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[Bayonet Hipshot]

I am of the opinion that the main reason that many people dislike Sera so much is not because she is irrational, unreasonable, inflexible, self-loathing (elf hating being an elf), etc...The main reason there is so much dislike and hatred for Sera is that she does not evolve. She does not change. There is no character development whatsoever. Throughout the game her character experiences very little growth regardless of what the Inquisitor does or regardless of what she experiences as part of the Inquisition. 

 

To be Sera is to be obnoxious, uncultured, irrational, inflexible, self-loathing...and to stay that way no matter what happens...That is the source of dislike and hatred, IMO. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

What do you think she did wrong?  I read your amusing description of your family and I get the feeling you are trying to teach/correct her, and when she rebukes you or laughs it off, it  upsets you.  I'm curious to see what she did that would warrant an apology like that.

Sera gets pissy and continues to give evasive, nonsense answered even after you tell her to make sense. She KNOWS allies are important yet gets so mad she leaves when you ally with that noble. She knows you are a mage (if you play one) she agreed to join in the first place yet, has the gall to tell you to stop using magic. Tell her it isn't that simple, she insists that it is, despite evidence to the contrary.

 

Uneducated, naive is one thing, stupidity and, ignorance because you refuse to see any side except your own and, refuse to learn anything even when you have the opportunity is quite another. It shows a lack of awareness, lack of concern, lack of intelligence and, lack of any desire to better ones self. That's how Sera comes off to me.

 

Were she to say "Oh why isn't it that simple?" and allow Quizzy to explain a bit of politics and war to her, that would be different. If she would refuse to join a mage inquisitor, fine, she is terrified of magic and won't be around it. If she asked why you allied the noble then, let you explain why allies in high places are important, good but, she does none of those things. She does not want to learn, to better herself or to even understand anything. She has decided it's all about beat down, stupid, arrow in the face, dangle bags and mustaches and if it isn't as simple as saying "Stop being stupid" it is stupid. She chooses to remain uneducated, unaware and, to keep her ridiculous lack of consideration and understanding - she chooses to be a shallow minded, short sighted, selfish chit even when given the opportunity to become better educated, more aware, more informed, a better person.

 

Same as my idiot step relatives that can't even learn to say "Thank you." after being banned form my home by both myself and their father for their rudeness and refusal to think of us anything but money bags. They refuse to learn, to try to be decent people. I don't need them in my life, or in my game.

 

Not one of the companions is perfect but, at least the others try and, apologize when they realize they are wrong. Sera doesn't even try.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Sera gets pissy and continues to give evasive, nonsense answered even after you tell her to make sense. She KNOWS allies are important yet gets so mad she leaves when you ally with that noble. She knows you are a mage (if you play one) she agreed to join in the first place yet, has the gall to tell you to stop using magic. Tell her it isn't that simple, she insists that it is, despite evidence to the contrary.

 

Uneducated, naive is one thing, stupidity and, ignorance because you refuse to see any side except your own and, refuse to learn anything even when you have the opportunity is quite another. It shows a lack of awareness, lack of concern, lack of intelligence and, lack of any desire to better ones self. That's how Sera comes off to me.

 

Were she to say "Oh why isn't it that simple?" and allow Quizzy to explain a bit of politics and war to her, that would be different. If she would refuse to join a mage inquisitor, fine, she is terrified of magic and won't be around it. If she asked why you allied the noble then, let you explain why allies in high places are important, good but, she does none of those things. She does not want to learn, to better herself or to even understand anything. She has decided it's all about beat down, stupid, arrow in the face, dangle bags and mustaches and if it isn't as simple as saying "Stop being stupid" it is stupid. She chooses to remain uneducated, unaware and, to keep her ridiculous lack of consideration and understanding - she chooses to be a shallow minded, short sighted, selfish chit even when given the opportunity to become better educated, more aware, more informed, a better person.

 

Same as my idiot step relatives that can't even learn to say "Thank you." after being banned form my home by both myself and their father for their rudeness and refusal to think of us anything but money bags. They refuse to learn, to try to be decent people. I don't need them in my life, or in my game.

 

Not one of the companions is perfect but, at least the others try and, apologize when they realize they are wrong. Sera doesn't even try.

