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[MisterJB]

You are more concerned with us not accepting that ending than we are with it existing.
Is the need to forcibly convert all opposing viewpoints mandatory in order to join the mage side?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

i fuel it cause i get off on it lol.... that and its funny.

And i only contribute if i have something to add and when i do its quesions and open theories

Told ya, we do have something in common. It's entertaining, and sometimes you even learn something new from people debating or discussion.   

 

At least you're civil, and you have a tact and you respect people right to their own belief and opinion. Of course, it's all good until people start attacking each other, or insult their family member.

[AresKeith]

You are more concerned with us not accepting that ending than we are with it existing.
Is the need to forcibly convert all opposing viewpoints mandatory in order to join the mage side?

 

Hell I know Pro-mages who likes Cass and Vivienne more

[raging_monkey]

Told ya, we do have something in common. It's entertaining, and sometimes you even learn something new from people debating or discussion.   
 
At least you're civil, and you have a tact and you respect people right to their own belief and opinion. Of course, it's all good until people start attacking each other, or insult their family member.

yup always good to learn new viewpoints you might add theirs to yours or vice versa

I try to be civil but when we devolve to personal shots... i gotta be the raging monkey and not just monkey. Dislike eachother all you want... but be civil XD

[raging_monkey]

Hell I know Pro-mages who likes Cass and Vivienne more

thats the thing on the bsn promage is very broad and has a wide spectrum of what "promage" is

Protemplar is the same

By technicality im protemp on things... others promage... very confusing lol

[Cespar]

Of course the freedom of mages will backfire. The people of Thedas isn't use to that, so don't expect them to warm over to that any time soon. The Epilogue of Inquisition gave us only Morrigan's viewpoint, but not the details of the general consensus of the people.  

 

Comparison from real life: 

Think of the abolishment of slavery. They were free, but people still abused them. It'll take some time to accept mages, maybe a movement of some kind, then the word of Leliana, who could be assassinate at anytime. 

[AresKeith]

thats the thing on the bsn promage is very broad and has a wide spectrum of what "promage" is

Protemplar is the same

By technicality im protemp on things... others promage... very confusing lol

 

So your promiddle

[MisterJB]

Leliana ended two millenia of ethnic conflicts through words and in the span of a few months.
Accept it or you're a pessimistic Bigot.

[raging_monkey]

So your promiddle

im pro-whoever isnt a jackarse lol

But really: im promagic dont care whose in charge just let magic be to do its thing

[Vita Brevis]

Hell I know Pro-mages who likes Cass and Vivienne more

Liking Cass is easy no matter what -pro you are. Cause she's awesome.

Vivienne is also awesome in her own way, so it's not that controversial really.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

yup always good to learn new viewpoints you might add theirs to yours or vice versa

I try to be civil but when we devolve to personal shots... i gotta be the raging monkey and not just monkey. Dislike eachother all you want... but be civil XD

I like to think that I'm more of a learner than a teacher, and I learn a lot of things from people on the BSN, but sometimes it's feel good that my viewpoints give people something to think about, it doesn't matter if they agree or disagree, hell it doesn't matter if they hate me for having my own viewpoints. I only express my opinion. XD

 

So...I take it that you're peacekeeper, sheriff of the town eh? I see you try to calm heated argument, and stop the debate from devolving to personal shots before. Can I be your deputy?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Of course the freedom of mages will backfire. The people of Thedas isn't use to that, so don't expect them to warm over to that any time soon. The Epilogue of Inquisition gave us only Morrigan's viewpoint, but not the details of the general consensus of the people.  

 

Comparison from real life: 

Think of the abolishment of slavery. They were free, but people still abused them. It'll take some time to accept mages, maybe a movement of some kind, then the word of Leliana, who could be assassinate at anytime. 

And if it doesn't? People act as though it backfiring is assured but have you considered that it might not? What would you do if it not only doesn't backfire but winds up working? Consider that unlike DAO where the endings were pretty final since they didn't know if they were going to get more games, the devs outright said that there are going to be more DA games and thus the endings were made with the knowledge that there are going to be more games. Why would they put the option there if they were going to retcon it? People thought the DR would backfire and it hasn't. People thought the Architect decision would backfire and it hasn't. Funny how the only decision that seems to have backfired is siding with the Templars in DA2.

 

Also, remember that this is a video game. Regardless of what would happen in real life, if the devs want something to happen, it's going to happen no matter how illogical you think it is.

[AresKeith]

Leliana ended two millenia of ethnic conflicts through words and in the span of a few months.
Accept it or you're a pessimistic Bigot.

 

I wonder if Bioware realized how unrealistic that was after the finished the game

[raging_monkey]

I like to think that I'm more of a learner than a teacher, and I learn a lot of things from people on the BSN, but sometimes it's feel good that my viewpoints give people something to think about, it doesn't matter if they agree or disagree, hell it doesn't matter if they hate me for having my own viewpoints. I only express my opinion. XD
 
So...I take it that you're peacekeeper, sheriff of the town eh? I see you try to calm heated argument, and stop the debate from devolving to personal shots before. Can I be your deputy?

* gives badge* yes you can i need deputies... they die alot trying to keep the bsn safe lol

So adding that to my sig lol

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

* gives badge* yes you can i need deputies... they die alot trying to keep the bsn safe lol

So adding that to my sig lol

Oh hell no, I didn't sign up for this ****. I won't becoming anyone's cannon fodder. You can't force me!!! *run away*

[AresKeith]

Why would they put the option there if they were going to retcon it? 

