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[agonis]

citation needed

 

You are a bit indiscreet, dear.

[Guitar-Hero]

citation needed

What do you want, pictures or?

[SnakeCode]

I would say that fixed protagonist completely contradicts this. No one does custom protagonist games like Bioware.

 

"You liked Dragon Age? Try Legend of Zelda - it's just like DA, only you're forced to play as Link."

 

Except in the case of The Witcher, the protagonist we're stuck with is supremely trite and unappealing.

Yes because having to play as a set character clearly renders all of the many, many similarities between the two obsolete .

 

Meh, if Geralt was a character written by Bioware everyone one these forums would be gushing over him. He hates racism and bigotry of all kinds, he defends the poor and powerless, and helps those without privilege. He despises political scheming and is known for having a quick wit and a dry sense of humour. All of these qualities are regularly championed on the BSN, yet many of the same people also say they can't stand Geralt. Funny that.

[Realmzmaster]

Yes because having to play as a set character clearly renders all of the many, many similarities between the two obsolete .

 

Meh, if Geralt was a character written by Bioware everyone one these forums would be gushing over him. He hates racism and bigotry of all kinds, he defends the poor and powerless, and helps those without privilege. He despises political scheming and is known for having a quick wit and a dry sense of humour. All of these qualities are regularly championed on the BSN, yet many of the same people also say they can't stand Geralt. Funny that.

 

For the same reason that some gamers did not like Hawke. Geralt is not customizable. CD ProjectK took away that possibility when they used a character based on the books. In fact Geralt is even less customizable than Hawke. Some gamers on this forum like to play with a protagonist they can craft in both appearance and personality. That is not possible with Geralt. The character is always white and male. The gamer can tweak the personality somewhat but that is about it.

[SnakeCode]

For the same reason that some gamers did not like Hawke. Geralt is not customizable. CD ProjectK took away that possibility when they used a character based on the books. In fact Geralt is even less customizable than Hawke. Some gamers on this forum like to play with a protagonist they can craft in both appearance and personality. That is not possible with Geralt. The character is always white and male. The gamer can tweak the personality somewhat but that is about it.

I was talking about those that don't like him because of his personality, or say that he isn't likable or appealing. If peoples bigotry prevents them liking him because he's a straight, white guy then that's on them. It isn't what I was talking about however. Same with people that don't want to play as him because of the lack of customisation, that's valid. I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to those that claim they actively dislike the character.

[FKA_Servo]

I was talking about those that don't like him because of his personality, or say that he isn't likable or appealing. If peoples bigotry prevents them liking him because he's a straight, white guy then that's on them. It isn't what I was talking about however. Same with people that don't want to play as him because of the lack of customisation, that's valid. I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to those that claim they actively dislike the character.

 

Heh.

 

He's just boring, and boring looking. From what I played, his personality is as malleable as it is present, which is to say barely. And of course, no party. Having companions is pretty important to a lot of people.

[SnakeCode]

What's funny about the sentence you bolded?

[Bob Walker]

Heh.

 

He's just boring, and boring looking. From what I played, his personality is as malleable as it is present, which is to say barely. And of course, no party. Having companions is pretty important to a lot of people.

 

I count myself as one of the players that aren't even remotely interested in playing like Geralt. My loss, I guess, because The Witcher series seem to be very well done. That's the reason why I am interested in Cyberpunk 2077.

[SnakeCode]

I think the fact that everyone jumped down my throat at the mere mention of TW more than proves my point that it's clearly already direct competition for DA. It's a large reason people get so defensive and confrontational whenever someone mentions the game(s) in a positive light on these boards.

[Raoni Luna]

No. Get lucky is way better!

 

[SnakeCode]

I honestly want TW3 and such to be successful.

