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[Asdrubael Vect]

They are just so completely devoid of logic and ridiculously over the top.

Remember his claims 99% of Tevinter's population had elven ancestry and that was why it was better to be an elf in Tevinter?

mmm yeah i see so much logic in your statement, oh wait i do not see anything except your verbiage, as always=)

 

If you have a short memory i will remind you that it was that all humans have elven blood what give them magic and dreams-connection with fade what they was not have before as dwarfs and qunari(except saerabas what they start to have after first war and new non-qunari converts, it was a good reason for Tamasrans to have a ban for crossbreeding),

 

They was have it with crossbreeding with ancient elves what was in times of ancient Tevinter and it was started before Imperium and after thousands years we have all humans with dreams and who can born as mages or have mages kids and etc.

 

About elfs in Tevinter it is better to be elf in Modern Tevinter than Orlais or Antiva of course, especially if you a mage.

[Asdrubael Vect]

About Refugee Mages or Lefted Templars

 

Always mages and alliance because you will have full support and loyalty and it would be best in epilogue...Fiona unfortunately cant be removed but she is far better and experienced then loyalist Vivienne-pathetic prostitute for old noble who not even live in Cirlce and become a enchanter for no reason except her loyalism", and she have more influence so it is better to make alliance not force them.

 

Сhoose a Seekers/Templars-what was lefted of Order after 90% of Rebel Seekers/Templars with their HQ was made themself as red templars and bow to Corynfeus and do all sh*t is not a very wise and smart thing and it is not good for Inquisition because you will for no reason need to restore and support what was lefted from Templars and give them lyrium rather then give it for mages and use it for main reason to study and stop demons and breach...

 

In Thedas Everyone was choose mages, especially nobles and rulers of the kingdoms, they know that they will have a the most powerfull weapons, crafters and healers in Thedas. even Chantry choose mages because they know that without them they will not have anything, especially money.

 

Rebeled mages who was a refugies in Redclif are innocent and if you will not choose them to prefer lefted pieces of Templars, Venatory cultists will recruit them and force-put deamons in them like in grey wardens(and they was able to do this with Seekers who support Corynfeus and they let him go in conclave) to fight with their enemies-templars-you who for no reason and sense choose templars

 

Even Cassandra will choose to have mages and Order was corrupt and dead and already do many very bad things what they cant change

 

And if you choose mages you can have magister who have researches about "time travel magic" and have some help from Tevinters, their magisterium will have news about cultists and help you.

 

There is no point and + to save those almost useless pieces what was left from Templars and Seekers, especially by the epilogue when they almost always was become disbanded

 

Templars was useless and not have any point of existence except that true templars-Seekers want a mindless and addicted mobs(Seekers specially do not make them as true-tempalrs as they do not do a right tranquill ritual) for  mages concentration camps and Orlais have "free workers" slaves in alianages

 

All wars, crusades and all propoganda and all this sh*t what was happened in Thedas was a Seekers job because they for 900 years played as gods and want to control Thedas, the whole orders as Orlais Chantry as it exist never have any point of their existence except that Seekers power hunger and beliefs that they are chosen ones

 

The Corynfeus was their job they let him do all and they do this and support him without any deamons and mindcontroll

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I wonder how many people who sided with the Templars since they thought the mages should be punished for their decision sided with the quarians as the geth also sided with the obviously evil faction and knew full well that they were evil. If you sided with the templars because of who the mages sided with but sided with the geth or had peace in ME3, you are a gigantic hypocrite.

 

Are you honestly comparing the extinction of an entire species with the destruction of a rebellion?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Are you honestly comparing the extinction of an entire species with the destruction of a rebellion?

Yes considering that either the mages or templars are completely wiped it if you side with the other side. Geth side with the obviously evil faction and the mages side with the obviously evil option. Do you think the geth should be punished for siding with the reapers? Unlike the mages, they tried to kill you before choosing a side. So what side did you choose in ME3?

