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[Mihura]

Do we even know what the reason was outside of fan speculation?

 

No but then why did they put it there? just "because"? I am not that gullible.

And to tell you the true I hate that option. Bioware should own up their problematic characters.

[AresKeith]

No but then why did they put it there? just "because"? I am not that gullible.

And to tell you the true I hate that option. Bioware should own up their problematic characters.

 

Anders says hi

[BananaDePijama]

I never thought about romancing Sera...

 

When i finally decided to try it out, this happens:

 

 

Blackwall: How are you two?

Sera: Me and TEETNESS? Good Yeah?

Sera: I mean, we're boney, so it's a little clackety-clackety-clackety.

Inqui: Laughs

 

After that... Dayum. I fell in love with her

[Phoe77]

Seeing the stuff about her diary makes me a bit interested in the idea of romancing her.  I never actually said it, but I think that she can be sweet despite her shortcomings.  I think that her reaction when you find her during In Hushed Whispers  and her statement that she doesn't want to to just be another scary mage are actually touching in their own way.

[Addai]

If you are an elf, her journal is even more interesting. She gets a book to "learn elfy stuff" for you. Sera? Learn elfy stuff? 
 
These are not the words and actions of a woman who is stubborn and incapable or closed to change. She has really real reasons why she is the way she is, and that includes why she might say one thing while doing another privately. At her heart, she's scared, she's alone, and she's very insecure. But that she went out of her way to "learn elfy stuff" for my Inquisitor? *sigh* My Inquisitor baked love heart shaped cookies that night.

That's very sweet but this is someone who needs a parent, not a lover. Her romance is downright creepy.

[Mihura]

Anders says hi

 

Hey at least he was always part of the plot and you cannot expel him just because. That is why I really do not get what was the point of Sera's character.

[Ryriena]

Anders says hi

Also he lets Hawke decide his fate at the end of DA2 by the murder knife if you so chose to kil him, and what Mihura said also.

[AresKeith]

Hey at least he was always part of the plot and you cannot expel him just because. That is why I really do not get what was the point of Sera's character.

 

Instead you get the option to turn him in and nothing happens because plot 

 

And like I said early, not every companion is there to be apart of the part some are there to give perspectives that are opposite to your own

 

That's very sweet but this is someone who needs a parent, not a lover. Her romance is downright creepy.

 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And to tell you the true I hate that option. Bioware should own up their problematic characters.

 

Just because you don't like a character, it doesn't mean that BioWare has something to answer for.

[jlb524]

Instead you get the option to turn him in and nothing happens because plot 

 

And like I said early, not every companion is there to be apart of the part some are there to give perspectives that are opposite to your own

 

 

It seems the special plot important characters are the most liked by the fans, in general.    Probably because they are more integrated into the story and it's easier to feel an emotional connection to them.  

 

I would then say that non-plot important characters have to go the extra mile to justify their existence (so, they must be likeable or provide something else of value).

[Mihura]

Instead you get the option to turn him in and nothing happens because plot 

 

And like I said early, not every companion is there to be apart of the part some are there to give perspectives that are opposite to your own

 

 

 

I think we are repeating each other, my problem in not the plot characters but having the option to expel them all the time and not even being that important. Sera is the only character with that option.

Also she is literary the only companion that has a personal story that is not personal, it is about her organizations and hate of nobles, there is no one important in that mission to her or even some arc of redemption that explains her motives.

This gave the impression that the writers did not even knew what they were doing with Sera or how to approach her development alas the option to be the only character to be expel.
 

 

Just because you don't like a character, it doesn't mean that BioWare has something to answer for.

 

 

Sure they do, for all their talk about inclusiveness, having an option to kick Sera that is one of the few female companions and a lesbian is really bad.

My point is, they knew what they were doing, she is not suppose to be liked.

[AresKeith]

It seems the special plot important characters are the most liked by the fans, in general.    Probably because they are more integrated into the story and it's easier to feel an emotional connection to them.  

