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[Hellion Rex]

Went with mages in first playthrough but will have Templars be my canon for this time around.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hmm. I wonder how stable our common ground will be if I say that I think the rite of tranquility should be made entirely illegal.

And that extensive research should be done to devise a system of curing demonic possession when possible.

o.o


How's our common ground doing?

Fine.

I completely disagree but you are free to explain your argument.

[Lady Artifice]

Personally I don't think it should be illegal, just returned to it's originally use before it got abused

 

Well, I said I was an extreme pro-mage. People don't always seem to believe me at first.

 

Put me down as one not in favor of magical lobotomy. Ever. If the horror I felt at the idea before I read Asunder wasn't enough...Even calling it "tranquility" seems to be a misnomer. Karl's description of it, the terror Pharamond feels at the idea of a return to that state. Nothing ever revealed about tranquility makes me agree that it's any kind of mercy. 

 

To top it all off, the tranquil are often mistreated by both Mages and Templars. In my eyes, it's an utter horror story every single time we encounter a tranquil. 

[Steelcan]

some people have to be made tranquil because they can't control their power, others request it because they can't take the burden of magic

 

and some people just need it, like Adrian and that Erimond

[Lady Artifice]

Fine.

I completely disagree but you are free to explain your argument.

 

It's the Andrastian terror of magic that's kept Thedas from combating demonic possession successfully and without resorting to atrocities. It's possibly, if unlikely, to cure it. We saw as much in Origins. If there were a serious effort made, it would be possible to entirely alter the current system to something that's much more functional and not built on treating Mages like their already guilty of something before they've made a single choice in their life. 

 

I'm not saying do away with the circle entirely, no. I am saying everything should be done differently. Including the harrowing. Mages shouldn't be sent in unprepared. Efforts should be made to do away with the segregation between Templars and Mages. 

 

I'm also not saying all of this would go smoothly, but neither is the current system. 

[dragonflight288]

I hate tranquility, but I do see the need for it.

 

Ignoring the aspect on mages and how it affects them, there is also a logistical aspect to it. 

 

Without tranquil, any enchantment that isn't coming from a dwarf (or that one elven enchanter in Awakening) simply isn't possible. 

[Lady Artifice]

and some people just need it, like Adrian and that Erimond

 

Anders isn't also an example for you?

[dragonflight288]

It's the Andrastian terror of magic that's kept Thedas from combating demonic possession successfully and without resorting to atrocities. It's possibly, if unlikely, to cure it. We saw as much in Origins. If there were a serious effort made, it would be possible to entirely alter the current system to something that's much more functional and not built on treating Mages like their already guilty of something before they've made a single choice in their life. 

 

I'm not saying do away with the circle entirely, no. I am saying everything should be done differently. Including the harrowing. Mages shouldn't be sent in unprepared. Efforts should be made to do away with the segregation between Templars and Mages. 

 

I'm also not saying all of this would go smoothly, but neither is the current system. 

 

The current system pretty much collapsed under its own weight, and in pretty much every ending of Inquisition the old status quo is gone for good. 

 

That's the nice thing about the game. It comes in degrees so players can affect things how they want. 

[AresKeith]

Anders isn't also an example for you?

 

He got the Rite of Murder Knife

[Master Warder Z_]

Ah his shrill cries of terror, his protesting on the grounds he's a lord.

I like to head cannon my Inquisitor looked him in the eye the entire time he was getting branded.

From the moment it began until all the emotion and magic left him.

Now tranquil Alexius has a playmate!

[Lady Artifice]

I hate tranquility, but I do see the need for it.

 

Ignoring the aspect on mages and how it affects them, there is also a logistical aspect to it. 

 

Without tranquil, any enchantment that isn't coming from a dwarf (or that one elven enchanter in Awakening) simply isn't possible. 

 

Every positive change that has ever happened in human history has involved tremendous complications and difficulties. There's a hundred and five logical reasons not to do away the rite. 

 

And for me, the whole lot of them together can't counter balance the monstrosity of the practice. 

[Steelcan]

Anders isn't also an example for you?

you can murder knife him, no reason to tranquil

[Boost32]

It's the Andrastian terror of magic that's kept Thedas from combating demonic possession successfully and without resorting to atrocities. It's possibly, if unlikely, to cure it. We saw as much in Origins. If there were a serious effort made, it would be possible to entirely alter the current system to something that's much more functional and not built on treating Mages like their already guilty of something before they've made a single choice in their life. 
 
