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[In Exile]

most men would just be fodder, and stronger fodder is usually better. Fodder isn't trained for years to be an elite warrior, fodder is given a spear and a shield and told "don't run"

Would medieval armies have been more effective if they employed the strongest women in their armies along side men? maybe, but since the goal of an army isn't to to train every individual to the highest possible potential they can manage, its not very relevant, you want a stronger average, not stronger individuals.

This would be excepted somewhat in elite outfits such as the medieval knights, the silver-shields of the Hellenistic era, huscarls in Anglo-Saxon England or Scandinavia, but even then the best men available will still outperform the best women available on average

The Qunari have a standing professional army. They don't have medieval levies. They have a much greater infrastructure and can support professional militaries. The Qunari clearly require highly trained troops, not random fodder. That's why they raise soldiers from a young age instead of just have a population that is 100% dedicated to war.

[Steelcan]

You were proving your point that "it makes little sense for the armies of Thedas to be open to men and women in the rank and file due to sexual dimorphism in terms of strength." Pointing out sexual dimorphism in terms of height does nothing to support your point unless you're assuming a correlation between height and strength. Which is what led to me asking if you believe that Cassandra is physically weaker than any male inquisitor because she is shorter than they are.

I am assuming a correlation between height and strength, because the two often go hand in hand in human populations, perhaps Cassandra was not the best choice because she is undeniably strong, however, that she is shorter proves sexual dimorphism exists in Thedas (which I shouldn't have to prove in the first place), but I will admit she was a poor example

[Steelcan]

The Qunari have a standing professional army. They don't have medieval levies. They have a much greater infrastructure and can support professional militaries. The Qunari clearly require highly trained troops, not random fodder. That's why they raise soldiers from a young age instead of just have a population that is 100% dedicated to war.

you can't win a war with just highly trained troops, the Spartans found that out the hard way

[In Exile]

Cassandra is shorter than a male inquisitor last I checked

And Russians are shorter than the Dutch, but that doesn't make their military less impressive.

[AlanC9]

then you are simply being ridiculous and aren't worth any further effort on my part

Look, if you don't have an actual argument, just feelings, it's OK. A lot of people here roll that way.

But if you do have an argument, what is it? From what we can see of Thedas, height dimorphism exists, but combat dimormpism does not exist -- or rather, it does exist, but to a much lesser degree than it does ITRW.

If your point is that you don't like it when a setting works that way, that's fine. Though that leaves us nothing much to talk about since I don't care if a setting works that way.

[In Exile]

you can't win a war with just highly trained troops, the Spartans found that out the hard way

The Spartans didn't have that impressive of an army, their propaganda aside. Rome on the other hand got quite far with a professional military. As did most modern European states.

[Steelcan]

And Russians are shorter than the Dutch, but that doesn't make their military less impressive.

obviously throwing firearms throws the equation into a tailspin, as do other factors such as training and equipment, I never denied that

[darth_hel]

you can't win a war with just highly trained troops, the Spartans found that out the hard way

 

The Spartan problem was not that they were all highly trained, it was that they werre small in numbers. The Qunari seem to have highly trained Warriors and large numbers of them.

[AppalachianApex]

Of course it going to have to be fairly neutral if you don't have the resources or want to do to completely separate things because they have to work for both and they are sharing resources. You are the one attaching the motivation of "include everyone, don't offended anyone" to this when it's far form the only explanation.

 

I'm curious as to what a particularly "masculine" hairstyle would even be aside from beards which it has. Most of the hairstyle are buzcuts which are for more associated with men and  some of the hairstyle do look like they were made for women. They are not really that neutral, they are just available to both. If they had taken a couple of them and locked it for one gender giving everyone an even smaller pool to work with would have made you more happy just so you can say something is gender segregated?

 

Look, I'm not debating with you. There's nothing to be debated. It's pretty obvious.

Your counter-argument of a limitation of time and resources is pretty easily dismissed. This game is detailed and this large, coming from Bioware and their track record, bearing in mind the differences in hair options, clothing options, diversity I mentioned, AND keeping in mind that that is a game in which we get several different varieties of rideable Nugs. 

 

Bioware wanted to make things more gender-neutral, that much is clear. That's a worthy goal, but it got misconstrued in a lot of places and hurt the game.

That's it.

[AppalachianApex]

The hair, eyebrows, matching pantsuits and Skyhold pajamas offend me, they offend my eyes with their hideousness.

 

It burns. By the Gods, IT BURNS!!