 

I would then say that non-plot important characters have to go the extra mile to justify their existence (so, they must be likeable or provide something else of value).

 

That's actually why I like the current companions in Inquisition (specifically Vivienne and Sera)

[Fiery Phoenix]

It seems the special plot important characters are the most liked by the fans, in general.    Probably because they are more integrated into the story and it's easier to feel an emotional connection to them. 

May also have something to do with those characters having appeared in previous installments. In Inquisition, a good number of the plot-important characters are returning faces.

[ComedicSociopathy]

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Sure they do, for all their talk about inclusiveness, having an option to kick Sera that is one of the few female companions and a lesbian is really bad.

My point is, they knew what they were doing, she is not suppose to be liked.

 

You're doubling down that they owe you something because you didn't like a character? And what does her being female or a lesbian have to do with anything?

 

Plenty of people like Sera. You are claiming that BioWare owes you because you don't like her. When you reach adulthood, you will find that approaching situations with the demand that people give you what you like or else they owe you doesn't go over very well.

[Mihura]

You're doubling down that they owe you something because you didn't like a character? And what does her being female or a lesbian have to do with anything?

 

Plenty of people like Sera. You are claiming that BioWare owes you because you don't like her. When you reach adulthood, you will find that approaching situations with the demand that people give you what you like or else they owe you doesn't go over very well.

 

I really do not know what you are talking about. Being condescending and twisting my words is not going to help you. Where did I said they own me anything personally? but they sure are going to be criticized by doing shitty things.

What I said is that they knew what they were doing with Sera, that is why she has an expel button, the minimal is not putting that there just like any other companion.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I think we are repeating each other, my problem in not the plot characters but having the option to expel them all the time and not even being that important. Sera is the only character with that option.

Also she is literary the only companion that has a personal story that is not personal, it is about her organizations and hate of nobles, there is no one important in that mission to her or even some arc of redemption that explains her motives.

This gave the impression that the writers did not even knew what they were doing with Sera or how to approach her development alas the option to be the only character to be expel.
 

 

 

 

Sure they do, for all their talk about inclusiveness, having an option to kick Sera that is one of the few female companions and a lesbian is really bad.

My point is, they knew what they were doing, she is not suppose to be liked.

 

Her hate of the nobility is actually deeply personal and has little to nothing to do with her connection to the Red Jennies. Also, her rooftop scene pretty much explains why she hates them and the Dalish. She really hates pride and pretension and sees that in both groups.

 

Basically, that scene replaces the apparently mandatory emotional companion quest in terms of explaining her actions and revealing one of her many insecurities.

 

That said, her being the only companion with a expulsion option is stupid and should have been there for all companions minus Cassandra, Varric and Solas. 

[stop_him]

Her hate of the nobility is actually deeply personal and has little to nothing to do with her connection to the Red Jennies. Also, her rooftop scene pretty much explains why she hates them and the Dalish. she really hates pride and pretension and sees that in both groups.

 

Basically, that scene replaces the apparently mandatory emotional companion quest in terms of explaining her actions and revealing one of her many insecurities.

 

That said, her being the only companion with a expulsion option is stupid and should have been there for all companions minus Cassandra, Varric and Solas. 

As should have the "punch in the face" option. I imagine some people could punch Sera all day. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

As should have the "punch in the face" option. I imagine some people could punch Sera all day. 

 

Unlike Solas and Dorian I'm guessing if you try to punch Sera she'll try to kill you immediately afterwards.

 

The woman has no problem with self-destructive escalation.  

[Obsidian Gryphon]

What I said is that they knew what they were doing with Sera, that is why she has an expel button, the minimal is not putting that there just like any other companion.

