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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Nope.
Kind of a let down.
I really wish that peace talk war table op had been a actual quest.

Many war table missions should have been an actual quest.

[Riven326]

He only had like a ten second cameo for the mage run anyway so it isn't a major loss.

Yeah, but it's Alistair, he's awesome.

[AresKeith]

Many war table missions should have been an actual quest.

 

That sounds so much like ME3 and their fetch quests lol

[Riven326]

One more question. Why did Leliana look like a corpse during the mage questline?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

And Alexius' deal, even if it was indentured servitude, would allow them to live in a place that didn't fear them, especially after the Breach and with so many most likely quick to blame them.

 

The Vints may not have feared them, but they would not have accepted dirty southern refugees as equals any more than the Templars would have.

 

I had Alexius serve the mages as punishment and he said he would have preferred death!

 

"When the Conclave was destroyed, these poor souls faced the brutality of the Templars, who rushed to attack them. It could only be through Divine providence that I arrived when I did."

 

Take that as you will

 

Yeah, he totally did not sound like a weasel or anything when he said that.

[Master Warder Z_]

One more question. Why did Leliana look like a corpse during the mage questline?

Torture and blood rituals.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

That sounds so much like ME3 and their fetch quests lol

Please don't mention it. I'm still hurt that we never got a chance to visit Elcor home world, to see their troops with mounted canon on back in action. Hanar home world or Krogan riding dinosaurs into battle. ;_;

[Riven326]

The Vints may not have feared them, but they would not have accepted dirty southern refugees as equals any more than the Templars would have.

 

I had Alexius serve the mages as punishment and he said he would have preferred death!

 

 

Yeah, he totally did not sound like a weasel or anything when he said that.

I actually wanted to do business with the guy and thought I could negotiate a deal for the release of the mages or something else. But then I remembered I was playing a BioWare game and everything is on rails.

[Riven326]

Torture and blood rituals.

I don't know about blood rituals, but since when does torture make someone look like Justice? Also, if someone is in that bad of shape, how can he or she manage to snap a persons neck and just go about fighting hordes of monsters as if it's just another day at the office?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I actually wanted to do business with the guy and thought I could negotiate a deal for the release of the mages or something else. But then I remembered I was playing a BioWare game and everything is on rails.

 

It's too bad we didn't get Caladrius. 

[AresKeith]

I don't know about blood rituals, but since when does torture make someone look like Justice? Also, if someone is in that bad of shape, how can he or she manage to snap a persons neck and just go about fighting hordes of monsters as if it's just another day at the office?

 

I think they was using Red Lyrium to drain her or something 

[SgtSteel91]

The Vints may not have feared them, but they would not have accepted dirty southern refugees as equals any more than the Templars would have.

 

I had Alexius serve the mages as punishment and he said he would have preferred death!

 

Better than being killed, which was what Fiona thought was going to happen if they were left to the Templars.

 

Most of the options have him say that he'd prefer death, the exception being jailed.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I don't know about blood rituals, but since when does torture make someone look like Justice? Also, if someone is in that bad of shape, how can he or she manage to snap a persons neck and just go about fighting hordes of monsters as if it's just another day at the office?

 

iirc, her skin was blight-resistant and was harvested to help cure/save Felix, but I have no memory of where I heard/read that (I feel like Nightmare wiped my mind).

[Master Warder Z_]

I think they was using Red Lyrium to drain her or something

Almost.

They were transplanting her flesh on to red lyrium users.

[Riven326]

Almost.

They were transplanting her flesh on to red lyrium users.

I'm reading that it has something to do with darkspawn corruption. Is this part of it?

[AresKeith]

I'm reading that it has something to do with darkspawn corruption. Is this part of it?

 

the red lyrium has a connection to the blight 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Better than being killed, which was what Fiona thought was going to happen if they were left to the Templars.

 

Which brings us back to the circular-logic of Fiona and her followers: they believed themselves slaves/prisoners and accepted the risk of death by breaking away, but later made themselves slaves/prisoners to save themselves for dying. You either believe their freedom is worth dying for, or you do not. If they believed it, they should not have taken the Vints' offer and faced the Templars. If not, they should not have broken away in the first place.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm reading that it has something to do with darkspawn corruption. Is this part of it?