 

She is a character that does not have ANY character development. The only group of people that typically behave like this are people who are perpetual children, at least mentality wise. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

She is a character that does not have ANY character development. The only group of people that typically behave like this are people who are perpetual children, at least mentality wise. 

And if that's the case, why is she a romance option? Why is she a battle companion? If she is mentally a child (which I agree she is) then where is her guardian? Why is she not, even w/o a guardian, a scullery maid or jester, or some minor role that provides for her needs and keeps her safe? A child has no business in combat or, in a romance.

 

Since she is available for both, I have to assume the Devs intended her to be an adult, just a very closed minded, selfish, uneducated, stubborn one that is either to dumb or, to selfish to even try to change or learn.

[ThreeF]

 She does not change.

She actually does, a little, she comes to realize the concept of friendship.  She doesn't do any grand gestures to show it like Isabelle did in DA2, but it is there.

[KaiserShep]

But Tishen has a good point. Do any of them except Blackwall really change?

Well, there's Leliana, though it's a bit of a rehash of the hardening/softening of Origins. As for the rest, Cassandra does come to a bit of a crossroads regarding the Seekers, and there's Iron Bull's quest that determines whether or not he's still part of the Qun, but beyond that, not that I can tell.

[catabuca]

Her humor ranks right up there with 'dumb' humor.    "Dumb and Dumber", "Napoleon Dynamite", etc....  these are the kinds of movies friends have invited me to watch over the years that I actually got up and walked out on.     That kind of stupidness is not to everyones tastes.    To me, fart noises stopped being funny after about the 3rd grade.   

 

She is an amalgam of various undesirable personality traits, most of which tend to push my personal buttons very easily.  

 

Maybe its a generational thing.    Would be interesting to see how 30+ year old gamers view her in conjuction with say under 25.

 

I'm fast approaching my 37th birthday. I think Sera is wonderful.

 

Being serious has a time and a place. Being silly and ridiculous also does. Maybe not everyone thinks that way, and that's fine. Nary a day goes by when I don't shout "NO UR FACE!" at someone and thank god it keeps me sane.

[Raiil]

Or maybe trust.

But Tishen has a good point. Do any of them except Blackwall really change?

 

I find with a lot it's not so much as change, as you have a hand in coming to terms with large issues in their life.

 

I'd argue that Iron Bull's is the biggest, because you're literally deciding where he's going in life- to be part of the Qun or to be Tal-Va'shoth. With Dorian, it's coming to terms (in either direction) not only with his father, but helping to shape his future with Tevinter as well. Cassandra, you largely influence her post-Inquisition life (or whether she'll leave the Inquisition at all). Sera, Varric, Solas and Vivienne remain unchanged more or less. Cole human or spirit, and so on and so forth.

 

One of the things I really like about DA:I companions is that they, with the exception of Sera, or more or less grown ups with set in stone personalities.

[Qun00]

I am of the opinion that the main reason that many people dislike Sera so much is not because she is irrational, unreasonable, inflexible, self-loathing (elf hating being an elf), etc...The main reason there is so much dislike and hatred for Sera is that she does not evolve. She does not change. There is no character development whatsoever. Throughout the game her character experiences very little growth regardless of what the Inquisitor does or regardless of what she experiences as part of the Inquisition. 
 
To be Sera is to be obnoxious, uncultured, irrational, inflexible, self-loathing...and to stay that way no matter what happens...That is the source of dislike and hatred, IMO.

There are plenty of characters that never change and people still love them anyway.

Maybe they're just not being honest about why they hate Sera. Or, as it goes with any emotion, there is no reason. It's just the way they feel.

As for me, unless the character is a horrible human (?) being, the presence of flaws is actually welcome.

[Mihura]

Or maybe trust.

But Tishen has a good point. Do any of them except Blackwall really change?

In one of my most friendly PTs.
 

Solas admits that maybe he is wrong about the Dalish, Vivienne really trust you, to the point of given her a false heart and considers you her friend, Cassandras betters herself and tries to change the Seekers and the Chantry system, Varric realizes that maybe he is running from problems and that Kirkwall needs him, Cole becomes a spirit or more human, IB can accept that it is time to come back to the Qun or that he is to deep to going back. Dorian founds a friend and is determined to do something about Tevinter.

All of them change one way or another, Sera stays the same. If you have a really problematic character or villain, you have a really cool playground to change them. I love characters like Regina from OuAT, Morgana from Merlin or even Cara from the Legend of the Seeker because of that. Even Loghain after being a warden is a good example.

