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#626
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I love Sera a lot. And then I can't stand her a lot as well.

She's a fun character, I love the goofy side of hers, and I love the fact that she cares about little people. She has such different views from everyone else in my Inquisition, that I knows I NEED to keep her. Because I don't want my Inquisition to ever be a circle-jerk of people continuously agreeing with each other.

She has her own way of doing things, and I'm ok with it, even if deciding on her own to kill someone before I decided I had enough information from them kinda irked me a lot. She has no respect for authority, so the only way to approach and have slight control over her is being her friend, I guess.

 

Which I did, because she intrigued me. I ended up romancing her on my first playthrough (even though I was playing a mage Lavellan), and sticked to it, because I knew it wouldn't be my canon playthrough and still wanted to see where it'll go. It was a bit difficult, she kept reminding me I'm too "elfy" and "magical" every three seconds.

She sees the world in black and white, and barely tries to reconsider these views much. At least, when you try to do so in dialogs, you don't do much, but then you get to read her notebook, and you see that she's interested in stuff, and trying to learn things, it's just that she's not good with books, and mostly give up everytime she has to deal with those. Coming from the lowest social class, she's not used to books, and she's not used to words too complicated or well-intricate to make sense. It doesn't mean she can't understand these concepts, it's just that it's too elitist for her, and it must be frustrating to her, because I think she wants to learn, but doesn't have the tools to do so because of her education. So she's stuck.

If anything, Sera is a good representation of the little people, those who have opinions, and wants to learn, but then the upper class makes things too complicated and elitist, and leave the people they're supposed to fight for in the mud still, because even though they're talking about freedom as well, they do it in such a way that makes it impossible for what they say to reach the people who need to hear it the most. Ironic, right?

 

Back to Sera, the moment I definitely hated her, is the moment she asks you to chose between believing in the possibility (not even the fact, mind you, JUST the possibility) that what happened at the Temple of Mythal wasn't entire bullsh*t, and your relationship with her. That part of her, I just will never like it. On my playthrough, I held my tongue, and said it didn't matter to my quizzie (even though it matters a LOT to me), just because I didn't want my quizzie to break up with her, I knew that it wasn't my canon playthrough, I just wanted to see her romance to the end.

I hated that, but I think she's a character in the midst of a huge faith crisis, most likely. Her reaction is one of complete denial, but isn't that what Sera might be, at her core? Completely in denial about who she is? (I have a huge belief she has magical powers, but suppressed them at some point).
 

She's also completely touching and adorable, when she opens up and talks about pride cookies. That side of Sera makes me love her a lot, because it made me understand her a bit more. I think there's still a lot to be done about her character, maybe I'm too hopeful, but I think so much could be done with her, and character development. Overall, I love her a lot, even though she spends her time being an annoying pain in the arse to my favorite character (Solas), but she's an awesome comical relief (even in banter with Solas, when poor egg tries to understand her and be nice to her, she just shuts him off, which is both painful and funny to watch).

I wouldn't want her out of my Inquisition ever, I need a character like her, even though she can be unpredictable, and has huge flaws.



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Lots of "you're wrong because you just don't understand" comments. Saying I or anyone else doesn't understand Sera is just a way to disregard and devalue what someone else thinks simply because you don't agree with it. 

 

People who like Sera do so because they choose to interpret her dialogue and actions in a certain way. Same is true for people who dislike Sera.

 

My first inquisitor was a Dalish elf mage who had ZERO problems with Sera. They were besties due to my first inquisitor's rather care-free and plucky personality. As a result, I decided to roll a qunari for a Sera romance for a second playthrough. I favor "opposites attract" romances. My qunari was a calculating, disciplined, logical erudite who took action based on evidence, a real "Dana Scully." The romance was doomed to fail. My qunari took great offense at being called stupid and "efly" for expressing completely valid opinions following the quest in Mythal's temple, but because these opinions were different than Sera's, my qunari's views were "stupid." If my qunari had had dialogue options available to put Sera in her place (since quite frankly Sera's statements were utterly false) then I think I, the player, may have been able to head canon a way to continue the romance. However, Bioware really put my qunari in a corner with lack of dialogue options. My qunari told Sera that  the inquisition no longer required her services.

 

I think I have a pretty solid understanding of Sera's character, considering during my first playthrough I was able to see Sera through the eyes of an inquisitor who actually enjoyed her company. In that playthrough, my opinion was that Sera was a quirky enigma. Then, during my second playthrough, through my qunari's eyes, I saw that Sera was an immature, mean-spirited simpleton.

 

Each playthough gave me a different perspective, and both are equally valid and true. 

 

People who "hate" Sera have valid views because that is what their player experiences gave them, and visa versa.

 

Threads such as this one should phrase their questions more honestly, "How could anyone possibly have a view that differs from my own?"

 

So you kicked her out because you didn't like her opinion, specifically, the one where she didn't like your opinion. I'm not really seeing how you come out ahead there.


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Heh, funny story. It was actually the character bit with iron bull that made me a Sera fan. You know the bit where he takes inky to meet some of the troops? I had been playing my inky as an 'I'm just a guy' kind of inquisitor who was happy to fight and help but still saw himself as basically just a normal person

It was that convo with Bull where I realised that the regular inquisition soldiers didn't see me ike that at all and I started to appreciate Sera's viewpoint far more free that.

