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Can't decide- ally with Templars or conscript Mages?


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#201
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To be fair with the Geth it's pretty true. The Quarians kept firing first and the Geth reacted.

 

That said I do prefer the ending where they fire once more and the Geth blow them out of the sky. But it's not completely out of the blue.

 

As for Leliana meh. It's great you pro mage people got your happy ending. I got my happy templar ending too (Plus Barris probably became a seeker :D ) so everyone won.

 

Mages are safe in their circles, Fiona's worm food, templars are back to guarding them so all's well in my game state.

I wonder how many people who sided with the Templars since they thought the mages should be punished for their decision sided with the quarians as the geth also sided with the obviously evil faction and knew full well that they were evil. If you sided with the templars because of who the mages sided with but sided with the geth or had peace in ME3, you are a gigantic hypocrite.



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If they think Leliana's ending should fail horribly, then all the other endings should fail horribly. Vivienne could have total war because she's a mage as divine and as for Cass, just look at this ending:

 

http://youtu.be/JSWK-C-w5SY?t=29m10s

 


 

If it makes you feel better I expect all of them to hit a road block :P



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 I am not a betting man, but I would make a very strong wager against BW canonizing Leliana's reforms as Divine.



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I wonder how many people who sided with the Templars since they thought the mages should be punished for their decision sided with the quarians as the geth also sided with the obviously evil faction and knew full well that they were evil. If you sided with the templars because of who the mages sided with but sided with the geth or had peace in ME3, you are a gigantic hypocrite.

 

Chill with the inflated ego bro


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 I am not a betting man, but I would make a very strong wager against BW canonizing Leliana's reforms as Divine.

 

That's if BW would even canonizing 



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 I am not a betting man, but I would make a very strong wager against BW canonizing Leliana's reforms as Divine.

Considering all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the templars, I'd say that the odds of more freedom are very likely.



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Considering all endings give mages more freedom and weaken the templars, I'd say that the odds of more freedom are very likely.

 

... which does not contradict what I said.



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DAO's endings were made on the belief that there possibly wouldn't be another DA game. However, the devs have said that there are going to be more DA games and Inquisition's endings were made on the knowledge that there are going to be more games. Why would they retcon this if they knew that there are going to be more games?

Nothing is set in stone. I don't expect the devs to keep to their word.

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In general, the games heavily leaned in favor to the mages. For starters, the support mage ending was clearly the good choice while the templar ending was the bad choice. For starters, the mage ending simply says that all abominations and demons were eventually cleared out and life went back to normal. If you sided with the templars, the ending goes how the circle became haunted, the townsfolk hated mages more, and Greagoir died and was replaced by Cullen who became a tyrant (I know it was retconned but still). Don't forget how fully supporting the Templars meant you lost your only other mage companion which potentially leaves you with Morrigan as your only mage.

 

Also, in DA2, Meredith is very clearly meant to be an antagonist by the end. She has no problem allowing templars to abuse and rape whatever mages they want, she lobotomizes people for the most inane reasons, and she sents death squads to kill anyone who was even remotely involved with mages. Don't forget how she plans to execute an entire circle for a crime they didn't even commit. Heck, if Anders stays with you and you side with the Templars, she's more focused on annuling the Gallows than actually punishing the person who destroyed the Chantry who is standing right there. Also, the story makes more sense for a Hawke who sided with the mages. Hawke is either an apostate or was the sibling of an apostate which makes being pro-templar quite strange since Act 1 is about ensuring the templars can't get you and being pro-templar is very strange when you spent your entire life trying to avoid them with no indication that you opposed this (take Anders' banter about the children of mages being taken away from them in Circles in MOTA. No Hawke, regardless of how pro-mage or templar you are says anything positive about this.) Plus, Hawke disappearing and Cassandra being accusatory of Hawke makes more sense if Hawke ran away after helping the mages rather than a Hawke who sided with the templars trying to keep order and stayed as Viscount.

