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[thesuperdarkone2]

"From what I can tell, the templar supporters are still a minority anywhere else but BSN. Remember, the Templar supporters are still a vocal minority and are only talking because this is the first game which doesn't show the faction bad sides while emphasizing some of their good traits. Wonder how many templar supporters would still exist if they were portrayed negatively in subsequent games or if some of the templar negatives were shown if you side with them, such as some templars refusing to help you if you were a mage or a templar raping an inquisition mage."

 

Excuse me, but the Templars in Origins (not Awakenings) were, for the most part, decent enough. Cullen was, as was the Knight-Commander, can't think of his name. They were set upon by Abominations and most of them wiped out, but the Knight-Commander still gives the Warden a chance to save those mages and Templars who are still alive. 

 

Templars are essentially jailors.  In any system where there are jailors, you are going to have those in authority who abuse that power. Certainly the Kirkwall Circle is a prime example of what happens when authority looks the other way too long with the minions abuse their charges.  But just as you cannot condemn all mages for the actions of some, it is equally unfair to condemn all Templars for the actions of some.

 

The question is not whether or not there should be mage prisons--some mages are evil and capable of great destruction. They need to be confined. The question has always been SHOULD ALL MAGES BE IMPRISONED simply for being mages? I think the answer is "no," but I also understand why Templars need to exist in a world where insane mages can ignite entire villages or become Pride Demons. 

Theen let Cass rebuild the seekers and side with the mages. That way, the mages get freedom while the Seekers hunt down any abominations and rogue mages. Best of both worlds.

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is that people respect Templars more than mages and even Duke Gaspard says its a better move politically and military-wise.

 Haha,that's one really reliable advisor.

 

For a Circle supporting mage, siding with the Templars is the best opportunity to change things from inside out.

Nope. That way they won't learn anything, they're self-righteous enough as it is and should be punished at last for their deeds. Making the Inq fully support them makes it even worse, considering all that the Inq represents. 

I'd say disbanding is the only way to deal with them for a mage Inq, circle supporter or not.

 

There is a rationale behind a mage player going to the Templars. 

The main concern with the templar's quest is that no sane mage (or even non-mage) would come to them after what "Lucius" did in Val Royeaux. It's just plain dumby-dumb because why on earth go seek the military order who was supposed to fight magic nad mages with "divine justification". It's quite stupid they believed and followed the mage Inq and yet pretty much rejected the Divine mage. In the Redcliff quest we at least have a more or less real reason to pursue Alexius.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 Haha,that's one really reliable advisor.

 

Nope. That way they won't learn anything, they're self-righteous enough as it is and should be punished at last for their deeds. Making the Inq fully support them makes it even worse, considering all that the Inq represents. 

I'd say disbanding is the only way to deal with them for a mage Inq, circle supporter or not.

This. The Templars need to be taught a lesson. How can I be sure that the douchebag templars won't just go back to their old habits when everything is done. At least they can't hurt any of the Inquisition's mages if conscripted. How would people react if say one of the Templars raped an Inquisition mage and the templars kept you from punishing them if you allied with the templars. 

[AresKeith]

This. The Templars need to be taught a lesson. How can I be sure that the douchebag templars won't just go back to their old habits when everything is done. At least they can't hurt any of the Inquisition's mages if conscripted. How would people react if say one of the Templars raped an Inquisition mage and the templars kept you from punishing them if you allied with the templars. 

 

The fact that you keep trying to use this shows how little argument you have left

[raging_monkey]

The fact that you keep trying to use this shows how little argument you have left

agreed keith

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The fact that you keep trying to use this shows how little argument you have left

Actually, you might've notice how one of them yells at Cassandra demanding "justice" because they "know" that *some* of the mages in Haven "responsible for the crimes". So, yes, it's a valid point. They haven't changed a tiny bit.

[TK514]

The Templar story makes the game better in the long run.  The mage storyline, and the followup, just sort of fizzle.

[AresKeith]

Actually, you might've notice how one of them yells at Cassandra demanding "justice" because they "know" that *some* of the mages in Haven "responsible for the crimes". So, yes, it's a valid point. They haven't changed a tiny bit.

 

Same way on the mage side they always complain to Cassandra

 

Both sides are idiots and crybabies 

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Same way on the mage side they always complain to Cassandra

 

Both sides are idiots and crybabies 

Uhm, you know complaining about not having some warm bedrooms and demanding to punish (or possibly make tranquil or even kill) someone is pretty different. Like, really. 

[Boost32]

Actually, you might've notice how one of them yells at Cassandra demanding "justice" because they "know" that *some* of the mages in Haven "responsible for the crimes". So, yes, it's a valid point. They haven't changed a tiny bit.

But he have a point, there is at least one mage who is guilty of a crime.

[AresKeith]

Uhm, you know complaining about not having some warm bedrooms and demanding to punish (or possibly make tranquil or even kill) someone is pretty different. Like, really. 

