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[C0uncil0rTev0s]

@OP

 

Sure, if this was Bioware's first attempt at building an RPG game. But it isn't.

 

Producing a defective product is NOT art. Besides, the art that may be there is lost when you paint your masterpiece on a piece of cardboard using poor quality paints.

 

Van Gogh's art survive because it is QUALITY. Something that is very lacking in DAI. Quality that SHOULD have been there, but isn't! Yes, this game had all the potential to be a masterpiece in its own time, but the artist neglected its quality.

 

Hence, our anger, you see?

Ofc I do. And I'm not fine with the game state.

In fact I'm with the ones who see DA:I broken at so many points (from tech issues to plot, from repetitive modelling to utterly secondary content and so on).

 

And I don't think anything can be brought to place as SP. That's why I consider building Multiplayer suggestions for the developer team, as MP isn't broken that bad.

[AWTEW]

You're perfectly right. Being casual RPG gamer is being uninterested in things that aren't counted a part of hardcore RPG gaming.

Uninterested in stats, in really different classes, in character building and complicated party-based tactical combat. Uninterested in making the choices fire back at you later in the plot, uninterested in so many things that are really important for 'hardcore RPG gamers'.

 

It isn't bad. It isn't good. It's different.

 

But as different we are we don't share a goal to pursue, you see? And the last part of my message is clear on that. I and other people who consider themselves 'hardcore RPG gamers' should quit arguing with casuals, find something we can agree on and work for it. Or quit.

 

P.S. You're a casual gamer, too.

 

Okay, I have to completely disagree with you on all points in the first paragraph, based on my own experience.

 

I'm a  'filthy-casual' I prefer to play most of my games on casual, for very good reasons. However, I love stats, using different classes, builds, and party based combat. Once upon a time, when Iw as younger I used to play RPG's on higher difficulties(even games that diidjn't have the option to save.).But then as I got older, my reflexes got worse and my eyesight is not what it used to be. It just became frustrating to play on hard difficulties, and I was no longer enjoying games. So, I had to go down to casual to enjoy games again.

 

So your assumption that 'casuals' are not interested in things like 'stats, party based builds, and ect.' Is short sighted, and frankly offensive.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

If you're having what I'll refer to as a "technical" discussion, where both people are on more or less the same page but need to communicate for the sole purpose of transferring information, then I absolutely agree that clarity soundly trumps the trappings of courtesy.  The issue here is that we have numerous points of view in these forums, not just about the general quality of the game but about what exactly needs to be done to improve it (which should be a goal regardless of how a person feels about the current state of the game).

 

Obviously you are welcome to voice your opinions however you choose, but if the goal is to rally people and see these changes put into effect, then diplomacy and persuasion are in order.  Clarity must still be a goal of course, but without an effort to make people comfortable with and sympathetic towards your position, posts like this (and not just yours mind you) wind up serving little purpose except to vent frustration.

 

This is something I have to deal with often when I talk to my brother.  He's a brilliant, accomplished man (including degrees in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering, as well as Chinese Language and East Asian studies) but he simply does not see the point in being more polite than is absolutely necessary.  Facts and technicalities are his milieu, which has slowed his career at times.  It can also make it difficult to converse with him even in a purely factual context.

 

Of course, if I've misunderstood your goal then I suppose this is all moot.  Also I really hope my brother doesn't read this.

 

Yes, that's right. I believe that we're in the same boat (even if some people don't understand this). And communication here should be switched from kissassing developer team to something above, like building suggestions. Not because I hate someone getting good remarks on the job, but because I see it pointless until the only part of the game that can be fixed - the MP - is fixed.

 

As I can't really communicate with fangirls (I know of this problem of mine) I try to make reason to the other part of the Community. And I'd really appreciate if someone could help me in saying things to the squirty part of our BSN folks. Not that diplomatic myself.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

My personal solution for this is as follows :- I do one playthrough of this game on one of my friends computer. I have some decent friends and we share games, as in I sometimes let him play the games I own on Steam and he lets me play the games he owns in Origin. I watch the rest of the minor variations on YouTube. Then, after a year or two years from the release date, when the game and all its DLC, bugfixes (either developer ones or player ones) have been dished out, I will get an actual copy of the game during a sale.