 

Also, in Asunder, Lambert is very clearly intended to be a villain. Despite his viewpoints, Rhys and Evangeline who oppose him are way more sympathetic and show that the mage supporters are in the right against the dictatorial Lambert. It should be telling that there is literally nothing positive said about Lambert in Inquisition and Cole's banter even reveals he was more of a douchebag than previously believed. The closest thing that is said about him positively is Cass remarking that he shouldn't have been killed as it made the mage-templar war worse but even then Cass recants this and admits Lambert deserved to die.

 

Inquisition having the most pro-mage ending where you ally with the mages and have Leliana as Divine clearly shows that being pro-mage is considered a good thing. Why else would the devs include that ending with no negative consequences. 

Origins made the mages look like the good guys. I always supported the mages in Origins, but those mages didn't want to leave the circle, but fix the problems that was going on. They wanted to rebuild the circle because it was their home, not because they were prisoners there. Pro-Mages always want to speak for all of the mages, but not all of them want to leave the circle. The pro-mages are just as bad as the templars, because they're trying to force something on the pro-circle mages.

 
Meredith was the main antagonist in Dragon Age 2, there is not doubting that. But, there were so many blood mages running around killing innocents in Kirkwall that they aren't painted in a good light, either. The story makes just as sense to side with the templars. Hawke's mother was killed by a blood mage, and he could resent all mages for that or even think that they should be in circle, so things won't get out of hand again.
 
A blood mage started the events of Asunder.
 
The game isn't even finish, so don't say any negative consequences, yet.


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 I am not a betting man, but I would make a very strong wager against BW canonizing Leliana's reforms as Divine.

 

Indeed. Leliana's is doomed to be plagued by trouble because there's always going to be fear and hatred from the people stemming from the 1000 years or so magic has been stigmatized (the fact that Bioware included it at all as a serious thing  for how mages were now accepted makes me question their capabilities more and more). It won't just vanish in a few years. The events of the games can help reduce that fear, but it'd still be very high.

 

Vivienne's is also bound to be soaked in bloodshed since she's a mage Divine. Hell, I imagine it'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy. She'd crush the rebellions, only to have people look on her as being "no different then Tevinter" because of her ruthlessness in crushing them since she's a Mage (it'd be justified, but I'm speaking purely from a perspective of people in-universe) leading to more and more rebellions and death. Or so I figure.

 

Cassandra's is the only one I can realistically see working, maybe. Even then, that's not a mantle I'd give her unless I know for sure it won't kill the romance.


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My devine was Leliana, with blood in the halls as it should be :lol:

 

 

Exactly mine, other than Hawke went to Weisshaupt Fortress not Alistair.



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Now this topic is about our epilogues? I will upload mine too and post here too!



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Indeed. Leliana's is doomed to be plagued by trouble because there's always going to be fear and hatred from the people stemming from the 1000 years or so magic has been stigmatized (the fact that Bioware included it at all as a serious thing  for how mages were now accepted makes me question their capabilities more and more). It won't just vanish in a few years. The events of the games can help reduce that fear, but it'd still be very high.

 

Vivienne's is also bound to be soaked in bloodshed since she's a mage Divine. Hell, I imagine it'd be a self-fulfilling prophecy. She'd crush the rebellions, only to have people look on her as being "no different then Tevinter" because of her ruthlessness in crushing them since she's a Mage (it'd be justified, but I'm speaking purely from a perspective of people in-universe) leading to more and more rebellions and death. Or so I figure.

 

Cassandra's is the only one I can realistically see working, maybe. Even then, that's not a mantle I'd give her unless I know for sure it won't kill the romance.

Cassandra is the balance between Vivienne and Leliana. Give them more freedom, but doesn't return to the old ways of the circle, which is the best one imo. 



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 I am not a betting man, but I would make a very strong wager against BW canonizing Leliana's reforms as Divine.

Well, obviously they wouldn't canonize them for all players.



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Cassandra is the balance between Vivienne and Leliana. Give them more freedom, but doesn't return to the old ways of the circle, which is the best one imo. 

But neither Vivienne goes back to the old ways.

