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[Nefla]

Might require to work on a new model perhaps? 

Which will never happen

 

I guess it's not that big a deal since I'm probably never going to play the existing game again, but I wanted to look unbroken in the DLC.

[CronoDragoon]

I didn't say they weren't listening, I said there is a appearance of it. Not sure exactly what "Hamburger Helper" is either in the way you are using it. How exactly is it a convenient narrative? I'm saying both parties need to be accountable and act respectively, yes there will always be internet trolls, but like I said before if there is an appearance that no one is listening, even if it's not the case, people who are enraged won't pick up on that truth.
 
I'm not going to speak for OP, but you must realize that appearances are important as well. 
 
 
I'm saying how he presented his argument was respectful. That's as far as i'm taking it right now, because this isn't productive to the over all conversation.

The presentation of his argument was not respectful. He accused BioWare of only doing the bare minimum and not caring about implementing features that fans enjoy. I doubt that's something you'd be perfectly fine hearing in your job if they opened with "Thank you for your time, but..."

Hamburger Helper is what vicious fans dubbed Jennifer Hepler because she wrote Anders in DA2. They attacked her personally countless times, for being a woman among other things. She now no longer works for BioWare.

You'd have a point about appearance if, again, BioWare did not have a track record that clearly demonstrates they do read the forums. Therefore, complaints amount to being mad that they don't get a response. And even then, it's been untrue. BioWare has made a thread about PC control concerns, they've posted in the Patch threads, released hotfixes for bugs they admittedly introduced with the patches, and Aaryn Flynn commented on whether or not DA:I's design will influence ME4 (no).

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I appreciate the reply form David and, it boils down to the same problem anyone involved in the development and testing of a game faces when thy try to interact with the players on a forum. Each player thinks the thing they want changed or patched is the most important and, most will continue pushing the issue even after being told ether that the game was designed that way and, it's intentional or, that for technical, monetary and/or legal reasons, it cannot be changed/fixed.

 

People in general have forgotten how to type respectfully even if they are anonymous behind a screen name. Everyone thinks they are number one, their stuff is more important than anyone else and, time, money, design intention or, nothing else matters, they just want it their way and they want it NOW.

 

Is it any wonder the Devs won't come to the forums anymore when all they end up getting is yelled at for trying to talk to us?

 

I would appreciate the ability to discuss the game, especially problems they MIGHT be able to fix wit them but, like David, and others I'm sure, I get sick of the demanding arguments that this is more important than that, and hearing it's easy to fix when in fact we don't know the Engine well enough to know if it's easy to fix or not.

 

Trion has a good way of doing that. There is a Dev's announcements section the forum. That section is locked so that only they can post there. If they want feedback or opinions, they post a link to a pole or questionnaire which players can answer. Beyond that, there is a private forum section for beta testers where those of us that do beta for them can post openly with the devs. That gives them a good base of players that are mature, willing to try out things that might not be working quite right and, are capable of explaining what's wrong constructively. We then hear from the Devs and, learn a bit of why things are going wrong, or that it doesn't go wrong on the test rigs in the office.

 

Perfect, now we can begin digging to see if it's a background process or other program causing the problem. If it's a commonly used program or process, maybe the Devs can fix the conflict, if not we can at least tell others having the issue what to turn off before running the game to stop the problem. If it's a change in the game, we can try ti out with a lot more possibilities and approachesthan the devs might think to try and, report what happens.

 

Here and there, we get to laugh with the devs at an exploit or other goof up that gets released because no one thought of trying to do it that way. The point is, it's a few hundred volunteers that test and offer feedback and suggestions and, the Devs control who gets in, and can lock any one of us out at any time if we prove to be inconsiderate, demanding idiots. Yes a small cost, and a bit of time required to implement and, keep it going but, it works, and even thought the majority of the community does not see what is going on in the private section, they know it's happening, real players, everyday consumers are testing and interacting with the Devs on their behalf. We can't discuss a lot because of the DND, but people understand that and, we can go on the open forum and say "Yeah, that's being worked on, it's more complex than you realize so, it might be a while, but they are trying to fix it."

 

Free help, just takes Bioware letting us do it, and, selecting the individuals that they feel are mature and level headed enough to be betas and, not fly off the handle at the devs, but listen, learn and work with them to make this a better game. Betas do it knowing that one mistep, one leak and we are gone, banned form the entire forum for life and, locked out of any future beta testing for the company. Of course devs can do the same to anyone that wants to be an arse about something as well.

 

Simple, let us try, use the free help and, if we screw up, ban us, suspend our accounts from all of Bioware, leave us playing SP offline only for being idiots - only fair and, most that want to be jerks won't even bother, it isn't worth loosing the online features and the forum over.

[Teligth]

You'd have a point about appearance if, again, BioWare did not have a track record that clearly demonstrates they do read the forums. Therefore, complaints amount to being mad that they don't get a response. And even then, it's been untrue. BioWare has made a thread about PC control concerns, they've posted in the Patch threads, released hotfixes for bugs they admittedly introduced with the patches, and Aaryn Flynn commented on whether or not DA:I's design will influence ME4 (no).

