa]

I like Iron Bull's character (what I know of him and what a couple of my friends said about him) but someone here mentioned he has some sort of kink? No one clarified that for me.

Iron Bull is a service dom, and his relationship has BDSM themes. Iron Bull set's safe words, lays out the relationship and the rules of it very clearly, etc. He is a dom though, and that doesn't change. So you are choosing to be the submissive in that relationship if you pursue it. How heavy the BDSM is entirely how much you as a player/your Inquisitor wants it to be in head-canon, because of Bull's nature as a character. Service dom. The way he explains it and everything is really very nice for people who are into it, but an asexual character wouldn't make it past the first scene with Iron Bull, lol. (And awesomely enough, he's very very easy going about it if you bail out and abandon ship during it.) His romance is not the 50 Shades that everyone associates with BDSM.

 

They temper his romance with a lot of humor and do it with a very take it easy approach. It respects people who like the lifestyle, as well as makes it more approachable for people who are tentative about the whole subject. Overall, it's a very good romance, but like I said the first time, not for a non-sexual character or player at all.

[Flowingchesthair]

Bull engages in (what I assume is) a BDSM relationship with the Inquisitor. Safe word and everything. The Inquisitor is also always the submissive, which is why I steered clear of the romance. My Inquisitor never submits to anybody. I'd have been fine if Bull had agreed to change it up at bit, but he acts like he knows exactly what the Inquisitor needs, which I really didn't like.

 

The reason why he's gated to elves will make sense, yes.

 

Romancing him doesn't change the story, but gives you a lot of insight into his character. Other than that I'd recommend you just seeing for yourself.

 

I can see why that might be a put off for plenty of people, myself included.

 

As for Solas, regardless of whether his romance changes the story, I think I'm leaning on romancing him for my first playthrough.

[Korva]

Yep. When asked about whether Josephine could be seen as asexual or demisexual as well as bisexual, this was her writer Sylvia's response. 

 

You could certainly interpret the romance that way if you wanted. I deliberately left exactly how intimate the player and Josephine become ambiguous because I wanted people to be able to decide the level of intimacy, and when it starts, for themselves. (I wrote a one-time post on the forums about it: http://forum.bioware.../?p=17821638…).Basically, if you would like that to be canon for your Inquisitor, I believe the text supports that. I hope that helps!

 

That is really neat, and good to know. I wish more romances were allowed to be ambiguous if the player chooses it, or let us skip the physical aspects. Not all, obviously, since it wouldn't fit every character, but it's a good step.

 

BTW that link doesn't work for (me, at least), it just sends me to the main forum page.

[Flowingchesthair]

Iron Bull is a service dom, and his relationship has BDSM themes. Iron Bull set's safe words, lays out the relationship and the rules of it very clearly, etc. He is a dom though, and that doesn't change. So you are choosing to be the submissive in that relationship if you pursue it. How heavy the BDSM is entirely how much you as a player/your Inquisitor wants it to be in head-canon, because of Bull's nature as a character. Service dom. The way he explains it and everything is really very nice for people who are into it, but an asexual character wouldn't make it past the first scene with Iron Bull, lol. (And awesomely enough, he's very very easy going about it if you bail out and abandon ship during it.) His romance is not the 50 Shades that everyone associates with BDSM.

 

They temper his romance with a lot of humor and do it with a very take it easy approach. It respects people who like the lifestyle, as well as makes it more approachable for people who are tentative about the whole subject. Overall, it's a very good romance, but like I said the first time, not for a non-sexual character or player at all.

 

As much as I like what I know of Bull, I think I'll pass on his romance. It probably wouldn't make much sense for my Inquisitor to romance him.

 

A question for anyone who wants to answer: Not many people mentioned Cassandra. I'm guessing her romance scene is a bit more explicit than the others? Before her orientation was revealed (I don't often play as male characters) I was totally wanting to romance her.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

That is really neat, and good to know. I wish more romances were allowed to be ambiguous if the player chooses it, or let us skip the physical aspects. Not all, obviously, since it wouldn't fit every character, but it's a good step.

 

BTW that link doesn't work for (me, at least), it just sends me to the main forum page.

