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[raging_monkey]

No, everyone must share his ending and view
So says the heir of Auld Wulf

really i must be a hater then lol

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

It's okay you got your mages rule ending and I got my awesome templar army ending. Everyone won. You don't need to be mad.

Tell that to the rest of the Templar supporters who can't seem to accept that there is a mage freedom ending that won't backfire. Man, the DLC's better show us the ramifications of who we sided with and who the divine is so all this can end. What would Templar supporters do if mage freedom wound up proving that their pessimism was just wrong? I think the fact that mage freedom won't lead to Tevinter 2.0 or abomination central with mages being accepted by the public pretty much destroys the main points of pro-templar supporters.

[Ryzaki]

Tell that to the rest of the Templar supporters who can't seem to accept that there is a mage freedom ending that won't backfire. Man, the DLC's better show us the ramifications of who we sided with and who the divine is so all this can end. What would Templar supporters do if mage freedom wound up proving that their pessimism was just wrong? I think the fact that mage freedom won't lead to Tevinter 2.0 or abomination central with mages being accepted by the public pretty much destroys the main points of pro-templar supporters.

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's okay, the truth hurts.

[raging_monkey]

And another MT thread devolved into stupidity smh

[Ryzaki]

And another MT thread devolved into stupidity smh

 

I'm not sure why you're surprised.

 

It's okay, the truth hurts.

 

See you can see the rage from the bolded. It's okay super. It's gonna be okay that people pick different outcomes.

[raging_monkey]

I'm not sure why you're surprised.
 

 
See you can see the rage from the bolded. It's okay super. It's gonna be okay that people pick different outcomes.

i was being sarcastic. Few things on the bsn suprise me anymore.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Still haven't brought up anything regarding the geth. I guess admitting hypocrisy is too hard for you. It's okay, not everyone can accept the truth. Poor little babby.

 

I didn't bring it up because I proved that your statement of..

 

Yes considering that either the mages or templars are completely wiped it if you side with the other side. 

 

is outright false. As shown in these posts made by me and our dearest Ryzaki

 

So did all the loyalist mages under Vivienne get killed? 

 

Or what about all the mages who simply wanted to have no part in the rebellion and fled back to the circles?

 

Hell don't forget the mages that were already in the Inquisition.

 

So already here I don't need to continue since your comparison of the geth/quarian choice to the mage/templar one is a false equivalence. Chosing to side with either the Geth or Quarian results in the (near)extinction of the other species. And while choosing the templars does result in the destruction of the mage rebellion, it is important to remember, no matter how much you may hate the notion, that the mage rebellion does not represent the entire mage populace, as proven by the existence of loyalist mages or neutrals who tried to stay clear of the conflict.

 

But sure, let's quickly entertain this flawed comparison anyway since you seemed so hyped up about it. In ME3 I brokered peace between the Geth and Quarians. Why? Because I did not feel like inacting genocide of an entire species, because both sides had blame and because it was the most pragmatic choice in the sense that it brings the most bodies to the war effort. And before you go ahead and scream out about how a huge hypocrit I am to the entire BSN, let me remind you that unlike in ME3, we weren't given a "save them both" option in DA:I. A choice that I would have taken in a heartbeat if it were an option, alas, we couldn't save both.

 

And if I was forced to choose either the Geth or Quarians in 3? I would have chosen the Quarians, because despite ME3s constant white-washing of the Geth, I believed that the Geth were far bigger ****-ups than the Quarians and were more to blame.

 

But this isn't the ME3 forum, so the G/Q debate does not merit more discussion.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

See you can see the rage from the bolded. It's okay super. It's gonna be okay that people pick different outcomes.

It's okay. The fact that Leliana's ending pretty much disproves every pessimistic notion pro-templars have is all the satisfaction I need. I only hope the reaction from pro-templars when that becomes evident is as good as I believe.