 

This way, I get the best value. I did this with Dragon Age 2. Got it for 15 bucks or so and it was really a good game for 15 bucks. On the other hand, I pre-ordered Mass Effect 3 and spent about 80 bucks or so and it was a bad game for 80 bucks.Value-per-dollar. That concept is innately known and understood by almost every other type of consumer except gamers for some reason. I mean look at how people buy a car or furniture and compare it to how people buy games. 

 

I will stick to purchasing games at full price for classical RPGs or games that I am curious about and have been certified as awesome on the PC by game reviewers with integrity like Total Biscuit. 

 

Point is, I am going to choose the path of a sensible consumer. I know that I am one of minority who wants strategy, tactics, immersion, challenge, modding and no tacked-on multiplayer. I am also a firm proponent of the free market and it just so happens that the mainstream gaming market is now in the hands of the instant gratification generation with their hyperbolic explosion, over-the-top high definition graphics, simplified gameplay, etc. 

 

I guess I may sound like an old fart for saying that but I am only 23 years old. God knows what I will actually sound like when I am properly old. LOL. 

 

I am currently in the process of making my peace and coming to terms with this reality of AAA gaming. Wish me luck.

 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Okay, I have to completely disagree with you on all points in the first paragraph, based on my own experience.

 

I'm a  'filthy-casual' I prefer to play most of my games on casual, for very good reasons. However, I love stats, using different classes, builds, and party based combat. Once upon a time, when Iw as younger I used to play RPG's on higher difficulties(even games that diidjn't have the option to save.).But then as I got older, my reflexes got worse and my eyesight is not what it used to be. It just became frustrating to play on hard difficulties, and I was no longer enjoying games. So, I had to go down to casual to enjoy games again.

 

So your assumption that 'casuals' are not interested in things like 'stats, party based builds, and ect.' Is short sighted, and frankly offensive.

 

You're too hard on yourself, friend. Really hard. Because inability to pursue the goal isn't remotely equal to inability to see the goal.

 

My health isn't perfect, too. In fact I'm still recovering from a very serious state I'd better call 'crumbling ruin'. So yes, I had to quit most of the Action-Bases gaming as a pro player. But the ones who still are playing pro teams in World of Tanks, for example, or LotRO, still use my expertise on some questions.

 

I'm still interested in all these things, and I know how these things work. And I can build suggestions based on that. Just as you are.

So please don't call you 'casual' just because you aren't in good enough state of health to play games on harder difficulty.
 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

How can you call that insulting? Some gamers are hardcore ones, some are casuals. We're two sides of the same coin.
Or you're the female person who gets offended being called a woman?

"Hardcore gamers" what makes a hardcore gamer exactly?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

My personal solution for this is as follows :- I do one playthrough of this game on one of my friends computer. I have some decent friends and we share games, as in I sometimes let him play the games I own on Steam and he lets me play the games he owns in Origin. I watch the rest of the minor variations on YouTube. Then, after a year or two years from the release date, when the game and all its DLC, bugfixes (either developer ones or player ones) have been dished out, I will get an actual copy of the game during a sale.

 

This way, I get the best value. I did this with Dragon Age 2. Got it for 15 bucks or so and it was really a good game for 15 bucks. On the other hand, I pre-ordered Mass Effect 3 and spent about 80 bucks or so and it was a bad game for 80 bucks.

 

I will stick to purchasing games at full price for classical RPGs or games that I am curious about and have been certified as awesome on the PC by game reviewers with integrity like Total Biscuit. 

 

Point is, I am going to choose the path of a sensible consumer. I know that I am one of minority who wants strategy, tactics, immersion, challenge, modding and no tacked-on multiplayer. I am also a firm proponent of the free market and it just so happens that the mainstream gaming market is now in the hands of the instant gratification generation with their hyperbolic explosion, over-the-top high definition graphics, simplified gameplay, etc. 

