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[Lebanese Dude]

Disagree on almost all fronts, but as you said that's okay

 

The only thing I'd like to comment on, is that which clashes against my own....well, I don't like the term idealism, I'll just use "tastes". I am not a fan of self-enforced emotions. If I don't spontaneously feel respect, then I don't see a point in suppressing my psyche. I prefer vitriolic honesty to pleasant dishonesty. At least, as long as it's expressed with words and not something else.

 

You're conflating respect with faked politeness.

 

You can use (funny) snark, (on point shady) cynicism, and (justified) anger or whatever when you communicate as long as you actually know what you're talking about.

 

If I saw you talking illogically or citing homophobic **** I'm gonna call you out, with a degree of snarky shade if I feel like it. 

I expect others to do the same to me.

 

I just don't go about insulting your intelligence and character while throwing death threats.

 

Well..sometimes I do the former, but only when they really deserve it

[TevinterSupremacist]

You can use (funny) snark, (well-made shady) cynicism, and (justified) anger to whatever when you communicate as long as you actually know what you're talking about.

 

So to use your example. If I saw you wearing a hideous outfit or citing homophobic **** I'm gonna call you out, with a degree of snarky shade if I feel like it.

 

I just don't go about insulting your intelligence and character while throwing death threats.

Your post only makes sense if what is "funny" , "well-made shady" or "justified" is objectively provable and shared by all. (Un)Fortunately there is no objective codex of accepted speech patterns.

[Lebanese Dude]

Your post only makes sense if what is "funny" , "well-made shady" or "justified" is objectively provable and shared by all. (Un)Fortunately there is no objective codex of accepted speech patterns.

 

That's where the Internet fails

 

In any case, I always apologize if I offended anyone unintentionally so there's that. Ya know...respect.

 

Many (if not most) people I've interacted with online keep thrashing in their own vitriol rather than admit their mistakes. 

 

It's all good. YMMV.

Modifié par Lebanese Dude, 14 février 2015 - 05:29 .

[Giubba]

I'm not sure why all the vitriol, Giubba. I hesitated about responding because I'm not sure how much of a reasonable discussion can be had with someone who hopes a company goes bankrupt and a few hundred people lose their job over... what, exactly? Fanboys? Or uses hyperbole such as "pathetic", "horrible map design", and so on. I won't argue whether the games are good or not, because it's a hopeless debate (personally, I really like the gameplay, even with all its flaws - and it certainly has them).

Ok i can accept this
 

Fanboys will be everywhere. Recently I watched all the MGS game\movies to prepare for the fifth, and when I engaged in a very calm and reasonable discussion about whether or not the writing is bad, someone jumped down my throat and told me to go suck something because I can't appreciate its genius. I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that TW's fanbase considers TW2 a perfect game. YouTube comment sections? Because as someone who frequents the main boards, I promise you that the core community is far from being this blind, rabid zealot you're describing. If anything, it's highly critical. Do people there love the games? Well, obviously. Why else spend time there?
 
Going by the hostility in these two posts of yours towards TW and CDPR, I think you emotions might be blurring the real picture. Outside comment sections in YouTube (which are bad, no matter the topic), I'm not seeing this brain-washed support and praise. Sorry for derailing the thread even more, but it caught my eye and it bothered me.

Comes from spending basicaly an entire year during DA2 post relase enduring the insufferable,incessant bitching of tw2 fanboys that swarmed this place.

[Mathias]

The whole premise of this thread is ridiculous because the OP makes the assumption that the games in 2015 will be better than DA:I, even though the reason he says DA:I won GOTY was because the other big name releases last year fell short of expectations.  

 

It also assumes that all the fans who voted it GOTY will like a game in 2015 more than that liked DA:I, which may not be the case.

 

You would need to wait until the games in 2015 are released and then make an argument for a game(s) that is actually better before you say this.

 

Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, and MGS5 Phantom Pain all have an extremely high shot of being better than DA:I. I enjoy DA:I a lot, but it's a buggy, unfocused game that had high ambitions and failed to meet them.

 

DA:I is the game where we the players have had the most power in any Bioware game. We're basically a King. Yet we spend 90% of our time as King, running around doing smallfry quests and collecting stuff, when Bioware should devoted more of their time and resources into creating a more tighter focused story, and giving us my story missions than we had.

[Nohvarr]

Witcher 3, Batman: Arkham Knight, and MGS5 Phantom Pain all have an extremely high shot of being better than DA:I.

This time last year, people were likely saying the same thing about Assassins Creed: Unity, and Destiny.

