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[Linuviel]

What does everyone make of that monkey-like statue with the extra arms at the end of the Knight's Tomb? It's the exact same statue that is behind the altar of Dumat in Legacy and it's face is all over the entry portion of Din'an Hanin as well.

Has anyone seen this statue anywhere else?

[ctd757]

I was wondering about it too. An old elven God?

[flabbadence]

It also shows up in the Western Approach, in one of the caves there

[Caddius]

It's also in the Pride Demon's Cave on Sundermount in DA2.

There's been speculation, from Madrar in particular that it represents a link between Dumat (Since the statue is at his Altar) and one of the elven gods, possibly Mythal or Elgar'nan or Ghilan'nain.

Mythal, because of the Andraste=Old God Baby with Dumat's Soul theories. As well as the constellation connection seen in the Astrariums.

Elgar'nan: For the Seven Old Gods=Seven Creators minus Fen'harel (who put them there) and Mythal (who is a wisp by that point), he matches up as the head god.

Ghilan'nain: She's the mad geneticist, and many of the painting creatures that look like something she would create have four arms. The halla creatures in the Temple of Mythal, for instance.

[Linuviel]

It's also in the Pride Demon's Cave on Sundermount in DA2.
There's been speculation, from Madrar in particular that it represents a link between Dumat (Since the statue is at his Altar) and one of the elven gods, possibly Mythal or Elgar'nan or Ghilan'nain.
Mythal, because of the Andraste=Old God Baby with Dumat's Soul theories. As well as the constellation connection seen in the Astrariums.
Elgar'nan: For the Seven Old Gods=Seven Creators minus Fen'harel (who put them there) and Mythal (who is a wisp by that point), he matches up as the head god.
Ghilan'nain: She's the mad geneticist, and many of the painting creatures that look like something she would create have four arms. The halla creatures in the Temple of Mythal, for instance.

Hmm interesting. What about Falon'din considering the statue is associated with graves typically > Sundermount, Din'an Hanin etc...?

Also thinking about this codex entry:

"The People swore their lives to Falon’Din
Who mastered the dark that lies.
Whose shadows hunger
Whose faithful sing
Whose wings of death surround him
Thick as night."

And the fact the he started wars to attract more followers which in the context of Barindur makes sense.

And finally Dumat had a celebration called Funalis honouring the dead.

[catabuca]

My current working theory is that the old gods are the dragon aspect part of the elven gods' souls that were separated out by Solas and imprisoned separately (because the dragon aspect part was tainted - which is why they were warring). If this statue is some sort of elven representation then that falls in line with my theory. 

[fhs33721]

I personally think all the "elven gods=old gods" theories are a dead end since Solas himself says in skyhold: "As far as I know there has never been a connection between my people and the Dragon gods of tevinter."

[Linuviel]

My current working theory is that the old gods are the dragon aspect part of the elven gods' souls that were separated out by Solas and imprisoned separately (because the dragon aspect part was tainted - which is why they were warring). If this statue is some sort of elven representation then that falls in line with my theory. 

 

Yes, I'm with you on that. Interesting theory that they were blighted before being imprisoned. I think that the dwarves were party to the imprisonment of the old gods/elven gods. If you get the Ancient Warden Logbook where the Wardens find an Old God it mentions that it was in what looked like a Dwarven thaig. Considering that it takes a long time for the Darkspawn to dig out and make an Archdemon, they can't be in any of the more recent thaigs. So, "looks like a Dwarven thaig" and deeper than recent thaigs points me towards the primeval thaig being perhaps a prison for an old god that was found by Darkspawn already. Perhaps Urthemiel as we know the primeval thaig connects to Southern Ferelden via Valammar, it's not inconceivable... 

 

The red lyrium could be a byproduct of the cage, since in the ancient warden log book it mentions "pillars of lyrium" near the Old God thaig. If they were corrupted before being imprisoned then it could follow that over the ages the lyrium in their "cages" becomes corrupted. Also, since the Old God is gone from the thaig now, it would makes sense that the Darkspawn would have nothing to do there anymore.

 

As for Solas' line about connection between the Elven gods and the Old Gods... Well he's been known to obscure the truth before, and connecting the blights to the elves wouldn't do them any good.  

[fhs33721]

As for Solas' line about connection between the Elven gods and the Old Gods... Well he's been known to obscure the truth before, and connecting the blights to the elves wouldn't do them any good.  

Could be of course, that's why I said it was what I personally think. I don't think he ever outright lied though. Withheld certain information? Hell yes. Lied to your face? Can't remember any instace on the top of my mind.

[Linuviel]

Yeah I was just thinking that too. I can't think of an instance when he outright lied. His MO is usually to be super vague.

[MisterJB]

It's a placeholder.

[TEWR]

It's Demonic Buddha.

[Caddius]

Could be of course, that's why I said it was what I personally think. I don't think he ever outright lied though. Withheld certain information? Hell yes. Lied to your face? Can't remember any instace on the top of my mind.

SOLAS: "There is nothing in any lore that suggests a connection between the gods of my people and the Old Gods."

Except, y'know, there is stuff in the lore that connects them. The constellations, some of the gods matching up quite well, (Falon'din, Dirthamen, and Sylvaise in particular.)*

 

*Falon'din: Luscan. Falon'din is associated with 'wings of night' in his Song, along with death, the Fade, and so on. Luscan is the Dragon of Night, and is one of two remaining Archdemons, the other being...

Razikale, or Dirthamen. Being the 'twin soul' of Falon'din, it'd make sense that they'd Archdemon it up together, or right after one another. Dirthamen is associated with Secrets, Razikale with Mystery.

Sylvaise is associated with the hearth, and is a pleasant figure. Except in her Song, it shows her to be a very arrogant goddess, comparing herself in power and grandeur to her fellows. It also mentions fire, focusing on the destructive power of it rather than the nurturing hearth. Toth was the Dragon of Fire.

*shrug*

I'm not sold on the Old Gods=Creators theories, but I think that's how it would go if it were true.

And I definitely don't put it past Solas to fudge the truth just enough like that. He's not saying they're not connected, he's saying that modern lore doesn't support the connection. And Tevinter did a very good job of obliterating Arlathan culture.

[Patchwork]

In the beginning a lot of the former slaves would have worshipped the Old Gods just like City Elves now worship the Maker. There would be a time between the Dales being settled and them re-discovering and dedicating themselves to the old elven religion but during that time they'd still have to build stuff, especially during that time as there was very little in the Dales before they got there.

 

The Knight's Tomb could be one of those early builds so it has influences of both.