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[catabuca]

Basically. I actually like her when I'm playing as a non-elf, but when I replay the game as my Dalish character, I don't even recruit her. I honestly felt almost like my elven Inquisitor was being bullied, and I just decided I didn't want to listen to that. 

 

I romanced her as an elf. I loved every minute of it. I think she's a great character, and I love that extra dimension her challenging brings. 

 

I agree with the person who says Sera and Vivienne are wonderfully written. I get far more enjoyment out of the games when I'm presented with characters whose views challenge my own, and even when I agree with some (or nearly all) of their views I like it when they are written so that not everyone else in the game agrees with them. I like it when characters aren't always polite, when they don't always think before they speak, when they put their foot in their mouths and cause offence, when they cause friction. God, the games would be boring if all the characters agreed with me. 

 

(Full disclosure: my own personal belief system aligns to some degree with Sera's although I don't agree with all of her reasoning nor all of her methods - I understand how her background caused a certain personality to develop, and that her actions stem in part from an understanding of inequality and injustice even though it's underdeveloped, and in part from a sense of feeling impotent and rageful about being helpless to change anything, and in part from being alone in the world; I'm pro-Anders as freedom fighter taking a violent stand that needed taking, so I disagree with Vivienne on 85% of the things she says but I find her contributions fascinating and I'm so glad they're there to add more depth to the usual debates the game has had around mages and the Circle so far - the things she and Dorian have brought to the game have helped me finesse my own opinions about what to do about magic and mages.)

[catabuca]

Seriously?! It saddens me that people can't appreciate the points she is making because of her use of slang and non standard diction. Her dialogue is actually quite profound.

For instance, the dialogue where she uses the phrase "really real" is very interesting. She is pointing out that she, like many religious people in Thedas and the real world, consider religious stories morality tales without assuming that they are literarily true. But, as she points out, if Corypheus is to be believed, then there really is a literal Black City with a literal seat of the Maker. She, like any sane and thoughtful person, is frightened of the implications if all her religion's tales are literarily true.

As to her views on nobles vs peasants, not only is her philosophy sensible, it is far from extremist. She points out that she is part of a far flung informal network of non-nobles who work to fight back against the worst excesses of the nobility. The anonymity and informal hierarchy is clearly meant to protect members from reprisals. And her point about "Red Jenny", that nobles need that mythical figure to convince themselves that mere peasants can never pose a danger to them, is quite profound.

And if you listen to her banter with Solas, you'll see that she's far from extremist. She simply wants to address specific wrongs not overthrow the entire system, because she realizes that whatever replaces it is likely to be just as bad.

 

Love this post. All of this is one of the reasons I really love Sera's character.

 

I'm looking forward to when I eventually get around to creating my qunari mage to romance her again (this time it might go better, heh).

[MoonDrummer]

She took a swing at me and I wasn't allowed to break her arms in rertaliation, then she pulled her weapon on me and I wassn't allowed do her knees in.

[Ryzaki]

Eh I find her incredibly annoying.

 

But it's easy enough to tell her to kick rocks at her recruitment so problem averted.

[WillieStyle]

Sera is Chaotic Stupid.

 

Chaotic Neutral people are free-spirited and carefree, yes, but they are not stupid. They do not, for instance, insist on an immediate break up when someone is trying to understand their past heritage. They do not, for instance, believe that there can be only one deity and that the rest are mere BS when we have seen them or seen evidence for their existence.  

 

Well known examples of Chaotic Neutral characters are Captain Jack Sparrow, Selina Kyle / Catwoman, Q, Peeves the Poltergeist, and Wade Wilson / Deadpool. These are extremely likeable characters.

 

The kind of people Sera reminds me the most of are SJW Tumblrettes. Random pointless insanity and stupidity bundled up into one package. 

 

 

Sigh!  There's no irony quite like the irony of calling someone stupid because you misunderstood them.  Her point about the  Maker is that if what the Andrastian Chantry says about the maker is true, then there can't be any other gods.  And she's right of course.  Like in the real world, the dogma of the religions of Thedas often contradict each other.  They can't all be true.  In fact, it is likely that either all but one of them are wrong, or they are all wrong. 

 

I know, I know, what about Dumat and the other Archdemons?  Well if the stories about the omnipotent author of all existence known as the Maker are true, then corrupted dragons that can be killed by an institution as fallible as the Grey Wardens can hardly be considered gods.

[Wulfram]

And if you listen to her banter with Solas, you'll see that she's far from extremist. She simply wants to address specific wrongs not overthrow the entire system, because she realizes that whatever replaces it is likely to be just as bad.

That doesn't stop her from being an extremist, it just reflects that she's also profoundly conservative.

[WillieStyle]

That doesn't stop her from being an extremist, it just reflects that she's also profoundly conservative.

 

In what sense can a political philosophy that opposes, but does not wish to overthrow, the political status quo be called extremist?  She is neither a revolutionary nor a reactionary.  Hers is the very definition of meliorism. 

[WillieStyle]

Not keen on anybody whose philosophy on life is "be terrified of anything you don't understand and make fart noises at it in the hopes it will go away."

 

Plus arrows.  The arrows are key.

[MoonDrummer]

Plus arrows.  The arrows are key.

Not when I spec her with daggers

[Navasha]

Her humor ranks right up there with 'dumb' humor.    "Dumb and Dumber", "Napoleon Dynamite", etc....  these are the kinds of movies friends have invited me to watch over the years that I actually got up and walked out on.     That kind of stupidness is not to everyones tastes.    To me, fart noises stopped being funny after about the 3rd grade.   

 

She is an amalgam of various undesirable personality traits, most of which tend to push my personal buttons very easily.  

 

Maybe its a generational thing.    Would be interesting to see how 30+ year old gamers view her in conjuction with say under 25.

