I'd pay to see pro-templar reactions if it turned out that Gaider supported the Leliana endings. How would you feel if he did support it?
I wouldn't particularly care beyond fearing for the future of the franchise.
And I'm not sure why you do so much about other people's convictions.
I'd pay to see pro-templar reactions if it turned out that Gaider supported the Leliana endings. How would you feel if he did support it?
I'd say he has poor taste?
Gaider's support doesn't really make it more plausible or credible. Death of the author, and all that.
So, if that does happen, can I get five bucks?
Rationalization implying that it's not a defensible proposition on its own, and that merely points to your bias- a boring topic.
No, rationalization implying that that's the rational you came up with. Nothing wrong with rationalization- so long as it's not used to cover up the indefensible. Which isn't applicable here, I hope we can agree.
It's just, last I was aware, you weren't a good commander yourself. So I was wondering if you actually talked to one who gave you those suggestions. Otherwise it was just as silly appeal to authority that you don't even have.
Why do always do that?
You always try to antagonize people
Wait, is that what she's trying to do?
I thought it was funny, myself. Man, I need to take things more personally now adays. I don't seem to have enough fucks to give to internet strangers.
Edit: Whoa, that one's not censored?
Is this an ad hominem directed at me personally or at the Inquisitor?No, rationalization implying that that's the rational you came up with. Nothing wrong with rationalization- so long as it's not used to cover up the indefensible. Which isn't applicable here, I hope we can agree.
It's just, last I was aware, you weren't a good commander yourself. So I was wondering if you actually talked to one who gave you those suggestions. Otherwise it was just as silly appeal to authority that you don't even have.
Wait, is that what she's trying to do?
I thought it was funny, myself. Man, I need to take things more personally now adays. I don't seem to have enough fucks to give to internet strangers.
Edit: Whoa, that one's not censored?
Their word censors are so weird
Is this an ad hominem directed at me personally or at the Inquisitor?
Neither, since it's not an ad hominem.
Unless there's some history of military conduct and superior competence I'm not aware of, you aren't a good military commander. That makes you like me, and the other 99% of the Bioware fandom (and Bioware itself, most likely). If you were trying to claim the wisdom of good military commanders when you aren't one, that would have just been silly.
Your Inquisitor may also not be a good military commander, but then Bioware PCs rarely are. Commander Shepherd was a pretty bad leadership figure by most standards of good leadership. Bioware isn't exactly, eh, skilled at writing competent, let alone skilled, commanders. Inquisition doesn't even really try- except in so much that it's repeatedly noted that it's Cullen that leads the troops.
Neither, since it's not an ad hominem.
Unless there's some history of military conduct and superior competence I'm not aware of, you aren't a good military commander. That makes you like me, and the other 99% of the Bioware fandom (and Bioware itself, most likely). If you were trying to claim the wisdom of good military commanders when you aren't one, that would have just been silly.
Your Inquisitor may also not be a good military commander, but then Bioware PCs rarely are. Commander Shepherd was a pretty bad leadership figure by most standards of good leadership. Bioware isn't exactly, eh, skilled at writing competent, let alone skilled, commanders. Inquisition doesn't even really try- except in so much that it's repeatedly noted that it's Cullen that leads the troops.
Well being a Qunari implies you lead troops before.
I don't think I've ever conscripted either side, although the templars are more deserving off it imo.
I think Fiona selling her army in to slavery based on a rumour, is remarkably bad writing along with her not changing her mind on seeing Cory. Considering it takes her half a book to talk to Thedas' most Kasual King and how venomous she is towards the Architect. Its almost as if book Fiona and game Fiona are two different people, which is a shame because I liked book Fiona.
I would have rathered it was Kell who gave birth to Alistair and led the mage rebellion though. I loved that guy.
I don't think I've ever conscripted either side, although the templars are more deserving off it imo.
I think Fiona selling her army in to slavery based on a rumour, is remarkably bad writing along with her not changing her mind on seeing Cory. Considering it takes her half a book to talk to Thedas' most Kasual King and how venomous she is towards the Architect. Its almost as if book Fiona and game Fiona are two different people, which is a shame because I liked book Fiona.
I would have rathered it was Kell who gave birth to Alistair and led the mage rebellion though. I loved that guy.
The mages were brainwashed if you sided with the Templars. Why does everyone refuse to accept this.
Well being a Qunari implies you lead troops before.
At a small squad level.
Consider me awed by the excellence of a junior NCO level roll.
Sarcasm aside, the Qunari roll doesn't really establish or present you as a competent leader, as opposed to fighter (which all PCs are).
The mages were brainwashed if you sided with the Templars. Why does everyone refuse to accept this.
Edit: Correction, and apologies for misreading moondancer's post about 'not changing her mind upon seeing corypheus.' Yes, that is post-brainwashing- if we can find a source of said brainwashing.
cause its funny i assume...Why do always do that?
You always try to antagonize people
The mages were brainwashed if you sided with the Templars. Why does everyone refuse to accept this.
I didn't know about it, is why. I thought they were just being bellends.
The mages were brainwashed if you sided with the Templars. Why does everyone refuse to accept this.
