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[Cespar]

What would you do if it didn't go wrong? The current trend seems to support mage freedom not backfiring.

What trend? Supporting mages in a small area?

[thesuperdarkone2]

And what will you do when the series continues to show that Leliana's reforms aren't doomed after all?

Probably the same thing that happened to people who though the DR would result in some unholy hellspawn that would destroy the world.

[Xilizhra]

Probably the same thing that happened to people who though the DR would result in some unholy hellspawn that would destroy the world.

They shut up and start attacking other things?

[Barquiel]

And what will you do when the series continues to show that Leliana's reforms aren't doomed after all?

I guess templar fans would complain that this wouldn't be "realistic"

[Cespar]

And what will you do when the series continues to show that Leliana's reforms aren't doomed after all?

In my world, Cassandra is the Divine with a new reformed circle. Leliana as divine won't really concern me that much. But hey, when little kids are making deals with demons, then the world will turn upside down again. Even Tevinter has circles. 

[MisterJB]

Your justification for awful writing is that Bioware once wrote something even worse?

I havê to point out the difference between presenting multiple nobles with evidence their loved ones had been tortured and that Loghain was sanctioning slavery and "The Geth don't want to fight you. If you believe in that really hard, this war will end".
Not that politics was ever Bioware's string point bt still...

[raging_monkey]

I hate the realism arguement. Its a fantasy game by defination its not realistic so can we not use it

[AresKeith]

I hate the realism arguement. Its a fantasy game by defination its not realistic so can we not use it

 

Even fantasy games have realistic elements in their world, someone (who's not the PC) ending a long conflict in a really short time is unrealistic 

[Xilizhra]

In my world, Cassandra is the Divine with a new reformed circle. Leliana as divine won't really concern me that much. But hey, when little kids are making deals with demons, then the world will turn upside down again. Even Tevinter has circles. 

The world will not turn upside-down, for the exact same reason that the OGB didn't do that.

 

 

Even fantasy games have realistic elements in their world, someone (who's not the PC) ending a long conflict in a really short time is unrealistic 

Leliana's as good as a PC.

[AresKeith]

Leliana's as good as a PC.

 

Bahahaha No

 

I like Leliana but she's far from it

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Those claiming that mage freedom will backfire should take a good look at other decisions they claimed would backfire and turned out not to such as the DR, sparing the Architect, and putting Bhelen on the throne.

 

lmao... I just love how many people in this fanbase -- full of people who hate characters on the basis of being ruthless and power-hungry -- champion Bhelen for king. Quite frankly, I do not believe for a second that they really believed him to be the preferable ruler of the two without meta-knowledge. If you are someone who did not support Alistair for king or kept the Anvil of the Void intact, I might believe it. Otherwise, to say I'm skeptical would be an understatement. Just imagine if he was the wrong choice. We'd hear no end of "See! That's what you get for placing some power-mad brute in power!"

 

It does not bother me since I am O.K. with not-so-nice people doing not-so-nice-things if they prove useful in their station. I just wonder what others' excuse is, especially when they whine about big bad Templar meanies and are not bothered by Harrowmont-caliber ineptitude when the mages display it.

[raging_monkey]

Even fantasy games have realistic elements in their world, someone (who's not the PC) ending a long conflict in a really short time is unrealistic

never said they didnt just dont always follow the same rules

[Cespar]

The world will not turn upside-down, for the exact same reason that the OGB didn't do that.

 

 

 

The OGB was apart of a secret ritual, but nice try. The freedom of mages is apart of everyone's life. 

[The Hierophant]

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers made all 3 divines' reigns near similar after introducing a post Inquisition event. Probably introduce a mage police force too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shepard ended centuries of genocidal hatred within the span of about a minute in ME3. This kind of thing is hardly without precedent.

To be fair, their choices were "Listen to Shepard" or "Get massacred by the Geth fleet". So there is more precedence for it working. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

What trend? Supporting mages in a small area?

In general, the games heavily leaned in favor to the mages. For starters, the support mage ending was clearly the good choice while the templar ending was the bad choice. For starters, the mage ending simply says that all abominations and demons were eventually cleared out and life went back to normal. If you sided with the templars, the ending goes how the circle became haunted, the townsfolk hated mages more, and Greagoir died and was replaced by Cullen who became a tyrant (I know it was retconned but still). Don't forget how fully supporting the Templars meant you lost your only other mage companion which potentially leaves you with Morrigan as your only mage.

 

Also, in DA2, Meredith is very clearly meant to be an antagonist by the end. She has no problem allowing templars to abuse and rape whatever mages they want, she lobotomizes people for the most inane reasons, and she sents death squads to kill anyone who was even remotely involved with mages. Don't forget how she plans to execute an entire circle for a crime they didn't even commit. Heck, if Anders stays with you and you side with the Templars, she's more focused on annuling the Gallows than actually punishing the person who destroyed the Chantry who is standing right there. Also, the story makes more sense for a Hawke who sided with the mages. Hawke is either an apostate or was the sibling of an apostate which makes being pro-templar quite strange since Act 1 is about ensuring the templars can't get you and being pro-templar is very strange when you spent your entire life trying to avoid them with no indication that you opposed this (take Anders' banter about the children of mages being taken away from them in Circles in MOTA. No Hawke, regardless of how pro-mage or templar you are says anything positive about this.) Plus, Hawke disappearing and Cassandra being accusatory of Hawke makes more sense if Hawke ran away after helping the mages rather than a Hawke who sided with the templars trying to keep order and stayed as Viscount.