Why must success be mutually exclusive? :/

It doesn't have to be, you can be a fan of both and want both to succeed. Which is why I don't understand the confrontational, passive aggressive nature of posters whenever TW3 is mentioned. I don't see why some people want it to fail so badly, and fall way short of the fans hopes and expectations, I just don't get that mindset. I want to play good games in general, If they're somewhat similar to Bioware titles then even better. Even if it's a game I have no interest in, I wouldn't want it to be a bad game because there are fans that will want to enjoy it, to hope they won't is beyond spiteful.

 

Surely Bioware having competition is a good thing? Hopefully encouraging them to improve their own games in the future. The gamers are the winners in that scenario.

[Naphtali]

ME trilogy put ME 2 in the Smithsonian, thats better than any mere GOTY award

[Nohvarr]

I think the fact that everyone jumped down my throat at the mere mention of TW more than proves my point that it's clearly already direct competition for DA. It's a large reason people get so defensive and confrontational whenever someone mentions the game(s) in a positive light on these boards.

Or people are just so sick of TW fans bringing it up over and over again on these forums in an attempt to prove something that the sought to squash a retread of a familiar argument before it got off the ground.

 

If peoples bigotry prevents them liking him because he's a straight, white guy then that's on them.

 

So you think people dislike him because he's straight and white male....So it hasn't occured to you that his personality might just not be appealing to other people. Could not Geralt's voice actor's inability to bring across the nuance of the book character make the performance a chore to sit through? I mean I've played video games with Straight white male protagonist before so I really don't see that as a barrier.

 

Meh, if Geralt was a character written by Bioware everyone one these forums would be gushing over him.

 

 

You must be new to the forums! Welcome and enjoy your stay!!

 

He hates racism and bigotry of all kinds, he defends the poor and powerless, and helps those without privilege.

That alone doesn't make him likable. I can respect someone's goals and good works without ever wanting to spend 40 hours in their presence.

[SnakeCode]

Wow, you didn't refute a single point I made. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Nohvarr]

Wow, you didn't refute a single point I made. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

So you're just going to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore what I said? Noted.

[SnakeCode]

So you're just going to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore what I said? Noted.

Well, I would have posted a gif of someone laughing at you, but i'm classier than that.

[Nohvarr]

Well, I would have posted a gif of someone laughing at you, but i'm classier than that.

Considering you implied that people didn't like Geralt because he was a straight white male...you're really not.

[SnakeCode]

Considering you implied that people didn't like Geralt because he was a straight white male...you're really not.

 

What the hell is up with the reading comprehension in this thread. I implied nothing. I said If that is the reason why...     If.     If.    If!

[FKA_Servo]

Speaking for myself, I just think it's stupid. I think Geralt is boring, and if there's a good story somewhere in the first game, it's buried under relentlessly ugly visuals and probably the most awful gameplay ever. I can't comment on the second game, because I haven't played it yet.

It is interesting to note that my suspicion that Witcher fans are the worst possible advocates that CDprojekt could possibly have is confirmed pretty much every day. To be fair, I feel that way about Bioware fans most of the time, too.

[SnakeCode]

Considering you get attacked for merely mentioning TW games on these boards. I whole heartedly agree about (some) Bioware fans.

 

I'm a huge fan of both games though, so I win. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

For the same reason that some gamers did not like Hawke. Geralt is not customizable. CD ProjectK took away that possibility when they used a character based on the books. In fact Geralt is even less customizable than Hawke. Some gamers on this forum like to play with a protagonist they can craft in both appearance and personality. That is not possible with Geralt. The character is always white and male. The gamer can tweak the personality somewhat but that is about it.

 

 

Hawke was disliked for 3 reasons:

1) Every choice he makes screws up in his/her face. People don't like playing as a loser.

2) He/she was in DA2 which is considered by many (not all) to be Biowares worst RPG.

3) He/she has to compete with the Warden who is a template for the player/audience and this makes him/her less loved.

 

Also not playing a game because it has a set protagonist is just.......... wow. There must be a lot of great games some people on this forum are missing out on. Also I'm asian (the brown kind) and there is literally no mainstream video game where I'm represented and that's still never stopped me from playing a game just because the PC is white/black/a woman.