I'm not saying do away with the circle entirely, no. I am saying everything should be done differently. Including the harrowing. Mages shouldn't be sent in unprepared. Efforts should be made to do away with the segregation between Templars and Mages. 
 
I'm also not saying all of this would go smoothly, but neither is the current system.

Only if the host agreed to the possession it can be cured, if the possession was forced on the host, it cant be cured.

[dragonflight288]

Every positive change that has ever happened in human history has involved tremendous complications and difficulties. There's a hundred and five logical reasons not to do away the rite. 

 

And for me, the whole lot of them together doesn't counter balance the monstrosity of the practice. 

 

And that's a perfectly legitimate reason to oppose it. 

 

It's why I also hate it. But when I think of Orana (http://dragonage.wik...quility_(amulet)) I can see why she felt like she needed tranquility.

 

Poor girl. 

[Lady Artifice]

The current system pretty much collapsed under its own weight, and in pretty much every ending of Inquisition the old status quo is gone for good. 

 

That's the nice thing about the game. It comes in degrees so players can affect things how they want. 

 

Yes, and I don't actually ever expect Thedas to be a dreamland of equality, hamony, and democracy. I probably wouldn't play the games if it were. How many people would? I have no issue with how things are being handled in the story as a matter of degrees. It would be unrealistic if it were different.

 

To be honest, while what I said about my thoughts on tranquility was true, I said it more to irritate Z than anything. 

[dragonflight288]

Yes, and I don't actually ever expect Thedas to be a dreamland of equality, hamony, and democracy. I probably wouldn't play the games if it were. How many people would? I have no issue with how things are being handled in the story as a matter of degrees. It would be unrealistic if it were different.

 

To be honest, while what I said about my thoughts on tranquility was true, I said it more to irritate Z than anything. 

 

Sweet! 

[Master Warder Z_]

you can murder knife him, no reason to tranquil

Steel my old comrade on this we must disagree.

Anders should have been cured of his possession and then put on trial.

You don't martyr terrorists.

You force them to submit.

[raging_monkey]

my opinion on tranquility is: if somebody wants to castrate themself let them... but i do take issue with it being used as a punishment. Either way the person dies

[dragonflight288]

my opinion on tranquility is: if somebody wants to castrate themself let them... but i do take issue with it being used as a punishment. Either way the person dies

 

From what I can gather from the lore, tranquility was never meant to be used as a punishment. 

 

But the Seekers stopped enforcing the rules and the templars became more comfortable with how much power they had and started abusing that power, and the rite of tranquility became more liberally used. 

[Steelcan]

Steel my old comrade on this we must disagree.

Anders should have been cured of his possession and then put on trial.

You don't martyr terrorists.

You force them to submit.

well curing him of possession would be problematic, namely since if he's rivaled Justice/Vengeance is responsible, not Anders

[Kierro Ren]

I went with mages for a few reasons. One is Fiona, and who she's... um connected to. I just couldn't bring my self to join the Templars, and finish the Haven attack. Even if my Inq didn't know who she truly was.

 

Spoiler

If Alistair's a half breed, would that effect his king status? I don't remember an Elf, or an Elf Blooded being king.

 

Another thing would be, the Red Templars seem pretty scarey. It's also a switcharoo, instead of Templars saving everyone from the mages, it's the mages saving everyone from the Templars

[Lady Artifice]

Steel my old comrade on this we must disagree.

Anders should have been cured of his possession and then put on trial.

You don't martyr terrorists.

You force them to submit.

 

It's like I learn something new, and more scary, about you every day. 

[raging_monkey]

From what I can gather from the lore, tranquility was never meant to be used as a punishment. 
 
But the Seekers stopped enforcing the rules and the templars became more comfortable with how much power they had and started abusing that power, and the rite of tranquility became more liberally used.

aware of this just stating a opinion. Either way the mage dies

[raging_monkey]

It's like I learn something new, and more scary, about you every day.

you get used it lol

[Steelcan]

also Z, there is something that separates us

 

 

 

you are somehow less so