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[angol fear]

Uselessness is a matter of perspective. For anyone who dislikes the original ending, the Extended Cut may be quite useful for those who feel that it salvages some of the ending and makes the game worth a replay, like myself.

 

But it doesn't matter, because your opinion is apparently fact.

 

It can be useful, if people like it then it's ok. But no, the extended cut is not needed unlike most people are saying. Matter of perspective, yes but it doesn't change the quality of the original ending. If you liked the extended cut but disliked the original ending, it's not because of the original ending it's because of bad habits of reading. If you say that you prefer the extended cut, it's fine, but if you say the original ending was rushed and it's crap, then the problem is not the game.

And yes, my opinion is fact !  (I'm not joking)

 

 

Hey, man, do not question the structure.

 

If you took a look at the structure, you would not be saying that, you would understand the original ending! But it's obvious you didn't and can't properly analyze a structure.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It can be useful, if people like it then it's ok. But no, the extended cut is not needed unlike most people are saying. Matter of perspective, yes but it doesn't change the quality of the original ending. If you liked the extended cut but disliked the original ending, it's not because of the original ending it's because of bad habits of reading. If you say that you prefer the extended cut, it's fine, but if you say the original ending was rushed and it's crap, then the problem is not the game.

And yes, my opinion is fact !  (I'm not joking)

 

 

 

If you took a look at the structure, you would not be saying that, you would understand the original ending! But it's obvious you didn't and can't properly analyze a structure.

 

Forgive me, please. I didn't mean to question the 'structure'.

 

But in all seriousness, your opinion is as valid as anyone else on the board. Throwing out vague lingo doesn't make you right, it makes you a punchline. Maybe you want to make an actual argument instead of relying on some position of authority which only exists in your head.

[KaiserShep]

It can be useful, if people like it then it's ok. But no, the extended cut is not needed unlike most people are saying. Matter of perspective, yes but it doesn't change the quality of the original ending. If you liked the extended cut but disliked the original ending, it's not because of the original ending it's because of bad habits of reading. If you say that you prefer the extended cut, it's fine, but if you say the original ending was rushed and it's crap, then the problem is not the game.
And yes, my opinion is fact ! (I'm not joking)

Alrighty then...

Whether or not people feel it was needed isn't really relevant. I never said it was, at least not beyond my personal enjoyment of the game. The quality of the original ending is strictly a matter of opinion, so whether or not the extended cut changes that is not something you or anyone else can determine on any basis beyond what it is you personally enjoy, not this horseshit about analyzing the narrative. Understanding the narrative and its internal logic in and of itself does not make something automatically more enjoyable.

I fully understood the plot of Star Trek: Into Darkness, and that didn't stop me from thinking it was horrid drek.

[Valmar]

Angol Fear just proves that there can be extremists on both sides of the boat. You have people who vehemently yell at the ending, comparing it to rape and acting like it murdered their families and you have people who defend it like it this perfect and well-execution marvel that puts Shakespeare to shame.

 

Though, in all fairness, Angol Fear is in my experience the only person I've ever seen who takes such a strong and aggressive defense on the ending. Where as the ones who just foam at the mouth and spew hateful incantations are far more in number.

 

He is a rare breed. I find it fascinating. Especially as someone like myself who actually doesn't hate the ending and has 'defended' certain aspects of it in the past yet still acknowledges its flaws. How anyone can claim the ending wasn't rushed when Bioware themselves admit to it being rush and all the evidence points to it being rushed... I don't know. Like I said, fascinating.

[Valmar]

sry if people were not artstic enough to "get" the ending

 

It was never a matter of being "artistic". Not even when Bioware used that BS.

 

 

of course all the thousands of players who hated it were wrong
 

 

I used to think similar. Now? I'm not so sure. A lot of the things were hear complained about aren't true and just the symptoms of genuine misunderstanding on the player's part.

 

I understand if someone likes the ending with the EC it did help a lot ( I still hate it but with the EC a lot less)

but saying that it wasn't needed is the silliest thing I have heard on these forums for quite a while

thanks for the laugh at least

 

While I share the sentiment that EC was necessary, the fact that this guy (the analysis) understood everything WITHOUT the EC is actually proof that EC wasn't a requirement to understand the ending. I still think it was necessary from the perspective of a gamer, though. I don't think we should have been made to think so deeply on this. Some deepness is nice but they took it too far, imo. Some hand-holding was necessary. It tried to be more than what it was. Mass Effect was never Dark Souls.

[RVallant]

I've read a lot about Mass Effect 3. I've Google-searched the hell out of this game. And it's only now, three years after it was written, that this particular analysis showed up in a Google search for me. 

 

It was written a mere week after the game was released, and I'm impressed with the ideas it presents, considering that the era of the ending hysteria was just beginning. My current thoughts on the organic versus synthetic conflict and the general philosophy of the ending are very similar to those expressed in this analysis, and I feel both vindicated and foolish. Vindicated because someone already had the same ideas, and foolish because it took me almost a whole year to draw similar conclusions. 

 

I know this won't change any minds. If you hate the ending, then you'll probably always hate it. But I never hated the fundamental ideas of the ending, I just hated the simplistic and rushed presentation. Still, it can't hurt to read it and consider that this might be what BioWare intended. Again, keep in mind that the analysis is pre-Extended Cut and pre-Leviathan; there is even a critique of the Indoctrination Theory. Yet, despite its age, much of the speculation actually turned out to be quite accurate. 

 

http://www.giantbomb...dings-sp/91939/

 

It is very well written and is an article I think holds up well as a general discussion of the themes of the trilogy and how it ties into the ending. Obviously as you say, those who hate the endings will refuse to change their minds over it, but on analysis I find I mostly agree with what the article says.