[Boost32]

Yes considering that either the mages or templars are completely wiped it if you side with the other side. Geth side with the obviously evil faction and the mages side with the obviously evil option. Do you think the geth should be punished for siding with the reapers? Unlike the mages, they tried to kill you before choosing a side. So what side did you choose in ME3?

The mages arent wipped off, only Fiona's rebels joins the Venatori, the others rebels arent affected.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Yes considering that either the mages or templars are completely wiped it if you side with the other side. Geth side with the obviously evil faction and the mages side with the obviously evil option. Do you think the geth should be punished for siding with the reapers? Unlike the mages, they tried to kill you before choosing a side. So what side did you choose in ME3?

 

All mages get wiped out if you side with the templars?

 

 

So did all the loyalist mages under Vivienne get killed? 

 

Or what about all the mages who simply wanted to have no part in the rebellion and fled back to the circles?

[AresKeith]

Now you're trying to brand people for a choice in a completely different game?

You're definitely reaching to find a argument

[raging_monkey]

Now you're trying to brand people for a choice in a completely different game?
You're definitely reaching to find a argument

is there where i play sheriff cause its getting sad somewhat and i like bad agruements

[Korva]

If you go with the templars, their war table missions actually save mages. As I said before. But it's not like facts will deter people with a hate-on.

 

Too bad a perfectly reasonable thread exploded into a trollfest.

[raging_monkey]

If you go with the templars, their war table missions actually save mages. As I said before. But it's not like facts will deter people with a hate-on.
 
Too bad a perfectly reasonable thread exploded into a trollfest.

its the haterade... its gotten into the water

[Ryzaki]

All mages get wiped out if you side with the templars?

 

 

So did all the loyalist mages under Vivienne get killed? 

 

Or what about all the mages who simply wanted to have no part in the rebellion and fled back to the circles?

 

Hell don't forget the mages that were already in the Inquisition.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm baffled as well, and why people still seeing her as a good leader is beyond me.

 

It's simple- she's a fellow traveler, and the recognized leader of the cause and faction they sympathize and identify with. Questioning her validity as a leader is too close to questioning the validity of the cause, so close ranks.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'm just baffled they thought she was still a good leader to follow after the Venatori BS. Just wut.

 

Ah well. Not my problem. *huggles Barris close* Dem lips.

 

Fiona, if nothing else, is one of the reasons I have trouble taking the uber-mage route seriously. Aside from the massive qualifier on Divine Leliana's slide, Fiona is just so... Fiona. This is a woman who starts a mage civil war if Cassandra is Divine- Cassandra, who is about as even-handed and fair a reformist as exists in the setting. Major reforms, reigning in of the Templars, reformation of the Seekers oversight, a whole caboodle of the nominal causes for war and compromises from the establishment needed. And if Fiona doesn't get all what she wants, she'll still start a fight over it. And Fiona's ability to fight for and lead her people is, well, amazing.

 

Even Leliana can't get Fiona's way all the time. Fiona will find something she wants for herself and her mages but can't get, and will trip over herself in trying to get it.

[Ryzaki]

Fiona, if nothing else, is one of the reasons I have trouble taking the uber-mage route seriously. Aside from the massive qualifier on Divine Leliana's slide, Fiona is just so... Fiona. This is a woman who starts a mage civil war if Cassandra is Divine- Cassandra, who is about as even-handed and fair a reformist as exists in the setting. Major reforms, reigning in of the Templars, reformation of the Seekers oversight, a whole caboodle of the nominal causes for war and compromises from the establishment needed. And if Fiona doesn't get all what she wants, she'll still start a fight over it. And Fiona's ability to fight for and lead her people is, well, amazing.

 

Even Leliana can't get Fiona's way all the time. Fiona will find something she wants for herself and her mages but can't get, and will trip over herself in trying to get it.

