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[thesuperdarkone2]

Think about it. With the whole "change the world" thing Inquisition seems to have going for it, what if eventually all choices regarding Divine result in the abolition of the Circle system? Leliana dissolves it anyway while Vivienne and Cass could wind up causing another mage rebellion that winds up dissolving the circles? Cass' mage endings both imply conflict with the mages is inevitable and Vivienne's putting down the College could cause resentment. How would you react if the Circle's wound up dissolved anyway?

[BloodyTalon]

No matter what ending you get, its clear even when ViV is divine it has changed after its refounded...so no matter what bioware canon will be the days of the old circles are done and over with.

[thesuperdarkone2]

No matter what ending you get, its clear even when ViV is divine it has changed after its refounded...so no matter what bioware canon will be the days of the old circles are done and over with.

It should also be telling that mages always get more freedom and the templars are weakened regardless of whichever ending you get.

[Steelcan]

what if it turns out that all the freed mages are slaughtered in 30 years?

 

what if it turns out that the hard liners launch a rebellion in half a century and successfully reinstate the Circle\

 

what if it turns out God is a giant chicken?  WHAT THEN!?

[AresKeith]

what if it turns out that all the freed mages are slaughtered in 30 years?

 

what if it turns out that the hard liners launch a rebellion in half a century and successfully reinstate the Circle\

 

what if it turns out God is a giant chicken?  WHAT THEN!?

 

what if it turns out all the mages turn evil?

 

So many what if's 

[KaiserShep]

what if it turns out God is a giant chicken?  WHAT THEN!?

 

What if god is a giant planet-eating bunny rabbit??

 

[ThreeF]

What if god is a giant planet-eating bunny rabbit nug??

more likely.

[KaiserShep]

They're pretty much interchangeable anyhow.

[Big I]

How would you react if the Circle's wound up dissolved anyway?

 

I'd be pretty happy, since I made sure to get the Leliana is Divine, independent College of Enchanters ending.

[Ashagar]

And what if the College of Enchanters tries to turn the south into Tevinter mark two but ending up with the south in a endless sea of chaos with abominations running amok causing the Qunari to invade the south causing Tevinter to save the world and restoring it old domination of the south. We could do a ton of what ifs until the maker returns to light their fires.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

On one hand while freedom would be nice, we have to remember that in the context of the game world, magic is a devastating force almost akin to walking around with a nuke strapped to your back. While some will have the discipline to control their powers, it only take 1 or 2 to really do some massive damage, the same amount of damage it will probably take several dozen regular people to do, or at least, a few regular people with siege weaponry (ex, a handful of mages destroying a qunari dreadnaught)  If the circles are abolished then there should at least be some sort of safety measure in place to minimize damage from the eventual crapstorm that will come up. There will always be those few mages who think they deserve just a little bit more, I don't see Thedas making much progress on the issue.

[thesuperdarkone2]

On one hand while freedom would be nice, we have to remember that in the context of the game world, magic is a devastating force almost akin to walking around with a nuke strapped to your back. While some will have the discipline to control their powers, it only take 1 or 2 to really do some massive damage, the same amount of damage it will probably take several dozen regular people to do, or at least, a few regular people with siege weaponry (ex, a handful of mages destroying a qunari dreadnaught)  If the circles are abolished then there should at least be some sort of safety measure in place to minimize damage from the eventual crapstorm that will come up. There will always be those few mages who think they deserve just a little bit more, I don't see Thedas making much progress on the issue.

Well Cass remaking the Seekers would help fight abominations and rogue mages.

[Raiil]

On one hand while freedom would be nice, we have to remember that in the context of the game world, magic is a devastating force almost akin to walking around with a nuke strapped to your back. While some will have the discipline to control their powers, it only take 1 or 2 to really do some massive damage, the same amount of damage it will probably take several dozen regular people to do, or at least, a few regular people with siege weaponry (ex, a handful of mages destroying a qunari dreadnaught)  If the circles are abolished then there should at least be some sort of safety measure in place to minimize damage from the eventual crapstorm that will come up. There will always be those few mages who think they deserve just a little bit more, I don't see Thedas making much progress on the issue.

There will be nobles who feel that they're entitled to crap on the masses, but they can be countered too.

 

'Could be guilty' is not 'they will be guilty'. That's as silly as presuming that all templars are idiot rapists. Sure, some are, but that's not grounds to abolish them and lock them up.

[Gervaise]

Actually the outcome can be very different.    First run I freed the mages and so we ended up with a Circle and a College of Enchanters at each other's throats with Divine Cassandra doing her best to keep the lid on things.    It seemed obvious that we were headed for another showdown eventually.