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Haters gonna hate, Sera is awesome.
Surprised me actually because I thought I was going to hate her from what we saw prior to release.



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Don't see anything remotely similar in the 2 characters.

 

Pretty much how I look at it. Isabela also seems more self-aware of who she is while making no apologies for it. 



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Pretty much how I look at it. Isabela also seems more self-aware of who she is while making no apologies for it. 

 

Wait I thought we were talking extensively about how Sera makes no apologies for her behavior? That's kind of the basis of the Isabella comparison.



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Wait I thought we were talking extensively about how Sera makes no apologies for her behavior? That's kind of the basis of the Isabella comparison.

 

Isabela also advocates live and let live, which is probably the main difference between the two. That and Isabela wears a big hat.



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I really want to see this big hat.



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I really want to see this big hat.

 

Talk to Varric.



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I talked to Varric. It's just not the same.



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I talked to Varric. It's just not the same.

 

You have to enter the super special cheat code that gets directions to Isabela's boats!

 

 

/sob

 

 

Isabela DLC pls, someone needs to lighten up Skyhold



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Depends on character I'm playing. If it's my Qunari, Ataashi, he'd agreed with Bull. That Varric and Sera, would be sent for re-education. But, my mage Marcus Trevelyan, Sera's like a little sister. Personally, I find her odd, but that's not a bad thing. Also, could she be autistic? If so, I can sympathize, because my niece and nephew are autistic.



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So you kicked her out because you didn't like her opinion, specifically, the one where she didn't like your opinion. I'm not really seeing how you come out ahead there.

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Depends on character I'm playing. If it's my Qunari, Ataashi, he'd agreed with Bull. That Varric and Sera, would be sent for re-education. But, my mage Marcus Trevelyan, Sera's like a little sister. Personally, I find her odd, but that's not a bad thing. Also, could she be autistic? If so, I can sympathize, because my niece and nephew are autistic.

 

 

I doubt it. She doesn't exhibit enough of the same symptoms. I know there's the whole theory about her being more than just your average elf, but barring that... Sera's just, well, an eighteen year old with the social skills of a dying fish.


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I doubt it. She doesn't exhibit enough of the same symptoms. I know there's the whole theory about her being more than just your average elf, but barring that... Sera's just, well, an eighteen year old with the social skills of a dying fish.

 

Ok, there's that too. Either way, I like her.



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lets face it...the inquisition needs strong and powerful man and woman they know how to lead... they know how to use politic to get what they need and they know at which time it's better to fight instead to use the first option the politic....people who also know how to follow a command.

 

i like sera but she isn't a leader..she is too silly for that.. she is the joker.. thats what we all love her for.

if she would lead the inquisition it would be a madhouse.to fight against the noble is her first option even if that mustn't be done.

her general hate against the noble is not what the inquisition need... more something it could bring useless trouble.

 

it looks like that she wanna destroy all noble no matter if they are good or bad ones.she know nothing about politic.

 

into my game she is still a part of the inquisition and of the group but thats all.she must be lead to make sure that her strength is useful.

otherwise she would waste her strength for irrelevant details.she is the voice of the poor citizen and peasants and thats her purpose.the voice will be heard.. the  emperor ähh inquisitor decide what must be done and how.



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I doubt it. She doesn't exhibit enough of the same symptoms. I know there's the whole theory about her being more than just your average elf, but barring that... Sera's just, well, an eighteen year old with the social skills of a dying fish.

Where is it said she is 18? I heard she was early to mid twenties. 



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Where is it said she is 18? I heard she was early to mid twenties. 

She was a child during the Blight (no age, just vaguely 'a child', but she says she was young enough to not fully understand what was going on during the Blight). If I had to guess, I'd put her at around 9 or 10 years old during the Blight, but that an unsubstantiated guess.



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Haters going Hate.

 



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She's juvenile.

 

That's about it. 

I tolerate her, makes her feel she actually matters.

But no, she does not matter.



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Sera is too insignificant for me to bother with hating, but I did not like her at all.  In fact, at no point did I feel as though she had anything interesting to add to a conversation nor did she seem particularly useful in combat.  I gave her several chances, but ultimately she wound up permanently warming a seat in the tavern.  Tbh the only reason I'd even allow her on the team in the future is so that I have access to the Jar of Bees (unless that was nerfed in a patch that I'm unaware of...).



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Why All the hate For Jar jar binks?



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I'll join the love/hate group. 

 

I liked her general "don't get on your high horse" attitude. I appreciated (from a storytelling & character perspective) how even if she had a hard time explaining her schemes & missions, if you followed through they often turned out to be really useful. I liked her pranks & to an extent, I enjoyed her humor (it's a kind of humor that generally makes me uncomfortable, but... humor's still good). 

 

But once she got mad about how all Elven history & religion should be... ignored, repudiated, disavowed--she lost me. Her beliefs trump evidence--really strong, convincing evidence--and she gets mad at people who don't reinforce her ignorance. When you add her attitude about magic in general...eh. Her good qualities don't make up for the bad.