[FKA_Servo]

Considering you get attacked for merely mentioning TW games on these boards. I whole heartedly agree about (some) Bioware fans.

I'm a huge fan of both games though, so I win.

Well, most Witcher fans around here are pretty obnoxious. I don't know what sort of response they think repeatedly badmouthing Bioware games on the Bioware forum is going to elicit, particularly when their pet game has so many flaws.

I hope TW3 is good. I'm sure it will be, and I'll probably get it at some point, when I summon up the fortitude to battle my way through the first one. I'm somewhat excited to play the second one, which looks better and I'm told plays better. Either way, I'm very interested in what CDprojekt comes up with next.

I think that adding a female VO and giving you a custom character would have improved the games a hundredfold. Saints Row proves pretty handily that this can shine even in a fixed protagonist game, and being able to choose the way your hero counts for a whole friggin lot.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm personally of the humble opinion that the selection of games last year, combined with the near-complete lack of AAA RPG's, has more to do with DA:I winning all those GOTY awards than the actual game itself.
 
So to answer your question, I would say yes, it was at least partially a matter of luck. Had The Witcher 3, for instance, been released last fall as was originally intended, things wouldn't have played out the same way.

For the Witcher, no. There's a reason it needed 9 more months of work. It would have been a broken mess if released in 2014. Like, way worse than Dragon Age Inquisition. It was the right choice for multiple reasons.

 

Well, most Witcher fans around here are pretty obnoxious. 

 

Probably more that the obnoxious ones are far more likely to make it known. I love me some Witcher but I don't really bring it up unless there's an interesting comparison I want to make devoid of talk about which is better.

[Realmzmaster]

Hawke was disliked for 3 reasons:

1) Every choice he makes screws up in his/her face. People don't like playing as a loser.

2) He/she was in DA2 which is considered by many (not all) to be Biowares worst RPG.

3) He/she has to compete with the Warden who is a template for the player/audience and this makes him/her less loved.

 

Also not playing a game because it has a set protagonist is just.......... wow. There must be a lot of great games some people on this forum are missing out on. Also I'm asian (the brown kind) and there is literally no mainstream video game where I'm represented and that's still never stopped me from playing a game just because the PC is white/black/a woman.

 

I am repeating some of the reasons that have appeared on the forum. There are several posters who are female that do not play male protagonists or play them second. The Witcher series does not give them that opportunity. Some disapprove of the whole premise of the Witcher series (rightly or wrongly) Many posters want to customize a character that looks like them, because they wish to roleplay themselves in the game.

 

Games that I have played like Alpha Protocol and Deus EX:Human Revolution do not allow the changing of the protagonist's appearance. That alone becomes a negative for some people. Some posters find that a CC in the game is very important to them. It is a way of further making the character their own. So a game that does not have a CC becomes a deal breaker for them.

 

The fact that Hawke could only be played as a human disappointed some posters who like playing other races first. Some posters did not purchase DA2 for that reason. So those other points you mention were not a consideration because they did not buy the game.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Also not playing a game because it has a set protagonist is just.......... wow. There must be a lot of great games some people on this forum are missing out on. Also I'm asian (the brown kind) and there is literally no mainstream video game where I'm represented and that's still never stopped me from playing a game just because the PC is white/black/a woman.

 

I specifically avoid CRPGS with fixed protagonists - it's one of the best features of the genre, as far as I'm concerned. If you can't be bothered letting me play as a woman (and for some mysterious reason fixed CRPG protagonists are ALWAYS dudes) then I can't be bothered with your game, sorry. So no Alpha Protocol or Gothic for me. I actually tried The Witcher for a whole hour, but by the end of it I was thinking 'I have to play as this boring, ugly douche for two whole games?!' and I uninstalled it.

 

I'm fine with set protagonists in other genres, although I wish that more of those set protagonists were women. (I'm not buying any more Assassin's Creed games unless they get a clue and make a female character the protagonists of a main series game, though. The 'women are too hard to animate!' thing was just too stupid.)