 

And you tried to point out what one templar says to Cassandra like every Templar feels that way 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Uhm, you know complaining about not having some warm bedrooms and demanding to punish (or possibly make tranquil or even kill) someone is pretty different. Like, really. 

This. The mages are simply not used to being treated as equals. Also, exactly what crimes are the mages guilty of? If the mages complained that there were some Inquisition templars that they know are guilty of crimes and wanted them punished, would they be as valid? But apparently whenever a templar wants to go after mages, better safe than sorry for templar supporters. The mages are also less douchey 

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But he have a point, there is at least one mage who is guilty of a crime.

You do realize that the templars themselves are quilty of many crimes? How 'bout that? Just let it gooo?

 

And you tried to point out what one templar says to Cassandra like every Templar feels that way 

Like they should watch over mages and punish them in occasion? Yes, that's how they all feel. Even the most decent ones like Cullen.

[thesuperdarkone2]

But he have a point, there is at least one mage who is guilty of a crime.

And that mage is? I could easily say that some of the Kirkwall Templars who knowingly killed innocent mages are guilty of crimes yet apparently they get off scot-free.

[thesuperdarkone2]

And you tried to point out what one templar says to Cassandra like every Templar feels that way 

And you tried to point out what that one mage said is what all mages think. Double standards in effect people. When mages do something they are wrong but when templars do it they are always right. 

[Boost32]

And that mage is? I could easily say that some of the Kirkwall Templars who knowingly killed innocent mages are guilty of crimes yet apparently they get off scot-free.

Solas.
You dont know at the time, but the guy still have a point.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Solas.
You dont know at the time, but the guy still have a point.

and considering there are Kirkwall Templars in the Inquisition, why can't we ever bring up how they tried to kill innocent mages?

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Solas.
You dont know at the time, but the guy still have a point.

Lol'd really hard here.

 

"We basiclly sayin' that mages here are guilty, but we just don't know who quilty of what. Yet. But you know those dity little mages, they're probably doing some blood rituals as we speak, better hurry and spy on them - er, I meant, watch over them. Just in the case. You know, quilty."

[AresKeith]

And you tried to point out what that one mage said is what all mages think. Double standards in effect people. When mages do something they are wrong but when templars do it they are always right. 

 

You don't say?  

 

Point out a double standard and uses another one

 

I already acknowledge that both sides do wrong unlike someone

[Boost32]

and considering there are Kirkwall Templars in the Inquisition, why can't we ever bring up how they tried to kill innocent mages?

Dont know, you should ask the writers

Lol'd really hard here.

You should have trusted the templar sixth sense, they are good in fiding problematic mages

[Barquiel]

There is a rationale behind a mage player going to the Templars. There's something about Redcliff that feels "off" right from the beginning. Admittedly, both missions have something off about them, but all things being equal...A pro-mage player can conscript the Templars.

Playing as a mage I'm still more motivated to help my fellow mages. I'd feel guilty about abandoning them to their fate...and I really can't say the same about the templars.

[Carmen_Willow]

"Theen let Cass rebuild the seekers and side with the mages. That way, the mages get freedom while the Seekers hunt down any abominations and rogue mages. Best of both worlds.."

 

You can't because Seekrs have different skills from Templars. Like it or not, there will always be a need for policemen and jailors in Thedas, and some of them must be trained to deal with magic. Templars are the cops, Seekers are FBI.

 

People trained to deal with abominations and magic are needed. They also PROTECT mages as well from people who would kill them.

 

I don't want to put mages in Circles again where they are forced to be there, although I think that there should be schools for mages of all ages that help them learn to control their power. A modified boarding school system for young mages would be a good thing. Remember many of them literally get run out of town by the mundane inhabitants of the village.

 

People trained in the Templar skills, people trained to deal with demons and rogue mages are always going to be needed, and because they are flawed sentinent beings as we all are some of them are going to be bad people and abuse their powers. That's why those who discipline the Templars will always be needed as well, just as the real world needs policemen and jailors.

[nikki-tikki]

OP already picked templars....

[thesuperdarkone2]

Playing as a mage I'm still more motivated to help my fellow mages. I'd feel guilty about abandoning them to their fate...and I really can't say the same about the templars.

I consider it karmic that the templars' attempt to stop the mages wound up destroying them. Those willing to give up the fight wound up living while those that didn't got turned into red templars. A fitting end for the Templar Order. Destroyed by its own hatred.

[AresKeith]

I consider it karmic that the templars' attempt to stop the mages wound up destroying them. Those willing to give up the fight wound up living while those that didn't got turned into red templars. A fitting end for the Templar Order. Destroyed by its own hatred.

 

That's a double standard in effect, because it would also be considered karmic for Mages their desire for freedom lead them to become mindless slaves to the Venatori