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DragonAgeLegend

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I have an OCD thing where I need to play with the maximum AA setting available in a game, it is so bad that I decided to buy a GTX970 to get it to work on DAI but alas it is still unplayable. 

 

I ask you DragonAge-ites, do you play with MSAA?

 

I set the graphic settings to Automatic (was recommended 2xMSAA) and it was barely managing 50 frames, I turned it off and my game jumped to an almost static 60 with hardly any difference to image quality. For some stupid reason my brain keeps reminding me that MSAA is off and that I need to turn it on! I try to ignore it but I can only take so much nagging. 

 

I'm going to continue my second paythrough with it off, I seriously hope I can keep it this way. I need some advice guys. 



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You have a Maxwell GPU so turn on MFAA in the Nvidia controlpanel. 4x MSAA will then be the performance of 2x MSAA but with just as much antialiasing as 4x. Or just think of this: The game already use a fast approximate antialiasing filter to try and keep the jaggies away so you don't need multisampled antialiasing on. Just leave post process on high and MSAA off, that's what I do becaause I need my 60's frames.


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I used to have it on, bunt Geforce Experience suggested I turn it off. I haven't played since, but I suppose the game will be a bit smoother. (not that I have much to complain in that regard)

Meh, I'll give it a go now and see how it runs.
Though I also installed new drivers yesterday so that could also account for some improvement.

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I have a GTX 970 as well and play with 2x MSAA. I get 60 fps, so I really don't notice much of a framerate difference, if any, with it on vs off. Truth be told though, the AA difference isn't very big - maybe things look a bit smoother if you switch it on and off and do immediate comparisons, but if I couldn't look at the setting I wouldn't be able to guess if it were on or off just from playing the game. So my advice is don't fuss over it; concentrate on the gameplay experience instead of getting a hangup over 57 vs 62 fps and so on.



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You have a Maxwell GPU so turn on MFAA in the Nvidia controlpanel. 4x MSAA will then be the performance of 2x MSAA but with just as much antialiasing as 4x. Or just think of this: The game already use a fast approximate antialiasing filter to try and keep the jaggies away so you don't need multisampled antialiasing on. Just leave post process on high and MSAA off, that's what I do becaause I need my 60's frames.

Thanks, the weird thing is that I'm using MFAA and still having these fps issues. 



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In the early days I found that setting control panel to Enhance and setting it to the same value as in game (so if set to 2x in game set to 2x in control panel... setting it to the same value shouldn't be a factor in theory, but it did seem to matter in this case) gave me a slight *boost* over just using in game and having control panel at Application Controlled.  But those were the early days when the game engine was extra funky on NVIDIA hardware.  May or may not still be a thing.

Problem you need to be conscious of is MSAA greatly increases vram usage. I'm on 980's so can't advise best settings.  If the game goes over 3.5 gigs of vram on your 970 you're going to see performance tank, unfortunately. 



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I don't use any of the in-game AA options, I use SMAA injected via SweetFX set to a custom ultra setting, and use it alongside lumasharpening to counteract some of the softness that post-aa introduces (although SMAA is better than FXAA in that regard). I don't have the graphical power you have (7970M 2GB) but I find it's more than enough for me during normal gameplay, and for screenshots I hotsample to 8/9MP.



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I don't use any of the in-game AA options, I use SMAA injected via SweetFX set to a custom ultra setting, and use it alongside lumasharpening to counteract some of the softness that post-aa introduces (although SMAA is better than FXAA in that regard). I don't have the graphical power you have (7970M 2GB) but I find it's more than enough for me during normal gameplay, and for screenshots I hotsample to 8/9MP.


Do you have any screenshots I'd love to see how it would look.

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Do you have any screenshots I'd love to see how it would look.

 

A milliontyeleven screenshots at my flickr account in my sig ^__^

 

I started uploading hotsampled shots on the 12th of January. Everything before then is 1080p with just SMAA for AA. Almost everything after the 12th Jan was taken at 8/9MP, most can be seen blown up in their original resolution, but flickr will automatically display at a smaller res to fit on the screen, and that will give the shots the benefit of downsampling, which is a very good method of AA.


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Even on GTX980 I can't get stable 60fps with MSAA 2x. Let alone 4x. Should I switch to MFAA? Does it has any performance impact?



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Even on GTX980 I can't get stable 60fps with MSAA 2x. Let alone 4x. Should I switch to MFAA? Does it has any performance impact?


Performance is less when using MFAA, your game is most likely using MFAA though. Once MFAA is on you just change the Multisample setting to x2 or x4 and it works accordingly. MFAA makes the game look fuzzy to me though which is disappointing.

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I run the game at 4xMSAA, rarely for below 45 FPS on a Titan. I know should be 60+ no matter what but, still it isn't bad. I would say step it down to 2x for anything between a *70 and a Titan, and off for anything less than a*70 GPU.


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I run the game at 4xMSAA, rarely for below 45 FPS on a Titan. I know should be 60+ no matter what but, still it isn't bad. I would say step it down to 2x for anything between a *70 and a Titan, and off for anything less than a*70 GPU.

I'm honestly considering getting SLI 970s but then I'll need to upgrade PSU and cooling...... :L


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I'm honestly considering getting SLI 970s but then I'll need to upgrade PSU and cooling...... :L

Just remember DAI does not do well with SLI at the moment, I'm hoping it can be fixed in the future but, right now a single top of the line GPU is a better option.



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I have a GTX970 where GeForce suggests x2 MSAA, I don't notice a difference other than I run at about 50 FPS instead of 60. I use the nvidia multi-frame instead.



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I have a 970 and I turned if off, just kept the post process.  I didn't see any difference whatsoever.  I'm playing at 2560x1440 though and I think the higher the resolution gets the less need you it.  I have the game maxed out aside from that and I usually get 60 FPS.  It gets into the low 50s in areas with a lot of vegetation, but for the most part it's 60.



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I run DAI with every video setting at its maximum and 4x MSAA.

 

Runs really good with no crashes and at 1080p resolution.

 

 

- GTX 670 3GB (347.25 whql drivers clean install) - not over clocked

- i7 920 2.67 GHz CPU (after market cooler) - not over clocked

- 24GB DDR3 1600 (extra cooling) - not over clocked

- 1000W PSU

 

Win 7 64-bit Ultimate (all updates to this day)

 

Nothing running in the background or Startup and no virus scanners either.

 

 

Did all the recommended tweaks from the Bioware forum and voila, I can play smooth with no issues.

 

Last time I played 8 hours straight with no CTD's or freezes during cut scenes. Ran perfectly.

 

 

- Re install the latest Directx (Bioware recommended from this forum)

- Re install Visial C++ (Bioware recommended from this forum)

- Delete the "ProfileOptions_Profile" file (Bioware recommened from this forum) - then set your video values again.

 

 

Runs like butter, so if I decided to upgrade to a GTX 980 4GB, my frame rate would double.



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Have a GTX 670, and use MSAA x2 setting; works well.

I still recommend setting Effects Quality to Low; helps prevent flash and shine on FX, appears more natural, and boosts FPS. Also emptying the cache before gameplay; run Sisk Cleanup myself.

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Have a GTX 670, and use MSAA x2 setting; works well.I still recommend setting Effects Quality to Low; helps prevent flash and shine on FX, appears more natural, and boosts FPS. Also emptying the cache before gameplay; run Sisk Cleanup myself.


I would but the spells look very unappealing. :(