 

I guess I may sound like an old fart for saying that but I am only 23 years old. God knows what I will actually sound like when I am properly old. LOL. 

 

I am currently in the process of making my peace and coming to terms with this reality of AAA gaming. Wish me luck.

 

GL HF

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

"Hardcore gamers" what makes a hardcore gamer exactly?

I know that reading is evil, but sometimes it's better to try evil to be a good person. Please, continue your journey through the thread.

[ThreeF]

"Hardcore gamers" what makes a hardcore gamer exactly?

Players that understand that strength is necessary and important to warriors, apparently, casuals can not compute this.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Players that understand that strength is necessary and important to warriors, apparently, casuals can not compute this.

See, you fail to grasp it.
Because the correct use of your example would be like this:

 

Players that understand that strength is necessary and important to all classes, but should be working differently for those classes. Casuals can not compute this.

[Dubya75]

"Hardcore gamers" what makes a hardcore gamer exactly?

 

Oooh, I know! Being on the verge of cardiac arrest due to obesity or lack of physical activity, and a prime candidate for type 2 diabetes. Only taking a shower when the neighbours start to complain, and of course,  living in your mother's basement. Unemployed.

[TBJack]

Fair enough.  I've been slowly gathering my own to-do list, though it's rather disheartening when I look at the length.  Even though I enjoy the game a great deal as-is, there's no denying it has a lot of room for improvement.  Especially the MP.

 

Also, I have to ask- you've mentioned fangirls a couple of times now, and I see there's even something in your sig about them.  What exactly is that about?  I feel like I've missed a joke somewhere

[papercut_ninja]

Good, sensible plan. I'm gonna take a leaf out of your book.

I did the "fangirl" thing (sorry, Tevos  ) and bought the game on release date, straight after I finished work for the day... I had pre-ordered from a store, and the only other experience on the matter was a review on IGN. (Yes, shoot me.)

 

I gave it plenty of chances, playthroughs just to see if I missed something and what not... and now, to this day, even though I vowed to give it one more shot, I probably won't.

 

So lesson here is: when ME4 comes out, I'm going to be patient. I'll read and take into considering what others are saying, try to relate it to the things that I like in a game to determine whether it is worth playing or not. If not, I'll move along.

 

"I am never buying another BW game ever/on release/before [insert favourite reviewer] has reviewed it, again..."

 

*drinks*

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Oooh, I know! Being on the verge of cardiac arrest due to obesity or lack of physical activity, and a prime candidate for type 2 diabetes. Only taking a shower when the neighbours start to complain, and of course,  living in your mother's basement. Unemployed.

You forgot the biggest apparent requirement: have to be a male "cos chicks ain't hardcore"

[Dubya75]

Does it count if your mother is a rotting corpse yet you still think she's alive?

 

No.

 

That will put you in the Elite Top Gun class. You know....amongst those who know absolutely EVERYTHING!

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Fair enough.  I've been slowly gathering my own to-do list, though it's rather disheartening when I look at the length.  Even though I enjoy the game a great deal as-is, there's no denying it has a lot of room for improvement.  Especially the MP.

 

Also, I have to ask- you've mentioned fangirls a couple of times now, and I see there's even something in your sig about them.  What exactly is that about?  I feel like I've missed a joke somewhere

Oh there was one, but I can't just put it in. Every time I try some fangirl sees Putin in it. Figuratively speaking.

I guess I'll work it around in the Saga project, too.

 

Just need some time and inspiration to go on with it.

[Dubya75]

You forgot the biggest apparent requirement: have to be a male "cos chicks ain't hardcore"

 

Bah! I knew there was something I missed!

[Kroepoek]

Does it count if your mother is a rotting corpse yet you still think she's alive?

 

Funny. I just had a bounty in Diablo 3, a farm besieged, where this scenario plays out. How convienent.

[Dubya75]

I knew I was THAT good.

 

Consider yourself BRANDED.