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[raging_monkey]

OP already picked templars....

wont stop a MT fight were both fandoms are so far up there coal mine they cant help but fight

[Vita Brevis]

You can't because Seekrs have different skills from Templars. Like it or not, there will always be a need for policemen and jailors in Thedas, and some of them must be trained to deal with magic. Templars are the cops, Seekers are FBI.

The truth is, no special skills are requaired to deal with a scrappy blood mage or an abomination failed to pass the harrowing. Tevinter proved it, it just require soldiers. If we're talking about something like Solas, templars are also useless because they can't possibly do anything to such a creature.

So, useless and unjustified order of a brute self-righteous morons.

[thesuperdarkone2]

The truth is, no special skills are requaired to deal with a scrappy blood mage or abomination failed to pass the harrowing. Tevinter proved it, it just require soldiers. If we speak about something like Solas, templars are also useless because they san't possibly do anything to such a creature.

So, useless and unjustified order of a brute self-righteous morons.

Don't forget that there is a school of magic that allows mages to dispel magic. In other words, a school of magic that lets mages fight other mages.

[Boost32]

"Theen let Cass rebuild the seekers and side with the mages. That way, the mages get freedom while the Seekers hunt down any abominations and rogue mages. Best of both worlds.."
 
You can't because Seekrs have different skills from Templars. Like it or not, there will always be a need for policemen and jailors in Thedas, and some of them must be trained to deal with magic. Templars are the cops, Seekers are FBI.
 
People trained to deal with abominations and magic are needed. They also PROTECT mages as well from people who would kill them.
 
I don't want to put mages in Circles again where they are forced to be there, although I think that there should be schools for mages of all ages that help them learn to control their power. A modified boarding school system for young mages would be a good thing. Remember many of them literally get run out of town by the mundane inhabitants of the village.
 
People trained in the Templar skills, people trained to deal with demons and rogue mages are always going to be needed, and because they are flawed sentinent beings as we all are some of them are going to be bad people and abuse their powers. That's why those who discipline the Templars will always be needed as well, just as the real world needs policemen and jailors.

A word of advice, you should drop this discussion and let them have the last word. You will start repeating yourself and not good will come of it.

[nikki-tikki]

wont stop a MT fight were both fandoms are so far up there coal mine they cant help but fight

 

Sad, but true. 

[Boost32]

That's a double standard in effect, because it would also be considered karmic for Mages their desire for freedom lead them to become mindless slaves to the Venatori

There is no proof they are mindless slaves, the only time the rebel mages are mentioned is in a banter between Bull and Dorian, and it doesnt say they were brainwashed.

Iron Bull: I guess the Vints will be pissed with you after warning everyone at Haven.
Dorian: Not that my warning did much good.
Iron Bull: Didn't see any rebel mages coming to do it.
Dorian: There is that. The ones who didn't join the Venatori either ran off or were killed.
Iron Bull: Ah, see? Good on you. Way to join the underdogs.
Dorian: I'm thrilled, really.

[raging_monkey]

Sad, but true.

thats why i make shots at both sides

[thesuperdarkone2]

There is no proof they are mindless slaves, the only time the rebel mages are mentioned is in a banter between Bull and Dorian, and it doesnt say they were brainwashed.

Iron Bull: I guess the Vints will be pissed with you after warning everyone at Haven.
Dorian: Not that my warning did much good.
Iron Bull: Didn't see any rebel mages coming to do it.
Dorian: There is that. The ones who didn't join the Venatori either ran off or were killed.
Iron Bull: Ah, see? Good on you. Way to join the underdogs.
Dorian: I'm thrilled, really.

Not unless you count the guide, the note in the hissing wastes, or Leliana's version of the investigate redcliffe castle mission. Explain what kind of ritual the Venatori were performing on the mages given that Calpernia's version does reveal that the Venatori use brainwashing.

[nikki-tikki]

thats why i make shots at both sides

 

I tend to try to be somewhere like 60% Templar 40% Mage....only because Mages have the slight disadvantage of becoming possessed by demons/blood magic shenanigans. 

 

And templars (according to Cullen) are regarded as one of the best fighters in Thedas. Although Templar can become corrupt pretty easily which is why I make sure that Cassandra recreates the Seekers to watch them. 

[themageguy]

wont stop a MT fight were both fandoms are so far up there coal mine they cant help but fight

Yep, was a bit sad to see. Not surprising, just disappointing.

[raging_monkey]

I tend to try to be somewhere like 60% Templar 40% Mage....only because Mages have the slight disadvantage of becoming possessed by demons/blood magic shenanigans. 
 
And templars (according to Cullen) are regarded as one of the best fighters in Thedas. Although Templar can become corrupt pretty easily which is why I make sure that Cassandra recreates the Seekers to watch them.

im the reverse

[nikki-tikki]

im the reverse

Each to their own. 

[raging_monkey]

Yep, was a bit sad to see. Not surprising, just disappointing.

MT threads are flame wars sadly... that and elf stuff... you get used to it

[raging_monkey]

Each to their own.

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[Lady Artifice]

Playing as a mage I'm still more motivated to help my fellow mages. I'd feel guilty about abandoning them to their fate...and I really can't say the same about the templars.