 

I'm pretty sure I have a point with the amount of these treads that keep popping up. 

[LPPrince]

If I had the opportunity, I'd like to open a dialogue with Bioware employees and community managers to discuss how to make this forum better, "better" meaning less toxic(to fans and those with tags alike), cleaner(less rule breaks), happier(attitude and behavior wise), and other such improvements.

 

I don't think the forum is beyond help or has reached the point of no return, but there are clearly some actions and methods that can be implemented that may help the forum in the long run. I've seen it in a better state before, I'd like to see it return to that level of quality.

[Lewie]

He wasn't really derailing it. He was offering up the option to discuss the matter more fully by playing the devils advocate.

You're giving me too much credit I just need to hone my sarcasm skills. 

 

Louis is the male counterpart (Loo-ee). Louise (Loo-ee-ze) is french female. The alternative is Lois in english.

It is my real name. I am a good person but this place is testing. 

 

I had my own issues with this game at the start I was actually surprised I could play it all at somewhat decent quality. This was after getting a new gfx card and re-installing windows. Truth is I feel bad for people who can't play at all but I can't fix it and when animosity flies around threads go to hell. If the game doesn't work at all on xbox360 or ps3 that is a big problem and I hope people get it working somehow.

 

Time I had a break from in here though.

[SofaJockey]

As a general opponent of sanctimony at the best of times, all I can say is I'm sorry that my post was construed that way. And you're right, it was sanctimonious and I kind of regret breaking my forum sabbatical. Nevertheless, I had a manic outburst of "I MUST SAY THE THING" (which I don't recommend )

Anyway, the long and the short of it is: I'm not a fan of corner cutting, especially when it comes to creative content. But I also don't have the stomach or the will for debates anymore. My snark was unwarranted and I apologise

Peace comrades.

 

 

*edit* whoops I got my Marks and Mikes mixed up!

 

Peace also Fundamentalist, my concern was never with you.

 

(and I've had my cookie now  )

[Lebanese Dude]

But Louise is a female name.

 

Louise est un nom masculin en Francais.

[SofaJockey]

You are showering me with irony and sarcasm everywhere almost, and you still don't even understand what my problem is, and where it lies. I don't know if explaining it ONCE MORE will make any sort of difference, but here I go, but this is the last time. If you fail to comprehend what I say this time as well, please will you kindly refrain from replying to my posts again, as this isn't going to go anywhere. So, here it is:

 

*paranoia snipped for space*

 

Thank you. I hope this is the last time we discuss this. Personally I won't divulge in any further discussion with you. No offence, but I'm tired of you attacking me. 

 

Oh wow.

There was no irony or sarcasm intended in my post at all, I was trying to be nice.

My prior post where I was trying to understand why your game was unplayable was also sarcasm-free from my perspective.

 

I'm sorry to read you thought I attacked you, I certainly wasn't aware of it.

 

I recognise some people have unplayable experiences, but that's what technical support is for surely.

[Sylvianus]

Louise est un nom masculin en Francais.

 

Nope, Louise is a female name in french. It's LOUIS, without the " E " if you want it to be a male name. 

[Teddie Sage]

Louise est un nom masculin en Francais.

I'm french myself, the male version is Louis unless you are from a different country from mine. 

Généralement, on utilise Louise pour les femmes et Louis pour les hommes. Il m'arrive d'entendre la prononciation différente de Louis, à l'anglaise, mais Louis et Louise sont souvent utilisés différement pour différencier les deux sexes. Maintenant, pas besoin de jouer aux plux malins avec moi, je suis bilingue.

[Lebanese Dude]

Nope, Louise is a female name in french. It's LOUIS, without the " E " if you want it to be a male name. 

 

In the same manner that Alex and Randyl are male names.

 

The name is unisex. 

[Sylvianus]

In the same manner that Alex and Randyl are male names.

 

The name is unisex. 

 

No, it's not unisex at all. It's a male name, there's no Louis, for a female name in french. The male name is Louis, and the female name is Louise. 

[Teddie Sage]

Unisex for you maybe, but not used like that where I come from. In Canada, I rarely see boys and men named Louise. I see Luis(es), Louis(es) and Lewis(es), but no Louise(s).

[ThreeF]

I have no idea what you are all talking about but it's not entirely uncommon for males to have female names.

 

*points at Erich Maria Remarque*

[Teddie Sage]

I have no idea what you are all talking about but it's not entirely uncommon for males to have female names.

 

*points at Erich Maria Remarque*

There's also Ryan Kate which is a given name to a girl from MasterChef Junior USA.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

Généralement, on utilise Louise pour les femmes et Louis pour les hommes. Il m'arrive d'entendre la prononciation différente de Louis, à l'anglaise, mais Louis et Louise sont souvent utilisés différement pour différencier les deux sexes. Maintenant, pas besoin de jouer aux plux malins avec moi, je suis bilingue.