[Giantdeathrobot]

BW and CDPR are both smart enough to realize what a subset of each fanbase can't: success for one helps the other.

 

Seriously. The two seems to have a certain respect for each other, and both franchises are much more similar than their respective hardcore fanbase wants to admit.

 

As for the OP, that seems like an excuse to me. Everything is a product of its time. Would Skyrim have won so many GOTY awards or sold so much to the non-RPG playing public if it was released in a year with, say, a GTA game? Would TW2 have met so much critical and financial success if it wasn't for the disappointment of DA2? Would Portal 2 have been so popular if it wasn't a sequel to Portal? Would so many have praised The Last of Us's story so much if it came out the same year as the first Bioshock? No game is released in a vacuum.

 

It's highly likely that the fairly disappointing string of AAA titles in 2014 helped Inquisition get such a big critical reception. That doesn't mean its success comes out of thin air. 2014 was a very good year for games, it just wasn't for overhyped, high-profile titles and Ubisoft games (which are overhyped too). 

[Mathias]

Bioware didn't get lucky. One reason Bioware games still sell well is because when it comes to this particular style of Rpgs, they have ZERO competition.

 

Think about it. ToR, DA2, and ME3 pissed off a lot of people. Sure some go over it, but even those that did still walked away disappointed. So after three strikes in a row, how in god's green earth did DA:I manage to be Bioware's best selling game? If that's even true.

 

The answer to me is simple. It's because they're the only ones who make these type of games. And these type of games happen to be a very unique and amazing style of a RPG, that has huge interest from many of the gaming community.

 

If another company started making Bioware style games, but absolutely blew Bioware out of the water in terms of both gameplay and story, there'd probably be a notable migration of the fanbase. Sure some may just buy from both companies, but others who have had it with Bioware, or simply don't have the luxury of affording both at the time of their launch, will probably cross over to the other side.

 

In that regard keep an eye out on CDprojektRed once Witcher 3 is done and they start concentrating on Cyberpunk 2077 and other projects.

[Vegeta 77]

Yes they got lucky 2014 was a crap year for games if witcher 3 or Arkham knight or the division came out last year they would win goty.

[dsl08002]

No i think that bioware simply played safe with DAI

[agonis]

Discussions on the BSN are like an Italian family dinner.

At first everyone is civil, then food gets thrown around...

 

But it´s still mashed potatoes and no forks, which is rather surprising.

[Scofield]

2014 taught me a harsh lesson

 

All AAA companies believe there fan base are morons

[agonis]

2014 taught me a harsh lesson

 

All AAA companies believe there fan base are morons

 

"Their".

 

Arhhh excuse me, I just couldn´t...

[SnakeCode]

Bioware didn't get lucky. One reason Bioware games still sell well is because when it comes to this particular style of Rpgs, they have ZERO competition.

 

Think about it. ToR, DA2, and ME3 pissed off a lot of people. Sure some go over it, but even those that did still walked away disappointed. So after three strikes in a row, how in god's green earth did DA:I manage to be Bioware's best selling game? If that's even true.

 

The answer to me is simple. It's because they're the only ones who make these type of games. And these type of games happen to be a very unique and amazing style of a RPG, that has huge interest from many of the gaming community.

 

If another company started making Bioware style games, but absolutely blew Bioware out of the water in terms of both gameplay and story, there'd probably be a notable migration of the fanbase. Sure some may just buy from both companies, but others who have had it with Bioware, or simply don't have the luxury of affording both at the time of their launch, will probably cross over to the other side.

 

In that regard keep an eye out on CDprojektRed once Witcher 3 is done and they start concentrating on Cyberpunk 2077 and other projects.

After Witcher 3 is over and done with? The Witcher 3 looks like it's going to blow DA:I out of the water in almost every way imaginable in it's own right. CD Projekt RED are direct competition already.

[wolfhowwl]

Bioware didn't get lucky. One reason Bioware games still sell well is because when it comes to this particular style of Rpgs, they have ZERO competition.

 

Think about it. ToR, DA2, and ME3 pissed off a lot of people. Sure some go over it, but even those that did still walked away disappointed. So after three strikes in a row, how in god's green earth did DA:I manage to be Bioware's best selling game? If that's even true.

 

Or angry nerds on the Internet aren't as relevant as they like to think they are.

[Realmzmaster]

How can a game that has not been released and will not be released until May 19, 2015 blow anything out of the water? It would be direct competition if they were released at the same time or close to it. The Witcher 3 may or may not blow the competition for GOTY 2015 out of the water, but for 2014 it is DAI FTW..