 

I would agree. Sera is described as street-smart who deliberately set out to reflect defiance of her elven heritage in the way she dresses ( a statement that she belongs to herself, nowhere, no-one?) Her nature is also described as crude (notes taken from the Art of DAI book). I find Sera too thorny.  She's deliberately written that way as a stark contrast to the rest of the companions from DAO to DAI. With personality, morality clashes with the PC all too likely and a question of her suitability in a notable organization, the logical assumption is that such cooperation wouldn't last long.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I really do not know what you are talking about. Being condescending and twisting my words is not going to help you. Where did I said they own me anything personally?

 

Twisting your words? 

 

Bioware should own up their problematic characters.

 

Just because you don't like a character, it doesn't mean that BioWare has something to answer for.

 

Sure they do

 

How does quoting you count as twisting your words?

 

I would be inclined to say that you are the one being condescending to BioWare. I'm only pointing out that your attitude is generally not well received by most people. You can call me condescending, but that won't change the fact that demanding that people give you what you like or answer for it isn't going to get you very far.

 

And you still haven't explained why Sera being female or a lesbian is relevant to your opinion of her.

[Mihura]

Her hate of the nobility is actually deeply personal and has little to nothing to do with her connection to the Red Jennies. Also, her rooftop scene pretty much explains why she hates them and the Dalish. She really hates pride and pretension and sees that in both groups.

 

Basically, that scene replaces the apparently mandatory emotional companion quest in terms of explaining her actions and revealing one of her many insecurities.

 

That said, her being the only companion with a expulsion option is stupid and should have been there for all companions minus Cassandra, Varric and Solas. 

 

Fair enough but that only triggers after right? it is not part of the quest.

And punching Sera is even worse. I am glad they did not put that there, the expel button is enough.

 

 

Twisting your words?  

 

 

 

 

How does quoting you count as twisting your words?

 

I would be inclined to say that you are the one being condescending to BioWare. I'm only pointing out that your attitude is generally not well received by most people. You can call me condescending, but that won't change the fact that demanding that people give you what you like or answer for it isn't going to get you very far.

 

And you still haven't explained why Sera being female or a lesbian is relevant to your opinion of her.

 

 

How can you jump from me criticizing bioware work, to bioware owning me anything personally?

You basically attack me on the personal level because of a pixel character and a company. And I still think like many others that the expel button is awful and should not be there and bioware did a shitty job.

As for the rest I do not even know what to say.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I would agree. Sera is described as street-smart who deliberately set out to reflect defiance of her elven heritage in the way she dresses( a statement that she belongs to herself, nowhere, no-one?) Her nature is also described as crude (taken from the Art of DAI book). I find Sera too thorny.  She's deliberately written that way as a stark contrast to the rest of the companions from DAO to DAI. With personality clashes with the PC all too likely and a question of her suitability in a notable organization, the logical assumption is that such cooperation wouldn't last long.

 

You could say the same thing about Vivienne and yet no expulsion button for her. Seems strangely unfair to me.

 

Also, just because Sera isn't exactly the type of person you'd think would join the Inquisition, and thus place in it should be in question, doesn't mean that her Red Jenny network isn't incredibly useful for the organization, thus making her presence in it just as necessary as Iron Bull's Chargers, Vivienne's connection to the Orlesian nobility and Blackwall's warden treaties  . 

[TheJediSaint]

I guess people can't handle the concentrated fun that is Sera.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Fair enough but that only triggers after right? it is not part of the quest.

And punching Sera is even worse. I am glad they did not put that there, the expel bottom is enough.

 

Indeed, the quest only triggers after the quest. If you haven't seen it you should, its funny and strangely sweet. 

 

Speaking of the Verichel quest, there's a conversation with her afterwards that does get more personal when you can surprise her with being accepting of her actions during it, which reveals that that's something she rarely ever experiences. Sera might be a divisive character but I do think she does experience some form of character development, or at the very has a character that does have interesting layers.

 

Oh and yeah, punching Sera, while gratifying for some, would have been a bad move. Bioware probably didn't do because she is female, and hitting girls, in even the most mature video games, is highly problematic and unsettling.