 

Also, in Asunder, Lambert is very clearly intended to be a villain. Despite his viewpoints, Rhys and Evangeline who oppose him are way more sympathetic and show that the mage supporters are in the right against the dictatorial Lambert. It should be telling that there is literally nothing positive said about Lambert in Inquisition and Cole's banter even reveals he was more of a douchebag than previously believed. The closest thing that is said about him positively is Cass remarking that he shouldn't have been killed as it made the mage-templar war worse but even then Cass recants this and admits Lambert deserved to die.

 

Inquisition having the most pro-mage ending where you ally with the mages and have Leliana as Divine clearly shows that being pro-mage is considered a good thing. Why else would the devs include that ending with no negative consequences. 

[AresKeith]

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers makes all 3 divines' reigns near similar after introducing a post Inquisition event. Probably introduce a mage police force too.

 

They probably will do something like that to make it easier to reference the Divine in future games other than "Divine Victoria" 

[Xilizhra]

The OGB was apart of a secret ritual, but nice try. The freedom of mages is apart of everyone's life. 

You misunderstand. The reason is that they can't create a large crisis in future games based on choosing Leliana for Divine, because then it wouldn't happen for players who didn't, and thus they'd have less content.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Leliana's as good as a PC.

Top kek 

 

She's the writer's pet, but she's still very far from it.

[Ryzaki]

Your justification for awful writing is that Bioware once wrote something even worse?

I havê to point out the difference between presenting multiple nobles with evidence their loved ones had been tortured and that Loghain was sanctioning slavery and "The Geth don't want to fight you. If you believe in that really hard, this war will end".
Not that politics was ever Bioware's string point bt still...

 

To be fair with the Geth it's pretty true. The Quarians kept firing first and the Geth reacted.

 

That said I do prefer the ending where they fire once more and the Geth blow them out of the sky. But it's not completely out of the blue.

 

As for Leliana meh. It's great you pro mage people got your happy ending. I got my happy templar ending too (Plus Barris probably became a seeker ) so everyone won.

 

Mages are safe in their circles, Fiona's worm food, templars are back to guarding them so all's well in my game state.

[DanteYoda]

I'm pro mage too, after two games where the poor mages are jailed and treated no better than demons, i had to go with the underdogs..

 

I had no issues with Dorian in my story although Cole is just thrust on you at haven, by then i was not even sure who this Cole was, basically ignored the fruit cake the rest of the game to be honest, hes scary weird and not in a nice way like Sera..

 

Honestly apart from Cole the Mage stories seemed great to me.. less Demons more Mages it was refreshing to have nice mages for a change.

[AresKeith]

To be fair with the Geth it's pretty true. The Quarians kept firing first and the Geth reacted.

 

That said I do prefer the ending where they fire once more and the Geth blow them out of the sky. But it's not completely out of the blue.

 

As for Leliana meh. It's great you pro mage people got your happy ending. I got my happy templar ending too (Plus Barris probably became a seeker ) so everyone won.

 

Mages are safe in their circles, Fiona's worm food, templars are back to guarding them so all's well in my game state.

 

Cass as Divine?

[thesuperdarkone2]

You misunderstand. The reason is that they can't create a large crisis in future games based on choosing Leliana for Divine, because then it wouldn't happen for players who didn't, and thus they'd have less content.

If they think Leliana's ending should fail horribly, then all the other endings should fail horribly. Vivienne could have total war because she's a mage as divine and as for Cass, just look at this ending:

 

http://youtu.be/JSWK-C-w5SY?t=29m10s

[The Hierophant]

Inquisition having the most pro-mage ending where you ally with the mages and have Leliana as Divine clearly shows that being pro-mage is considered a good thing. Why else would the devs include that ending with no negative consequences.

The magi boon ending had no consequences too, oh wait? Just because an ending doesn't display immediate consequences it doesn't mean that future titles would be all sunshines, and rainbows. Unless you jacked Marty and Doc for the Delorean, and knows more than you're letting on?

[thesuperdarkone2]

The magi boon ending had no consequences too, oh wait? Just because an ending doesn't display immediate consequences it doesn't mean that future titles would be all sunshines, and rainbows. Unless you jacked Marty and Doc for the elorean and knows more than you're letting on?

DAO's endings were made on the belief that there possibly wouldn't be another DA game. However, the devs have said that there are going to be more DA games and Inquisition's endings were made on the knowledge that there are going to be more games. Why would they retcon this if they knew that there are going to be more games?