 

Wait she still starts a fight with Cassandra? O_o Good grief. I do like how Vivi owns her that's the divine I'm going for in my conscription ending *shudders*

[Dean_the_Young]

Wait she still starts a fight with Cassandra? O_o Good grief. I do like how Vivi owns her that's the divine I'm going for in my conscription ending *shudders*

 

Not with Cassandra, but with other mages who return to the new Circle under Cassandra rather than Fiona's College. When you have Cassandra and an open alliance with the mages, Fiona's College faction starts clashing with the Circles, with the epilogue noting a fear of an inter-mage war.

 

(When it's Cassandra and mage conscription, there's a more subdued, murky conflict against the College within the Circle.)

[Ryzaki]

Not with Cassandra, but with other mages who return to the new Circle under Cassandra rather than Fiona's College. When you have Cassandra and an open alliance with the mages, Fiona's College faction starts clashing with the Circles, with the epilogue noting a fear of an inter-mage war.

 

(When it's Cassandra and mage conscription, there's a more subdued, murky conflict against the College within the Circle.)

 

Oh wow. So she pulls a "if you're not with me you're against me." lovely.

 

Ah so she decides to pick up something from the Orlesians.

 

This just makes me wish there was a side with mages but let Fiona die if you let the timer run out thing. I can let Barris die but not that waste of space Fiona. SMH.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Oh wow. So she pulls a "if you're not with me you're against me." lovely.

 

Ah so she decides to pick up something from the Orlesians.

 

This just makes me wish there was a side with mages but let Fiona die if you let the timer run out thing. I can let Barris die but not that waste of space Fiona. SMH.

If it was Fiona, explain why Leliana's conscripted mage ending has no shadow war. How do you know it wasn't loyalist mages who started the fighting?

[thesuperdarkone2]

All mages get wiped out if you side with the templars?

 

 

So did all the loyalist mages under Vivienne get killed? 

 

Or what about all the mages who simply wanted to have no part in the rebellion and fled back to the circles?

Still haven't brought up anything regarding the geth. I guess admitting hypocrisy is too hard for you. It's okay, not everyone can accept the truth. Poor little babby.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Man, if the Divine Leliana ending when you side with the mages winds up being the best, what would all the pessimists say? 

[Ryzaki]

If it was Fiona, explain why Leliana's conscripted mage ending has no shadow war. How do you know it wasn't loyalist mages who started the fighting?

 

? You mean the ending where there's no circles?

 

You really don't see why?

 

REALLY?

[thesuperdarkone2]

? You mean the ending where there's no circles?

 

You really don't see why?

 

REALLY?

Funny how being as pro-mage as Fiona winds up giving the endings where Fiona gets what she wants and winds up giving mages acceptance throughout Thedas or show Thedas the best of what mages have to offer.

[AresKeith]

Oh wow. So she pulls a "if you're not with me you're against me." lovely.

Ah so she decides to pick up something from the Orlesians.

This just makes me wish there was a side with mages but let Fiona die if you let the timer run out thing. I can let Barris die but not that waste of space Fiona. SMH.

There really should have been an option to deal with Fiona if you sided with the mages

[raging_monkey]

Still haven't brought up anything regarding the geth. I guess admitting hypocrisy is too hard for you. It's okay, not everyone can accept the truth. Poor little babby.

and people wonder why pro-mages are considered irrational... stop name calling and the condesation remarks. It hurts the cause and shows your limitations for civility and debates.

[Ryzaki]

Funny how being as pro-mage as Fiona winds up giving the endings where Fiona gets what she wants and winds up giving mages acceptance throughout Thedas or show Thedas the best of what mages have to offer.

 

It's okay you got your mages rule ending and I got my awesome templar army ending. Everyone won. You don't need to be mad.

[AresKeith]

It's okay you got your mages rule ending and I got my awesome templar army ending. Everyone won. You don't need to be mad.

No, everyone must share his ending and view

So says the heir of Auld Wulf