[pawswithclaws]

I don't know about Bioware, but I sure got lucky with DAI. If you know what I mean.   

[FKA_Servo]

After Witcher 3 is over and done with? The Witcher 3 looks like it's going to blow DA:I out of the water in almost every way imaginable in it's own right. CD Projekt RED are direct competition already.

 

I'm particularly excited for it's innovative quest design. Especially looking forward to heretofore unimaginable scenarios, such as delving into a dungeon, possibly to fetch something at the behest of someone else, for a reward.

 

The Witcher is a new paradigm in roleplaying, right? There's no chance that it will end up being more or less like DA, Skyrim, and (name every other RPG), right?

[SnakeCode]

How can a game that has not been released and will not be released until May 19, 2015 blow anything out of the water? It would be direct competition if they were released at the same time or close to it. The Witcher 3 may or may not blow the competition for GOTY 2015 out of the water, but for 2014 it is DAI FTW..

I said "looks like it's going to." Something doesn't have to be released around the same time to be compared. For example, DA: Origins blows DA2 out of the water (and yes I know it's just my opinion thank you very much.) I also never said TW3is direct competition for DA:I, I said CDPR are already direct competition for Bioware, and have been for a while now.

[SnakeCode]

I'm particularly excited for it's innovative quest design. Especially looking forward to heretofore unimaginable scenarios, such as delving into a dungeon, possibly to fetch something at the behest of someone else, for a reward.

 

The Witcher is a new paradigm in roleplaying, right? There's no chance that it will end up being more or less like DA, Skyrim, and (name every other RPG), right?

Wow this is a huge leap from what I actually posted. I said it looks like it's going to be a better game than Inquisition, nothing about it being "a new paradigm in roleplaying." That's quite an imagination you have.

[FKA_Servo]

Wow this is a huge leap from what I actually posted. I said it looks like it's going to be a better game than Inquisition, nothing about it being "a new paradigm in roleplaying." That's quite an imagination you have.

 

It's not you so much as everyone who thinks it's the damn be-all-end-all of grimdark fantasy RPGs. Your post was just the scapegoat.

 

I think that CDprojekt is talking their game up just as much as Bioware talks up their games, and if the end result is less than what people are hoping, I will not be at all surprised. Nor will I be surprised at the amount of "fetch quests" that inevitably make their way in, or when their open world falls prey to the precisely the same issues that people excoriate other games for.

[CorniliuS]

It simple, this game made by gay people for gay people, who like to play with controller. DAI has its moments but in general falls flat. Game of the year? sure, crappy 2014 year, one shall add.

[SnakeCode]

It's not you so much as everyone who thinks it's the damn be-all-end-all of grimdark fantasy RPGs. Your post was just the scapegoat.

 

I think that CDprojekt is talking their game up just as much as Bioware talks up their games, and if the end result is less than what people are hoping, I will not be at all surprised. Nor will I be surprised at the amount of "fetch quests" that inevitably make their way in, or when their open world falls prey to the precisely the same issues that people excoriate other games for.

Oh it will definitely have fetch quests, it's a staple of RPGs. I'll be happy if they were done like they were in TW2 though. It's never just -Go there - pick up item - give to owner- like the last few Bioware titles. They usually have something interesting to do along the way. Maybe the item has been stolen by brigands, maybe a monster took it back to it's lair. There's also usually  a reason given as to why the item is important to the quest giver. Then there's the trade off that sometimes ties them to the main story some way. Instead of gaining +30 power, you are given something useful like information on a character you're looking for, or info on how to kill a monster you're hunting, that kind of thing.

 

CDPR definitely are talking the game up, but they've yet to lie or fail to deliver on their promises in the past. As of now, there's no reason not to trust what they say in the marketing. Can't say the same of Bioware unfortunately. They've been by far the most fan friendly devs out there

[Cyonan]

CDPR definitely are talking the game up, but they've yet to lie or fail to deliver on their promises in the past. As of now, there's no reason not to trust what they say in the marketing. Can't say the same of Bioware unfortunately. They've been by far the most fan friendly devs out there

 

I like the Witcher games, and definitely hope that the third will be a great and successful game.

 

but the fact that it's marketing already means you shouldn't completely trust it =P

[turuzzusapatuttu]

You saying shitty games equal me hearing talk about games that are not your taste.

 

In fact it was my own opinion. I've never said someone else had to agree with me, have I?

Though I must admit I didn't mention some good games I've played throughout the year: Alien Isolation, The Walking Dead, Dark Souls II.