[Steelcan]

The Spartans didn't have that impressive of an army, their propaganda aside. Rome on the other hand got quite far with a professional military. As did most modern European states.

They were still the most well trained force in the ancient world, they became obsolete due to a hidebound reverence for tradition not due to a lack of training.  Again, modern states are out of the running because of firearms, Rome still had a conscription program, their army was not exclusively professional

[Steelcan]

The Spartan problem was not that they were all highly trained, it was that they werre small in numbers. The Qunari seem to have highly trained Warriors and large numbers of them.

10,000 spartan citizens plus allied/subjugated troops, numbers weren't their problem either, the Macedonians just roflstomped them because of their advances in tactics and weaponry

[Nefla]

I am assuming a correlation between height and strength, because the two often go hand in hand in human populations, perhaps Cassandra was not the best choice because she is undeniably strong, however, that she is shorter proves sexual dimorphism exists in Thedas (which I shouldn't have to prove in the first place), but I will admit she was a poor example

A cow is taller and stronger than a cougar, which would you rather fight?

[luism]

This thread sucks

[Nefla]

This thread sucks

Yes it does. I miss when it was about Qunari culture rather than people arguing whether women are weak, useless puddles that should never be fighters even in a fantasy game or not.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

obviously throwing firearms throws the equation into a tailspin, as do other factors such as training and equipment, I never denied that

Yep. Firearms and their predecessors like crossbows were designed specifically to replace quality with quantity. A person had to be really well fit and trained to use a longbow, but anyone could use a crossbow. 

 

 

10,000 spartan citizens plus allied/subjugated troops, numbers weren't their problem either, the Macedonians just roflstomped them because of their advances in tactics and weaponry

You know, roflstomped is actually a very accurate way of describing that. 

[Steelcan]

A cow is taller and stronger than a cougar, which would you rather fight?

if I had to pick, the puma tbh, they aren't terrific on the follow through when it comes to killing people

 

plus

 

water buffalo

 

Satan himself would run away pissing himself if he angered them

[Steelcan]

Yes it does. I miss when it was about Qunari culture rather than people arguing whether women are weak, useless puddles that should never be fighters even in a fantasy game or not.

a position I have never stated or supported

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

A cow is taller and stronger than a cougar, which would you rather fight?

The cougar, especially if the cow in this scenario is a bull. Bulls are powerful enough to defeat grizzly bears. The California Grizzly Bear went extinct in no small part do to humans making them fight bulls. Female cattle are no slouches either since they have to be tough enough to fend off things like wolves, cougars, etc. 

[AlanC9]

I am assuming a correlation between height and strength, because the two often go hand in hand in human populations, perhaps Cassandra was not the best choice because she is undeniably strong, however, that she is shorter proves sexual dimorphism exists in Thedas (which I shouldn't have to prove in the first place), but I will admit she was a poor example

Actually, the example's perfect. Cassandra shows us exactly what height means in Thedas.

[Nefla]

a position I have never stated or supported

Then what is your purpose in this argument? That women in DA are slightly shorter and aside from elves significantly more slender than their male DA counterparts? Anyone with eyes can see that, why does it matter? Why does it matter if there are female soldiers and warriors and bandits in this fantasy game?

[Steelcan]

Then what is your purpose in this argument? That women in DA are slightly shorter and aside from elves significantly more slender than their male DA counterparts? Anyone with eyes can see that, why does it matter?

because apparently the statement "sexual dimorphism exists in Thedas" is controversial

[luism]

Yes it does. I miss when it was about Qunari culture rather than people arguing whether women are weak, useless puddles that should never be fighters even in a fantasy game or not.

Seriously , everything that's wrong about dragon age Inquisition can be found here in this thread.

I'm starting to think that this game is a victim of the time it was conceived in and not because of any technical, gameplay or game design decision.

Who th f cares it's all fiction has nothing to do with real life historical battles or warriors or whatever its a video game they can do what they want with the story. Why do people now days take themselves so seriously?

Oh wait it's Valentine's Day so if we are on this board debating this ridiculous topic then it means we probably either don't have dates or are married with children

[Nefla]

because apparently the statement "sexual dimorphism exists in Thedas" is controversial

And yet, aside from the visual aspect, it does not affect combat ability in DA so what is your point?

[Kallas_br123]

Rather than accept that warriors such as Cassandra and aveline be exceptions, you want to argue that all women of thedas are physically equal to men ??

 

I'm not sure if it has connection but some of you here remember the legend of aveline? (a chevalier, not the kirkwall)