[raging_monkey]

It's okay. The fact that Leliana's ending pretty much disproves every pessimistic notion pro-templars have is all the satisfaction I need. I only hope the reaction from pro-templars when that becomes evident is as good as I believe.

ever consider that they may end up being right? Nobody knows what will happen and i totes darth lels im crazy enough to say she "proved protemplar wrong lololol"

[Dean_the_Young]

If it was Fiona, explain why Leliana's conscripted mage ending has no shadow war.

 

 

Because Leliana disbands, rather than reconstitutes, the Circles. There's no mage polity rival for Fiona to quibble with.
 

 

How do you know it wasn't loyalist mages who started the fighting?

 

'Know' as in proof? There's none. Insinuations, on the context of Fiona's past (the revolutionary mage purge of loyalists who didn't successfully escape or fight them off) and the other slides (in which Fiona's College is described in assertive terms as seeking an active role and in expanding itself vis-a-vis the Circles)? Well, the past and meta-alternatives. Fiona's College seeks supremacy over the Circles when both are present, and the mage liberationist movement has in the past consistently been the mage faction to instigate conflict.

[thesuperdarkone2]

ever consider that they may end up being right? Nobody knows what will happen and i totes darth lels im crazy enough to say she "proved protemplar wrong lololol"

Bioware's current trend have supported mages. The devs know they are going to make more DA games. Why would they include that option if they were going to retcon it anyway? Don't forget how ALL endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars. That just further proves my point that mage freedom is more likely to stick.

[Ryzaki]

i was being sarcastic. Few things on the bsn suprise me anymore.

 

XD oh.

[Steelcan]

I'm still unsure what Leliana's ending does to invalidate the two other endings where Circles still exist....

[Boost32]

Bioware's current trend have supported mages. The devs know they are going to make more DA games. Why would they include that option if they were going to retcon it anyway? Don't forget how ALL endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars. That just further proves my point that mage freedom is more likely to stick.

How all the endings weakens the Templars? Neither Cassandra or Vivienne weakens the Templars. The only thing Vivienne does is to leash the templars to her hand, it doesnt say they are weaker.

[raging_monkey]

Bioware's current trend have supported mages. The devs know they are going to make more DA games. Why would they include that option if they were going to retcon it anyway? Don't forget how ALL endings give mages more freedom and weaken the Templars. That just further proves my point that mage freedom is more likely to stick.

i dont see a trend did you not see how they tredded on promage autonmy in tgis game. Not everything is as it appears. For all we know that my canon could end up creating a crazy apolitical army(dont believe mages will go there) but its a real possibility

XD oh.

yup just remember im always flippant lol

I'm still unsure what Leliana's ending does to invalidate the two other endings where Circles still exist....

leap of logic and strawmen arguements

[Dean_the_Young]

There really should have been an option to deal with Fiona if you sided with the mages

 

I forgot who it was, but someone once made a good argument that Fiona would have been as good or better Judgement candidate than Alexius. Alexius is good, don't get me wrong, but there's no real question about guilt or responsibility. He's just broken and doesn't care anymore. While there needed to be resolution for his open-ended thread, there was less a delimma of judgement and more about sentencing.

 

Fiona, though... Fiona has a bit more in common with some of the other judgement candidates, in that there's more variability in whether you believe she should be considered guilty of anything in the first place, if you think she was justified in what she did. Think the village mayor who drowned Blighted refugees, or the local noble in Empress De Lions who sold people to the Red Templar occupiers and then used the money to buy supplies for the remainder. Or, and here's the 'main quest' relevant comparison, the Warden from Adamant who went along with bad ideas.

 

Fiona's got charges, present and past, that could be raised against her. She's not particularly repentant and thinks she's in the right (and has a following who would agree), which is fine and would be a nice bit of variety for the various judgement candidates. Rather than be a tagalong who stays in Skyhold not doing much whereas Ser Barris goes out and gets stuff done, resolving her could have been a nice piece of the tieing up the Mage Rebellion angle if you sided with the mages.

 

Honestly, the bigger problem with Judging her would have been that it wouldn't make much sense if the Inquisition allied with the mages... but even that could have been resolved with a minor change in which the Ferelden monarch has her arrested regardless but agrees to hand her over to the Inquisition along with the rest of the mages.