Yeah well I'm quadrilingual

 

I just get irritated when people enforce their own cultural definitions on others, names included.

 

Perhaps I'm conflating the middle name (or hyphened) Louise with the first name then. I admit I'm not that well versed in French naming habits

[Teddie Sage]

Could be. Some people name their children with masculine nouns followed by a feminine noun and vice versa. Depends on the gender of their child although this happens in every cultures apparently. 

[Lebanese Dude]

Thanks for the French refresher course btw. Been a while

[Teddie Sage]

T'es le bienvenu. Now we can proceed on this thread normally before a moderator slaps our fingers for derailing so much.

[Fast Jimmy]

You know if you actually bothered to skip to the end of the thread you might see it links to another thread here.

Your evidence of consistent communication is a thread that has nothing more than copy-pasta of the Patch Release notes?

...okay...

Based on what I've seen BSN has been toxic for a long time and I wouldn't ask the developers to step into that, sometimes the people here are more fanatic then fan. Even some of the replies to David's post here have hardly been welcoming.

It isn't "toxic," whatever the heck that means. I wish people would stop regurgitating words from Dave's three year old Tumblr post as if that phrase has any meaning. It's a mob, if anything. There's ways you deal with a mob - you go out and talk to them on a loud speakerphone, you let them tear up and destroy things but eventually putter themselves out or you bring in the riot police.

It seems Bioware has been favoring the middle option (with some of the latter option post ME3) for the better part of... five? Six years? What's the old saying about the definition of insanity?

What do you see?

I see an opportunity to build a better bridge.

[Giubba]

Your evidence of consistent communication is a thread that has nothing more than copy-pasta of the Patch Release notes?

...okay...


It isn't "toxic," whatever the heck that means. I wish people would stop regurgitating words from Dave's three year old Tumblr post as if that phrase has any meaning. It's a mob, if anything. There's ways you deal with a mob - you go out and talk to them on a loud speakerphone, you let them tear up and destroy things but eventually putter themselves out or you bring in the riot police.

It seems Bioware has been favoring the middle option (with some of the latter option post ME3) for the better part of... five? Six years? What's the old saying about the definition of insanity?


I see an opportunity to build a better bridge.

 

A place where is impossible developing a discussion.

 

Basicaly since DA2 BSN became the place where people gather to destroy bioware credibility in any way the can conceive.

[Fast Jimmy]

A place where is impossible developing a discussion.

Basicaly since DA2 BSN became the place where people gather to destroy bioware credibility in any way the can conceive.

I've had dozens, hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of pages of good discussion on these boards since DA2 came out, both with people who agreed with me and with people who did not. And with Bioware devs as well.

So... try again. How are these forums toxic?

[Giubba]

I've had dozens, hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of pages of good discussion on these boards since DA2 came out, both with people who agreed with me and with people who did not. And with Bioware devs as well.

So... try again. How are these forums toxic?

 

And that's simply false.

 

This place follow a simply routine inbetween games it looks normal somewhat but closer to a game relase and after (where we stand at the moment) it's shown again it's true color with thousand of false,melodramatic,deceptive,manipulative post with the sole purpose of causing damage to the company.

 

And that's it. They do not want a solution for a bug or a discussion over something in game but simply forcing with any mean necessary that the current game is a failure, that bioware betrayed them or wahtever pathetic bullshit they can use.

 

Just for example how many tears/wail/hate were shed by the PC user (like me) over PC control not being optimized for mouse and keyboard when the same base asked FOR YEARS that gamepad should be supported for the PC version too, and when people started to pointing out that the same people that complained where the one that asked for that feature they were completly and utterly ignored like they literaly skipped the post so they can continue to sprinkle ashes on their heads.

 

This place is irrecoverable it simply cannot produce something worthwhile if it ever did.

[LinksOcarina]

And that's simply false.

 

This place follow a simply routine inbetween games it looks normal somewhat but closer to a game relase and after (where we stand at the moment) it's shown again it's true color with thousand of false,melodramatic,deceptive,manipulative post with the sole purpose of causing damage to the company.

 

And that's it. They do not want a solution for a bug or a discussion over something in game but simply forcing with any mean necessary that the current game is a failure, that bioware betrayed them or wahtever pathetic bullshit they can use.

 

Just for example how many tears/wail/hate were shed by the PC user (like me) over PC control not being optimized for mouse and keyboard when the same base asked FOR YEARS that gamepad should be supported for the PC version too, and when people started to pointing out that the same people that complained where the one that asked for that feature they were completly and utterly ignored like they literaly skipped the post so they can continue to sprinkle ashes on their heads.

 

This place is irrecoverable it simply cannot produce something worthwhile if it ever did.

 

Ok, I may be cynical, but this is incorrect. Jimmy is right to some extant, there are good discussions here.

 

Problem is they are drowned out by bullshit all the time you mentioned.