 

I think the difference between Vivienne and Cassandra is that Vivienne's Circles are obligatory (as you can see in her epilogue with mages, where she forces them back to the Circles) and Cassandra's Circles arent (since she invited the mages back to the Circles)



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But neither Vivienne goes back to the old ways.

 

I think the difference between Vivienne and Cassandra is that Vivienne's Circles are obligatory (as you can see in her epilogue with mages, where she forces them back to the Circles) and Cassandra's Circles arent (since she invited the mages back to the Circles)

My (only) Vivienne's ending said that she returned to the status quo. 



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My (only) Vivienne's ending said that she returned to the status quo. 

"Mages rise quickly in the new Circle, having more freedom and responsibility then ever before - even if all true power lies with her."

The circle is not the same, but her views as to where the Chantry should go are very conservative. I doubt she would open it to all races or rededicate the Chantry to charity.


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I wonder how many people who sided with the Templars since they thought the mages should be punished for their decision sided with the quarians as the geth also sided with the obviously evil faction and knew full well that they were evil. If you sided with the templars because of who the mages sided with but sided with the geth or had peace in ME3, you are a gigantic hypocrite.

 

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It's okay that people like different outcomes than you. It's okay.

 

Cass as Divine?

 

Of course! <3


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I wonder how many people who sided with the Templars since they thought the mages should be punished for their decision sided with the quarians as the geth also sided with the obviously evil faction and knew full well that they were evil. If you sided with the templars because of who the mages sided with but sided with the geth or had peace in ME3, you are a gigantic hypocrite.

I wish having peace with both Mages and Templars was an option in DAI as well, but Gaider doesn't like happy ending choices. :(



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I wish having peace with both Mages and Templars was an option in DAI as well, but Gaider doesn't like happy ending choices. :(

It's too bad we can't save them both. Ah, well, there goes my dream of assimilating both the Rebel Mages and Templars into the Inquisition, and punish both Fiona and Lucius or any rebel mages and renegade templars who resist the might of the Inquisition. Why can't this dream come true. :(



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It's too bad we can't save them both. Ah, well, there goes my dream of assimilating both the Rebel Mages and Templars into the Inquisition, and punish both Fiona and Lucius or any rebel mages and renegade templars who resist the might of the Inquisition. Why can't this dream come true. :(

 

Seriously if I could've killed Fiona regardless I might have sided with the mages more than a whooping one time.

 

Alas.



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Seriously if I could've killed Fiona regardless I might have sided with the mages more than a whooping one time.

 

Alas.

I wish we could put someone who's isn't complete idiot, and willing to compromise or listen to reasons in charge instead. Also thinking how she got off scot-free while those tranquils dies for nothing, and that war-table mage operation chain doesn't make it easier either, since you have to pay for Fiona's stupidity and clean after her ****, it's worst, especially if you conscript them it just further prove they'll need to be under surveillance for their own sake and other. 


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I wish we could put someone who's isn't complete idiot, and willing to compromise or listen to reasons in charge instead. Also thinking how she got off scot-free while those tranquils dies for nothing, and that war-table mage operation chain doesn't make it easier either, since you have to pay for Fiona's stupidity and clean after her ****, it's worst, especially if you conscript them it just further prove they'll need to be under surveillance for their own sake and other. 

 

I'm just baffled they thought she was still a good leader to follow after the Venatori BS. Just wut.

 

Ah well. Not my problem. *huggles Barris close* Dem lips.


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I'm just baffled they thought she was still a good leader to follow after the Venatori BS. Just wut.

 

Ah well. Not my problem. *huggles Barris close* Dem lips.

I'm baffled as well, and why people still seeing her as a good leader is beyond me.

 

Luckily, in my canon-playthrough if anyone asks me where or what happen to Fiona. I'm just going to point at that pile of ashes over there. :P



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I'm baffled as well, and why people still seeing her as a good leader is beyond me.

 

Luckily, in my canon-playthrough if anyone asks me where or what happen to Fiona. I'm just going to point at that pile of ashes over there. :P

 

Yep. =/

 

XD same. Yay multiple endings :P