 

I feel just as bad abandoning the mages while playing as a rogue or a warrior. My default inquisitor is a rogue who loves all things arcane, and would have never favored the Templars over the mages...In fact, none of my more personal Inquisitors would. 

 

I'm consoled, however, by how much more I enjoy the narrative in the Templar path. 

[Boost32]

Not unless you count the guide, the note in the hissing wastes, or Leliana's version of the investigate redcliffe castle mission. Explain what kind of ritual the Venatori were performing on the mages given that Calpernia's version does reveal that the Venatori use brainwashing.

Im not saying they arent brainwashed, Im saying there is no proof they are brainwashed.
The guide is full of errors and interpretations, its not made by BW, its not canon.
The Leliana version of investigate Redcliff mentions the Venatori were doing a ritual, nothing more, it doesnt mentions any rebel mage, here it is:

Spoiler

Thanks to Sister Leliana’s information, we were able to enter Redcliffle Castle with none the wiser. While most of the main force had long since departed, a small group of Tevinter mages was still present. They were in the middle of some sort of ritual when we arrived. We interrupted it and captured one of the mages alive. The rest fought to the death. Hopefully Sister Leliana can get useful information from the survivor about what happened at Redcliffe Castle.

Lieutenant Cremisius Aclassi

About the Hissing Waste codex, its doesnt exist, if it existed you would be Able to provide a link to it.

Calpernia version was not brainwash, was a biding spell that Corypheus used on Erasthenes and was Planing to use it on Calpernia, there is no proof he used it to brainwash the rebel mages.

[raging_monkey]

I just look at the entire situation and think there has to be a better way of doing things and why the hell are those in power not looking for it? Also, I really can't favor one side over the other, because both sides are full of good and bad people.

agreed but i do favor mages due just why not reasons

[Bad King]

It surprises me how many people think that Ser Barris is so awesome. He just seems like a regular templar grunt to me with no personality beyond 'we need to stop this evil demon/we made a big mistake' (which any templar in their right mind would say once they found out they had been duped by a demon). With Cullen in the Inquisition and Samson as the Red Templar leader, it's as though BioWare ran out of pre-existing templar NPCs to use in the mission. IMO, Knight-Commander Greagoir should have been in Barris' place as the uncorrupted templar that leads his fellows against the corruption in the order.

 

In regard to which side to pick from a non-metagaming perspective, I think from both a practical and moral perspective that the mages are definitely the wiser option.

 

At the end of the day, the templars are a military faction with some lyrium fuelled powers while the mages have greater magical abilities and scholars amongst them that may have a better knowledge of the mechanics of the Fade, making them the safer bet for closing the breach. Furthermore, going for the mages means that you deal directly with the Venatori threat rather than turn your back on it and although Alexius sets a trap, Dorian's support and Leliana's scouts made it a likely failure. Lastly, from a purely moral perspective, we need to look at the composition of these factions. The templars are trained warriors who have dedicated their lives to fighting evil magic and defeating it, whatever the cost (even death). The mages meanwhile consist predominantly of innocent people who didn't want a war, and many of them are children. IMO, sacrificing a military organisation whose members are willing to lay down their lives is better than sacrificing innocent people.

[Vita Brevis]

It surprises me how many people think that Ser Barris is so awesome. He just seems like a regular templar grunt to me with no personality beyond 'we need to stop this evil demon/we made a big mistake' 

I know, right? And that also says a lot when an average guy considered to be so cool because he's suddenly a decent man (gasp), since is rare as f for the templars. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

About the Hissing Waste codex, its doesnt exist, if it existed you would be Able to provide a link to it.

Calpernia version was not brainwash, was a biding spell that Corypheus used on Erasthenes and was Planing to use it on Calpernia, there is no proof he used it to brainwash the rebel mages.

Why is it so difficult to accept that the mages are brainwashed? Are you seriously that desperate to find any excuse to hate on the mage side? If you think that, then the Templars who became red templars retained their minds and are perfectly willing to help a darkspawn MAGISTER take over thedas and kill innocent people to make more red lyrium. Assuming neither side is brainwashed, the Templars are way worse considering how they apparently have no problem enslaving innocent people and turning them into red lyrium.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I've gone through the Hissing Waste 3 times now. I still have not been able to find the note you speak of.

 

A screenshot would be nice.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I know, right? And that also says a lot when an average guy considered to be so cool because he's suddenly a decent man (gasp), since is rare as f for the templars. 

This, especially when you consider that there were already good templars like Thrask and Evangeline. Why don't they get any support threads yet apparently Barris gets so many threads when his only personality trait is reasonable Templar. The fact that he is so exalted as an exception rather than the norm speaks volumes about the Templars. I think the fact that Barris exists is just used to further the pro-templar circlejerk that Inquisition created since now templar supporters can proudly say they support the Templars and not look like total bad since the templars aren't total douchebags in the game. I doubt Barris would be as popular if he existed in DAO or DA2.

[Digger1967]

Ok, so the Red Templars signed on to help a darkspawn Magister and kill innocent people.  A lot of them were probably just doing it because the health insurance benefits are so good.  Plus from what I hear they have a really good clubhouse, so there is that.

[raging_monkey]

I've gone through the Hissing Waste 3 times now. I still have not been able to find the note you speak of.
 
A screenshot would be nice.

as a pro-mage(at its fullest) id also wish to see this note. If only for amusement