[AresKeith]

I'm still unsure what Leliana's ending does to invalidate the two other endings where Circles still exist....

Because it's the right path

So says the heir of Auld Wulf

[AresKeith]

I forgot who it was, but someone once made a good argument that Fiona would have been as good or better Judgement candidate than Alexius. Alexius is good, don't get me wrong, but there's no real question about guilt or responsibility. He's just broken and doesn't care anymore. While there needed to be resolution for his open-ended thread, there was less a delimma of judgement and more about sentencing.

Fiona, though... Fiona has a bit more in common with some of the other judgement candidates, in that there's more variability in whether you believe she should be considered guilty of anything in the first place, if you think she was justified in what she did. Think the village mayor who drowned Blighted refugees, or the local noble in Empress De Lions who sold people to the Red Templar occupiers and then used the money to buy supplies for the remainder. Or, and here's the 'main quest' relevant comparison, the Warden from Adamant who went along with bad ideas.

Fiona's got charges, present and past, that could be raised against her. She's not particularly repentant and thinks she's in the right (and has a following who would agree), which is fine and would be a nice bit of variety for the various judgement candidates. Rather than be a tagalong who stays in Skyhold not doing much whereas Ser Barris goes out and gets stuff done, resolving her could have been a nice piece of the tieing up the Mage Rebellion angle if you sided with the mages.

Honestly, the bigger problem with Judging her would have been that it wouldn't make much sense if the Inquisition allied with the mages... but even that could have been resolved with a minor change in which the Ferelden monarch has her arrested regardless but agrees to hand her over to the Inquisition along with the rest of the mages.

So much this ^^

[draken-heart]

I have been debating which side to choose for my female Dalish mage. One the one hand, why would a Dalish elf go for the Templars? On the other hand, the rebel mages are not really her people, so helping them with their problem at all. On the other hand, the time magic is an issue, that should be dealt with. On the other hand, the Templars are respected by people, like the Wardens (supposedly).

 

Gah, my head hurts.

[Dean_the_Young]

I have been debating which side to choose for my female Dalish mage. One the one hand, why would a Dalish elf go for the Templars? On the other hand, the rebel mages are not really her people, so helping them with their problem at all. On the other hand, the time magic is an issue, that should be dealt with. On the other hand, the Templars are respected by people, like the Wardens (supposedly).

 

Gah, my head hurts.

 

Go for the Templars if you think you need an army as well as sealing the breach.

 

Also go for the Templars if you visit Redcliffe, don't think Fiona could lead the mages out of a wet paper bag, and think you should get some mage-resistant minders to clean up the problem rather than head to the Chantry for an obvious (RP perspective) ambush.

 

(At which point you never learn, or worry about, the time magic.)

[Hellion Rex]

Go for the Templars if you think you need an army as well as sealing the breach.

Also go for the Templars if you visit Redcliffe, don't think Fiona could lead the mages out of a wet paper bag, and think you should get some mage-resistant minders to clean up the problem rather than head to the Chantry for an obvious (RP perspective) ambush.

(At which point you never learn, or worry about, the time magic.)

"Fiona, dear, you look dreadful!"

That line still makes me cackle.

[Asari_Party]

I'm apparently completely incapable of siding with the the Templars. I'm sure the mission itself isn't terrible, but I just can't do it. I simply love "In Hushed Whispers" too much. And I know this sounds harsh, but in my opinion the templars who rebelled got what they deserved ("We wanted them to treat mages more fairly and they rebelled for it"). And I don't really buy that the lower ranking templars couldn't leave if they wanted to. We know many joined the inquisition, and that chantry sister in Val Royoux tells us that others chose to stay with the chantry.

[AresKeith]

"Fiona, dear, you look dreadful!"

That line still makes me cackle.

 

"Fiona, dear, your dementia is showing" 

[Korva]

A Dalish could also go for the templars for another reason: get some control over them to help ensure they'll leave her people alone.