 

Is this a serious question?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

same could be said bout the other right haha

 

Nope. The Circle already has a proven record: over 900 years that it worked effectively.  Last time the mages were given unchecked control over the Circles, the magisters rose to power again. I am sure it was wonderful for a short time, but when you get lax with regulation and oversight, people take miles on the inch.

 

Leliana has a lot more to prove than the other two.

[Xilizhra]

Leliana ended two millenia of ethnic conflicts through words and in the span of a few months.
Accept it or you're a pessimistic Bigot.

Shepard ended centuries of genocidal hatred within the span of about a minute in ME3. This kind of thing is hardly without precedent.

[Cespar]

And if it doesn't? People act as though it backfiring is assured but have you considered that it might not? What would you do if it not only doesn't backfire but winds up working? Consider that unlike DAO where the endings were pretty final since they didn't know if they were going to get more games, the devs outright said that there are going to be more DA games and thus the endings were made with the knowledge that there are going to be more games. Why would they put the option there if they were going to retcon it? People thought the DR would backfire and it hasn't. People thought the Architect decision would backfire and it hasn't. Funny how the only decision that seems to have backfired is siding with the Templars in DA2.

It's going to go wrong somewhere, unless you kill everyone on Thedas that grew up in this time period. They aren't going to accept change so easily. 

I bet you have a daily routine or something that you're use to doing a lot. But when one little thing is out of order, it probably throws you off, and even makes you a little mad. Even use these forums for an example. People were upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't like Origins, and there were many outcry about the changes. It was something that they wasn't use too, and they wanted order back.

 

The people of  Southern Thedas aren't use to mages living side by side with them, and they'll want order back, eventually. The circle is needed, but with more freedom for the mages, which is exactly what Cassandra does at Divine. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Shepard ended centuries of genocidal hatred within the span of about a minute in ME3. This kind of thing is hardly without precedent.

Let's also add what the Warden does:

 

Help resolve a succession crisis in Orzammar and rediscovers the secrets of golem-making

 

Fight through an entire tower of abominations and demons even when it is said entire groups of templars have difficulty with even 1 abomination

 

Fight through an entire forest of werewolves and possessed trees to recruit an entire clan of dalish or pack of werewolves

 

Can help save an entire town from an undead attack

 

Finds the long lost urn of sacred ashes

 

Crowns the new Ferelden monarch(s)

 

Can potentially be the first warden to not die when killing an archdemon

 

All of this in the span of a year. 

[raging_monkey]

Oh hell no, I didn't sign up for this ****. I won't becoming anyone's cannon fodder. You can't force me!!! *run away*

its like joining the wardens... submit yourself to the taint for a higher cause lol sides its shiny

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's going to go wrong somewhere, unless you kill everyone on Thedas that grew up in this time period. They aren't going to accept change so easily. 

I bet you have a daily routine or something that you're use to doing a lot. But when one little thing is out of order, it probably throws you off, and even makes you a little mad. Even use these forums for an example. People were upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't like Origins, and there were many outcry about the changes. It was something that they wasn't use too, and they wanted order back.

 

The people of  Southern Thedas aren't use to mages living side by side with them, and they'll want order back, eventually. The circle is needed, but with more freedom for the mages, which is exactly what Cassandra does at Divine. 

What would you do if it didn't go wrong? The current trend seems to support mage freedom not backfiring.

[raging_monkey]

Let's also add what the Warden does:
 
Help resolve a succession crisis in Orzammar and rediscovers the secrets of golem-making
 
Fight through an entire tower of abominations and demons even when it is said entire groups of templars have difficulty with even 1 abomination
 
Fight through an entire forest of werewolves and possessed trees to recruit an entire clan of dalish or pack of werewolves
 
Can help save an entire town from an undead attack
 
Finds the long lost urn of sacred ashes
 
Crowns the new Ferelden monarch(s)
 
Can potentially be the first warden to not die when killing an archdemon
 
All of this in the span of a year.

lets not use PCs its too broken

[Xilizhra]

It's going to go wrong somewhere, unless you kill everyone on Thedas that grew up in this time period. They aren't going to accept change so easily. 

I bet you have a daily routine or something that you're use to doing a lot. But when one little thing is out of order, it probably throws you off, and even makes you a little mad. Even use these forums for an example. People were upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't like Origins, and there were many outcry about the changes. It was something that they wasn't use too, and they wanted order back.

 

The people of  Southern Thedas aren't use to mages living side by side with them, and they'll want order back, eventually. The circle is needed, but with more freedom for the mages, which is exactly what Cassandra does at Divine. 

And what will you do when the series continues to show that Leliana's reforms aren't doomed after all?

[AresKeith]

Let's also add what the Warden does:

 

Help resolve a succession crisis in Orzammar and rediscovers the secrets of golem-making

 

Fight through an entire tower of abominations and demons even when it is said entire groups of templars have difficulty with even 1 abomination

 

Fight through an entire forest of werewolves and possessed trees to recruit an entire clan of dalish or pack of werewolves

 

Can help save an entire town from an undead attack

 

Finds the long lost urn of sacred ashes

 

Crowns the new Ferelden monarch(s)

 

Can potentially be the first warden to not die when killing an archdemon

 

All of this in the span of a year. 

 

None of which are on the level of getting rid of all that conflict in a unrealistic amount of time