[KaiserShep]

There are plenty of characters that never change and people still love them anyway.

Maybe they're just not being honest about why they hate Sera. Or, as it goes with any emotion, there is no reason. It's just the way they feel.

As for me, unless the character is a horrible human (?) being, the presence of flaws is actually welcome.

 

Well, delivery does count for something. If two characters essentially send the same message, but one says it in a brasher tone and less than savory vocabulary, that one will likely draw more ire.

[Qun00]

I find that regardless of what series or franchise it is, fans often condemn a character for doing something and simply don't care when another does the same.

Hate rarely is rational.

[AresKeith]

*ugh*

 

more people saying "hating a character means they are well written"

 

Well there's Vivienne

 

If that was true Joffrey was the most well written character ever.

I did struggle with seeing what was wrong with Sera and I come to the conclusion that there is only two ways to go, or she is badly written or we are suppose to just hate her.

If the latter is true, why make her a romance? I really do not get what was the point with her. Sera is not essential to DA:I and you basically can expel her, she is not even the moral compass to the Inquisition which is something I though she would be.

 

Blackwall isn't essential, Vivienne isn't essential, Iron Bull isn't essential, Cole isn't essential 

 

Being a companion doesn't mean they have to be essential to the plot nor should be universally liked, Sera is a character you'll either love or hate. The same could even go for Vivienne 

[catabuca]

I romanced Sera as an elf. I found the tension interesting.

 

My Inquisitor decided to break up with her after the Temple of Mythal. This was one choice I was unhappy with. Not because I didn't want to break up with her - I'm grateful of the chance to have relationships react to events in ways that aren't always positive, and I'm more than happy to have ended the game without a love interest - but because the game presented me with two choices, two narrow rationales, neither of which fit how I'd been roleplaying my character and indeed the romance up until that point. 

 

Nevertheless, the reason I found the breakup a little emotional was because just before going in to talk to her I read her journal. I'd been reading it periodically throughout the game. She'd just made a bracelet out of my hair, and was wearing it - she was going to wear it always. It's clear reading her journal you've made a big impact on her. She's just unable to vocalise it very well.

 

If you are an elf, her journal is even more interesting. She gets a book to "learn elfy stuff" for you. Sera? Learn elfy stuff? 

 

These are not the words and actions of a woman who is stubborn and incapable or closed to change. She has really real reasons why she is the way she is, and that includes why she might say one thing while doing another privately. At her heart, she's scared, she's alone, and she's very insecure. But that she went out of her way to "learn elfy stuff" for my Inquisitor? *sigh* My Inquisitor baked love heart shaped cookies that night.

[ThreeF]

Or maybe trust.

But Tishen has a good point. Do any of them except Blackwall really change?

Some do, a little, nobody does a 180 turn.

 

Bull, within romance, changes his views on relationships. Outside of it he can possibly learn to accept the concept that he is an individual (while he exhibits strong individuality he is blind to this until the very end, because he feels he can't exist outside of Qun)

Cassandra gains faith in herself (in the beginning she sees herself as a hammer not a leader),

Dorian moves on in regards of relationship with his father.

Solas realizes potentially that not  all people are ignorant buffoons, you can see that it makes him conflicted.

Leliana is leaf in the wind.

Varric may or  may not has reevaluated his relationship with Bianca. He also finally moves on with his quilt.

Vivienne .... I'm not sure, but she might not need it.

 

 

Not all characters need to change dramatically as a person to be 'developed', major character growth is not a necessary thing for a character to work in fiction, this obsession with it is fairly new development in literature, there are plenty literary works where charters have 0 character growth and yet they are classics.

 

What character growth Mary Poppins has? or Sherlock Holmes?