Perhaps because we still have not been able to find the codex entry that states it or been shown it?
I didn't know about it, is why. I thought they were just being bellends.
To clarify-
In the hissing wastes post-Mage/Templar recruitment, there's supposed to be a codex that reflects the choices you make of who to recruit. If you recruit mages, it talks about the Red Templars giving the Venatori **** for losing many of their members at Redcliffe. If you recruited Templars, I believe the codex mentions that the Venatori bound their minds after hearing about the Templar recruitment.
To my knowledge, it's the only reference to the brainwashing of the mages in the game.
Edit: Correction, and apologies for misreading moondancer's post about 'not changing her mind upon seeing corypheus.' Yes, that is post-brainwashing.
There is no proof of they being brainwashed, not a single codex/character in game support this theory.
again id like to see this... but would it really matter both fandoms are too stubborn to find common groundPerhaps because we still have not been able to find the codex entry that states it or been shown it?
To clarify-
In the hissing wastes post-Mage/Templar recruitment, there's a codex that reflects the choices you make of who to recruit. If you recruit mages, it talks about the Red Templars giving the Venatori **** for losing many of their members at Redcliffe. If you recruited Templars, the codex mentions that the Venatori bound their minds after hearing about the Templar recruitment.
To my knowledge, it's the only reference to the brainwashing of the mages in the game.
Out of curiosity, have you seen the codex in the game yourself or seen a screenshot of it, Dean?
To clarify-
In the hissing wastes post-Mage/Templar recruitment, there's a codex that reflects the choices you make of who to recruit. If you recruit mages, it talks about the Red Templars giving the Venatori **** for losing many of their members at Redcliffe. If you recruited Templars, the codex mentions that the Venatori bound their minds after hearing about the Templar recruitment.
To my knowledge, it's the only reference to the brainwashing of the mages in the game.
The only codex that change if you recruit the templars is this one:
You want citations for the common-sense maxim that a commander should determine what her troops need at a given time and lead accordingly, deploying them according to their needs and strengths?Neither, since it's not an ad hominem.
Unless there's some history of military conduct and superior competence I'm not aware of, you aren't a good military commander. That makes you like me, and the other 99% of the Bioware fandom (and Bioware itself, most likely). If you were trying to claim the wisdom of good military commanders when you aren't one, that would have just been silly.
Your Inquisitor may also not be a good military commander, but then Bioware PCs rarely are. Commander Shepherd was a pretty bad leadership figure by most standards of good leadership. Bioware isn't exactly, eh, skilled at writing competent, let alone skilled, commanders. Inquisition doesn't even really try- except in so much that it's repeatedly noted that it's Cullen that leads the troops.
Out of curiosity, have you seen the codex in the game yourself or seen a screenshot of it, Dean?
Hm. I'm not sure- the codex I was thinking of was the one referenced below. Which I appear to have misremembered in favor of the mages.
The only codex that change if you recruit the templars is this one:
If the Inquisitor sided with the mages...Fellow Magisters:We have been given a chance to redeem ourselves after one of our own failed Corypheus at Redcliffe. The dwarven relics in the tombs are instructions on recreating the masterpieces of one of their finest Paragons. They are to be excavated, replicated, and brought back for study. The Elder One is generous to let us prove our worth. We cannot disappoint Him.Do not spare the slaves. Speed is crucial to our success. Let us set an example to the rest of the Venatori, mages and commoners both, with our obedience to the Elder One's will.Overseer JullexIf the Inquisitor sided with the Templars...Esteemed Magisters:It shames me to notice bickering among some of you. We perform a great work here. The dwarven relics in the tombs are instructions on replicating the masterpieces of one of their finest Paragons. Lady Calpernia wishes us to retrieve them with all haste, and you know she speaks for the Elder One in all things. He remembers a time when this place was not a blasted wasteland, and if He desires its secrets brought up to the light, we shall obey. Gladly. Without strife that delays us.I trust this will no longer be a concern.Overseer Jullex
You want citations for the common-sense maxim that a commander should determine what her troops need at a given time and lead accordingly, deploying them according to their needs and strengths?
I want a citation of a good leader agrees with your determination of what was best and why. Including your assessment of what their needs and relevant strengths are.
You claiming 'common-sense' to short-circuit a challenge doesn't quite suffice. Not unless you're a good commander whose common sense could be expected to be valid on military matters, of course.
Hm. I'm not sure- the codex I was thinking of was the one referenced below. Which I appear to have misremembered in favor of the mages.
So you haven't seen it I take it.
If I can get a screenshot of the codex entry in question or a twitter from David Gaider confirming it. I will gladly concede to the point and accept that the mages were indeed brainwashed if not saved.
As it is, this whole "Mages were brainwashed" is starting to become the Dragon Age equivalent of the Indoctrination Theory.
the IT was 10X better than thisSo you haven't seen it I take it.
If I can get a screenshot of the codex entry in question or a twitter from David Gaider confirming it. I will gladly concede to the point and accept that the mages were indeed brainwashed if not saved.
As it is, this whole "Mages were brainwashed" is starting to become the Dragon Age equivalent of the Indoctrination Theory.
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