 

Second run I conscripted the Templars.    Divine Cassandra reformed the Circles and the Templar order and rededicated the Seekers and some people thought her reforms went too far but that was about it.    Those Templars I conscripted followed Cullen in getting off the lyrium and then elected to stay with the Inquisition under his leadership.  It was a much less confrontational and hopeful sort of ending.   It actually was in keeping with what Cassandra said she would do and what I had always advocated, that is retaining the Circles but making them more open and certainly less like prisons.

 

Planning on a third run conscripting the mages and seeing what that brings.     I hadn't realised that who became Divine was dependent on so many decisions that you make in the game, so getting Cassandra previously was more luck than judgement it would seem, even though I did support her.   

 

If there is anything approaching a canon version of the outcome, I would think it would be along the reformed Circle line rather than no Circles at all.

[JumboWheat01]

what if it turns out God is a giant chicken?  WHAT THEN!?

 

I can see the look on Shale's stony face already...

 

Now, on topic, well, with the Keep, we SHOULD get a choice in whether the circles were reformed or not, though if we're in Tevinter like so many of us are predicting for the next Dragon Age game, the circle there is already free and open.  What happens to the "backwards southerner's" circle won't be of much note.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well, since it is well established that the Circles and Tevinter are not the only places a young mage can be properly trained, I don't see why there has to be circles. Dalish train mages, so do Vashoth and, none of that involved a circle. Mages don't need to be locked up, kept form having families,  and treated like criminals. Templars don't have to run about in herds, there can be one or two in each town, ready to deal with an abomination if it happens and, to call in more if another Ferelden Circle mess sort of thing happens.

 

The Seeker could handle tranquility and, with Cassandra at the helm, use it ONLY when the mage absolutely cannot be taught enough to be reasonably safe from possession. And Only mages being possessed never made sense to me - anyone that dreams visits the fade in dreams so, anyone that dreams can be possessed. If that's the reason for locking mages away, then the dwarves had best lock every other race away since they are the only ones that don't dream.

[Anvos]

Any mage outcome seems to end favorably for mages since you appear to either get formation of the College or the Bright Hand takes over circle politics.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Any mage outcome seems to end favorably for mages since you appear to either get formation of the College or the Bright Hand takes over circle politics.

Only if Leliana takes over. If Cass takes over, there is either a civil war or shadow war between mages or Vivienne straight up crushes any alternatives and forces mages back into the circle.

[Darkly Tranquil]

what if it turns out God is a giant chicken?  WHAT THEN!?

That's fine, so long as Bioware don't drop that detail in ten minutes before the end of the series with no prior warning. Otherwise it will be the starchild all over again...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Leliana did not dissolve the Circles. She just renamed and made them Tevinter style (which, of course, led to the eventual rebuilding of the Scumperium).

[Boost32]

Think about it. With the whole "change the world" thing Inquisition seems to have going for it, what if eventually all choices regarding Divine result in the abolition of the Circle system? Leliana dissolves it anyway while Vivienne and Cass could wind up causing another mage rebellion that winds up dissolving the circles? Cass' mage endings both imply conflict with the mages is inevitable and Vivienne's putting down the College could cause resentment. How would you react if the Circle's wound up dissolved anyway?

I would stop caring about the Dragon Age franchise and I would stop playing.

Only if Leliana takes over. If Cass takes over, there is either a civil war or shadow war between mages or Vivienne straight up crushes any alternatives and forces mages back into the circle.

This is way I like her as Divine, she takes no bullshit from anyone and do what she think is right. She is competent at her job as Divine.

And there is no need to say you like Leliana because she dissolves the Templar Order and the Circles,I already know it

[Fireheart]

Down with the Chantry, down with the circles and templars. The mages shall rise again...

I agree with what DarkAmaranth said. Mages don't need circles to learn how to use their magic. And a couple Templars could be stationed at every town in case something goes down, like an abomination popping up. They'd be like a special guard, called in only to deal with Mage problems.

I initially wanted Cassandra to be Divine because I liked her ideas, and personally liked her more than the other two, but I got Vivienne. Then I found out Leliana as Divine would abolish the circles entirely. I don't even think she said she would do that when you discuss it with her. That will be my canon playthrough.

[Steelcan]

Mages don't need the Circle, like Connor, or Chateau D'Onterre, clearly no danger

[Ashagar]

Yep Abominations will take care of themselves, those slaughtered towns were standing in the way of progressive advancement and clearly blood mages enslaving and killing people is just misunderstandings...