[Wulfram]

In what sense can a political philosophy that opposes, but does not wish to overthrow, the political status quo be called extremist?  She is neither a revolutionary nor a reactionary.  Hers is the very definition of an meliorism.

? Sera doesn't oppose the political status quo. Quite the opposite, she hates anyone who looks to change it.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe its a generational thing.    Would be interesting to see how 30+ year old gamers view her in conjuction with say under 25.

 

I'm 33, and I quite like her, but then I'm probably a filthy deviant or something.

[ThreeF]

Maybe its a generational thing.    Would be interesting to see how 30+ year old gamers view her in conjuction with say under 25.

 

I don't think her liking or disliking has to do with generations, from what I see at least, many people who like her don't like her because of her spunky personality and humour, but because of other thing, there are also players who can perfectly coexist with her in the game and enjoy the character for what she is without getting annoyed and intolerant of her behavior. Pretty much the same goes with Vivienne. Both are polarizing characters.

[AWTEW]

She's probably my favourite companion, after Verric. But I see lots of people hating on her. Whats the deal?

My biggest complaint was that I couldn't romance her unless I was a lesbian. Still a funny and mechanically sound companion though.

 

She's more than meets the eye, imo.

I don't mind her, but she can be downright cruel sometimes especially if you're a Dailsh Elf. Also she's very childish and consider the concequences of her actions. If you call her out on her contradictions and overall selfishness, she brushes you off or say "no you!".

 

Have you romanced her as a dalish elf? I have and -never again.

 

I think how she brushes things off, may be some kind of coping mechanism.

[N7recruit]

Because she hate's people with Victim Complexes, she's not politically correct & she hate's people who ****** about how their oppressed culture is better than everyone else's. 

 

 

Basically She's a middle finger to Tumblr SJW's, which is the reason I love her   

[WillieStyle]

? Sera doesn't oppose the political status quo. Quite the opposite, she hates anyone who looks to change it.

 

She doesn't want to overthrow it, but she most definitely works to oppose the machinations of the nobility.  How is that not opposing the political status quo in a feudal society?

[stop_him]

She took a swing at me and I wasn't allowed to break her arms in rertaliation, then she pulled her weapon on me and I wassn't allowed do her knees in.

I know! Of all the characters who deserved a punch in the face. Disappointing, Bioware.

[Violetbliss]

I see alignment systems tossed about as if in an attempt to explain her, which shows how limited and usually pointless an alignment system is in a game system beyond very general guidelines. It will always be down to each and every character how they will behave,

 

This is particularly true with well-written characters, and I do think Sera is one of these. She is definitely young but I think she is just past the teens (evidence seems to suggest at least some experience of the world); her mind isn't though but it's definitely an unruly teenager when you meet her. What is rewarding is to get to influence that; sometimes she won't agree with you and sometimes she will see your point, etc. It's great to me that there is these things, especially that you -can't- always make her see your way. Besides, what's to say that everything -you-, the player character, says is 100% true? For example, i definitely didn't just dismiss everything that happened in the temple of Mythal as some kind of hoax, but recognized that Sera needed some reassuring because she was frightened. Agreeing with her seemed to make sense, it can be talked about later. If you just can't reconcile differences, things might end, which seems like how things might go to me.

 

I romanced her with my qunari and it really worked well overall, one of the better romances by Bioware to me, but in my elf playthrough she makes for a good friend as well, but in a more rival sense over the elf topic. I think being her friend is a lot about showing her how to not have to think like somebody who's alone and distrusts the opinion of others. I can totally understand not wanting her around if you just can't get past the smokescreen of words, or if you just don't want somebody younger (in mind, at least) along.

[Anaeme]

Sera is strange for a reason...

 

There is a reason Solas and Cole see more to her than meets the eye

 

As usual Bioware is hiding something there

[Addai]

Parenting someone and being in a romance with them... I don't know how anyone does that, even in a game.

[Steppenwolf]

She's willfully ignorant, childish, and simple-minded. Nothing complex or engaging about her IMO. To me she's one of the weakest companions in the franchise.

[Wulfram]

She doesn't want to overthrow it, but she most definitely works to oppose the machinations of the nobility.  How is that not opposing the political status quo in a feudal society?

Because she's not trying to change anything. She's just playing games with a few individuals. Meanwhile she opposes anyone looking for actual change, because it might mess with her own comfy existence.

She's Vivienne without the posh accent, basically.

[Eveangaline]

I don't really get the hate. I mean I don't really like Sera but I don't dislike her, I just find her kinda boring compared to the other characters (Which I think is part of my expectations going in. I expected her to be hilarious all the time but then our sense of humor didn't match up so I never really laughed at her stuff and I just felt disappointed). She's not likeable to me, but she's not hateable, she's just..that archer lady who lives in my inn yay another recruit for the inquisition?

[Fireheart]

Well since I was playing an elf, she was pretty racist to me. My elf was agnostic so it's not like I tried to force my beliefs on her or anything, but sometimes she threw insults to me unprovoked and I didn't like that. I kicked her out at one point on my first playthrough but then reloaded because I thought I misjudged her. I even got into a romance with her. I really tried to give her a chance but every convo with her just made me hate her more and more. And then we got to after the temple of mythal and she tries to break up with you if you don't agree that elven gods and the maker can't both exist. I didn't care who was real but the fact she tries to force me to change and bend to her will? That was the last straw. Now in my second playthrough, I just didn't recruit her. The game feels much better without her there. The game feels so "unaffected" with her gone. It makes me think whether she was a last minute companion, or if she even might have ended up as a dlc companion. Which is kind of sad. Shale was dlc but the game doesn't feel right if she's not with me, she was so well implemented.