Yeah. Hopefully this game is a sign that they will continue to do this in future games rather than mandatory sex scenes, or at least for a few characters. 

 

Oh, yeah it doesn't seem to be working. Here is the post she is referring to. 

 

Sylv F, on 20 Nov 2014 - 4:50 PM, said:

 

Hi everyone. I’m Josephine’s writer. As a rule I don’t post here, but I thought I’d make an exception to talk about my intentions with Josephine’s romance, mostly because people seem curious about it.

In the previous romance I wrote (Liara in ME3) there was a more explicit sex scene near the end of the character’s arc. I wanted to try something different for DA:I – have the intimate moment be earlier, be implied rather than seen, and leave the level of intimacy ambiguous so players could fill in what they wanted. The scene where the Inquisitor kisses Josephine for the first time and the screen fades to black is, to my mind, the first place they may be physically together… or it may just end in a kiss. That part I wanted to be interpreted more by players, not myself.

 

Anyhow, I know devs posting in threads can derail topics something fierce, so this will probably be my only post. I do want to thank you guys for the thread and for the kind words I’ve seen. Hope you’re enjoying the game!

[Arakat]

As much as I like what I know of Bull, I think I'll pass on his romance. It probably wouldn't make much sense for my Inquisitor to romance him.

 

A question for anyone who wants to answer: Not many people mentioned Cassandra. I'm guessing her romance scene is a bit more explicit than the others? Before her orientation was revealed (I don't often play as male characters) I was totally wanting to romance her.

 

You see her and the Inquisitor lying side by side naked, at least. It's not really more explicit than the other sex scenes, since you can see topless women in a couple of romances, but yeah, there's definitely sex happening.

[Flowingchesthair]

You see her and the Inquisitor lying side by side naked, at least. It's not really more explicit than the other sex scenes, since you can see topless women in a couple of romances, but yeah, there's definitely sex happening.

 

Ah, all right. Thanks for telling me.

[Korva]

@Hanako: Awesome, thank you. I dearly hope the whinging about how Josie isn't a "real" romance because she doesn't "give it up" and therefor it's all "pointless" or "childish" didn't upset her writer too much ... and that it doesn't mean there won't be future opportunities for the writers to do something like this again.

[Iakus]

 

Yep. When asked about whether Josephine could be seen as asexual or demisexual as well as bisexual, this was her writer Sylvia's response. 

 

You could certainly interpret the romance that way if you wanted. I deliberately left exactly how intimate the player and Josephine become ambiguous because I wanted people to be able to decide the level of intimacy, and when it starts, for themselves. (I wrote a one-time post on the forums about it: http://forum.bioware.../?p=17821638…).Basically, if you would like that to be canon for your Inquisitor, I believe the text supports that. I hope that helps!

 

Yeah the closest thing Josephine has to a sex scene is when she and the Inquisitor are sitting on a couch with her head on the Inquisitor's chest.  Both are fully clothed.  It's totally up to you what you think happens next.

[MrMrPendragon]

Josie doesn't put out.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Hanako: Awesome, thank you. I dearly hope the whinging about how Josie isn't a "real" romance because she doesn't "give it up" and therefor it's all "pointless" or "childish" didn't upset her writer too much ... and that it doesn't mean there won't be future opportunities for the writers to do something like this again.

You're welcome.

She doesn't seem bothered by the negative reaction. This was a story she wanted to write, and it sounds like she and the others on Team Josie are proud of their work. 

Plus Gaider even said this was a route they are looking into so asexual players can enjoy the romance arcs as well. 

[Sui Causa]

As much as I like what I know of Bull, I think I'll pass on his romance. It probably wouldn't make much sense for my Inquisitor to romance him.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to suggest it was, just explaining why it is most definitely not a romance for a non-sexual relationship haha. He's got his cute and fluffy too, but it's not what you're looking for.

 

I'd say for a first playthrough do Solas. It will give you the most impact out of parts of the story. (Avoid the Solas thread, and any other places where you might get spoiler'd.) Then when you're recovering, want to play again, and need some happy snuggles to take away the heartache, go Josephine.