[KaiserShep]

Blackwall isn't essential, Vivienne isn't essential, Iron Bull isn't essential, Cole isn't essential 

 

Being a companion doesn't mean they have to be essential to the plot nor should be universally liked, Sera is a character you'll either love or hate. The same could even go for Vivienne 

 

Yeah, one argument I can never really put much stock in is how important any given companion is to the plot, because plenty of companions we've gotten throughout the series are totally irrelevant as far as the main quest is concerned. Leliana doesn't serve any real purpose until her brief appearance in DA2 and onward, and you can miss her entirely if you run through Lothering. Sten doesn't do anything whatsoever. Zevran's only real purpose in the plot is the obstacle Howe provides in hiring him, and then he can die before a word is exchanged between the two. Funnily, if Origins actually stuck to keeping information strictly to the Warden's POV, Zevran would come totally out of nowhere and we'd never even know who sent him if we killed him outright. Wynne can speak to you briefly at Ostagar and the Circle, and then get killed too. You can tell Fenris to take a hike or simply never do his bait and switch quest at all. It's never really been about how much purpose they have for the actual story, but just having a wider variety of personalities for your PC to interact with. That is their purpose.

[catabuca]

Yeah, one argument I can never really put much stock in is how important any given companion is to the plot, because plenty of companions we've gotten throughout the series are totally irrelevant as far as the main quest is concerned. Leliana doesn't serve any real purpose until her brief appearance in DA2 and onward, and you can miss her entirely if you run through Lothering. Sten doesn't do anything whatsoever. Zevran's only real purpose in the plot is the obstacle Howe provides in hiring him, and then he can die before a word is exchanged between the two. Funnily, if Origins actually stuck to keeping information strictly to the Warden's POV, Zevran would come totally out of nowhere and we'd never even know who sent him if we killed him outright. Wynne can speak to you briefly at Ostagar and the Circle, and then get killed too. You can tell Fenris to take a hike or simply never do his bait and switch quest at all. It's never really been about how much purpose they have for the actual story, but just having a wider variety of personalities for your PC to interact with. That is their purpose.

 

Precisely.

 

I'm sure we'd hear a lot of complaints should they have created a game where every single companion had the kind of import Solas does in this game. 

[actionhero112]

Sera's cool and she has an established worldview that the inquisitor cannot shake. I think that's why people hate her. 

 

I like the point that she's boring because you don't get to influence how she sees the world, Sera simply dictates her perspective and either you agree with her or f*** off. 

 

I don't mind that. Many people are like that in real life, you don't change someone's established views without serious evidence to the contrary, and I just don't feel like that evidence exists in this game. There are plenty of nobles or mayors, who have power, who use it to make deadly decisions for their subjects and that simply reinforces Sera's world view. In fact this entire game has leaders of orders making bad decisions that cause innocent deaths. 

[stop_him]

I find that regardless of what series or franchise it is, fans often condemn a character for doing something and simply don't care when another does the same.

Hate rarely is rational.

Basically, anyone who doesn't like Sera must be irrational for not liking her? 

 

I think people have put forth some pretty solid arguments for their "dislike" if you can all it that. The word I would choose, is "disapprove." I disapprove of Sera's poor character concept and development (since there was none). Sera is just as boring as a villain who is evil for being evil's sake. 

[Mihura]

Well there's Vivienne

 

 

Blackwall isn't essential, Vivienne isn't essential, Iron Bull isn't essential, Cole isn't essential 

 

Being a companion doesn't mean they have to be essential to the plot nor should be universally liked, Sera is a character you'll either love or hate. The same could even go for Vivienne 

 

True but you cannot expel them just "because" in the dialogue all the time, that was my whole point. The devs knew what they were doing.

 

You may be right. All we see is that Sera is willing to open up to the Inquisitioner. Something she has never trusted to do with anyone else (LI or not). We do not necessarily get to see the change, but I, being some what a romantic have undoubtedly built that into my story. I like it better that way.

 

Fair enough, although I did something different to be able finished her romance. My really young Qunari that does give a **** about people but suffered enough to be a little more mature than Sera, also a full mouth and aggressive if pissed off.

I think there was a point that I though Sera would break up with her, I mean you have a option to say she should shut up and you can call her pathetic over the roof conversation but it ends up with makeup sex and shouting.

Most toxic romance I ever did with a character in a bioware game.

[AresKeith]

True but you cannot expel them just "because" in the dialogue all the time, that was my whole point. The devs knew what they were doing.

 

Do we even know what the reason was outside of fan speculation?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Or maybe trust. It took a lot for her to have the cookie conversation.

But Tishen has a good point. Do any of them except Blackwall really change?

'Change' really is a broad word. That said, if we're going strictly by momentary development within Inquisition, I would say Sera, Leliana, and Blackwall are probably the biggest characters on whom your effect becomes visible at some point.

 

But again, it depends on how you see it.