Presumably they were trying to refine red lyrium.

Keep the power lose the blight side effects.

[Riven326]

the red lyrium has a connection to the blight 

I see. Well, it's still stupid for her to be able to kick everyone's ass after being tortured and experimented on after all that time.

[SgtSteel91]

Which brings us back to the circular-logic of Fiona and her followers: they believed themselves slaves/prisoners and accepted the risk of death by breaking away, but later made themselves slaves/prisoners to save themselves for dying. You either believe their freedom is worth dying for, or you do not. If they believed it, they should not have taken the Vints' offer and faced the Templars. If not, they should not have broken away in the first place.

 

 

I think that's kind of a point, they shot their cause in the foot with this deal and it's why Fiona and most of the Mages either accept being conscripts of the Inquisition or get their act together and not let the Inquisitor's faith in them down if they are allies of the Inquisition.

 

To me, it's kind of similar to the Templar Order allowing a Demon control and corrupt their ranks or the Grey Wardens killing themselves in Blood Magic rituals to summoning a Demon army for a Darkspawn Magister. They went against their own causes in a moment of weakness and it's up to you whether they deserve a second chance or should be punished.

[snackrat]

For the ally with Mages option, you can later clarify that it's more like probation for the Mages and even start training your own Templars (even in secret) to watch them and make sure nothing bad happens. So it's not like allying with them is 100% "I approve of your rebellion and your choice in allies."

 

The only lines those decisions ever affect are the lines of those decisions themselves. Everyone outside the inquisition thinks you support what the mages have done and are angry. Everyone inside the inquisition thinks you support what the mages have done and are annoyed by the blowback. Even offhanded remarks about mages are "oh that time you freed mages" or "people are upset that you support what the mages did" etc etc.

 

Yeah I get that the politics would be all "augh you suck" no matter what you do because of the rumour mill - they'd decide why you did it and you'd be unable to tell them otherwise because they'd much rather just believe they're always right.

But even in your inner circle the game only cares about your actions, not your words. I would say they were on probation, and totally train templars, but everyone was still "augh why would you suport mage freedom that's so dangerous do you not even demons?"

[thesuperdarkone2]

The only lines those decisions ever affect are the lines of those decisions themselves. Everyone outside the inquisition thinks you support what the mages have done and are angry. Everyone inside the inquisition thinks you support what the mages have done and are annoyed by the blowback. Even offhanded remarks about mages are "oh that time you freed mages" or "people are upset that you support what the mages did" etc etc.

 

Yeah I get that the politics would be all "augh you suck" no matter what you do because of the rumour mill - they'd decide why you did it and you'd be unable to tell them otherwise because they'd much rather just believe they're always right.

But even in your inner circle the game only cares about your actions, not your words. I would say they were on probation, and totally train templars, but everyone was still "augh why would you suport mage freedom that's so dangerous do you not even demons?"

It's Bioware, choices were never really their strong suit. The Dragon Age series is even worse in that regard considering how many things are retconned. If you really want a game where choices matter, play Alpha Protocol.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm reading that it has something to do with darkspawn corruption. Is this part of it?

 

 

Alexius was trying to figure out how to save his son from the taint he had contracted. There are apparently varying degrees of resistance to Darkspawn corruption, and Leliana has a stronger resistance. They were experimenting on her and taking skin samples. But they were very likely trying to keep her alive as long as possible so that they could continue to do so. 

[Lady Artifice]

As long as both the circle and Templars as a institution exist we have common ground.

 

Hmm. I wonder how stable our common ground will be if I say that I think the rite of tranquility should be made entirely illegal. 

 

And that extensive research should be done to devise a system of curing demonic possession when possible. 

 

o.o

 

 

How's our common ground doing? 

[AresKeith]

Hmm. I wonder how stable our common ground will be if I say that I think the rite of tranquility should be made entirely illegal. 

 

And that extensive research should be done to devise a system of curing demonic possession when possible. 

 

o.o

 

 

How's our common ground doing? 

 

Personally I don't think it should be illegal, just returned to it's originally use before it got abused