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[Nefla]

Seriously , everything that's wrong about dragon age Inquisition can be found here in this thread.

I'm starting to think that this game is a victim of the time it was conceived in and not because of any technical, gameplay or game design decision.

Who th f cares it's all fiction has nothing to do with real life historical battles or warriors or whatever its a video game they can do what they want with the story. Why do people now days take themselves so seriously?

Oh wait it's Valentine's Day so if we are on this board debating this ridiculous topic then it means we probably either don't have dates or are married with children

Ha!

 

Oh wait

[Nefla]

 

Rather than accept that warriors such as Cassandra and aveline be exceptions, you want to argue that all women of thedas are physically equal to men ??

 

some of you here remember the legend of aveline? (a chevalier, not the kirkwall)

 

They're not exceptions in DA. There are just as many female templars, bandits, soldiers, etc...as males.

[Steelcan]

And yet, aside from the visual aspect, it does not affect combat ability in DA so what is your point?

I've been saying that since the sexual dimorphism exists, its odd that women would be so prominent in an army based heavily on physical strength, in addition to other considerations that come up when discussing a quasi-medieval setting, I find the handwave that BioWare has rolled with unsatisfactory

 

NOTE:

 

I am not saying that every single woman is inferior to every single man in combat, or that its impossible for a woman to be a skilled warrior

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They're not exceptions in DA. There are just as many female templars, bandits, soldiers, etc...as males.

I disagree. We have to fight a lot more male mooks than female ones. But that probably has more to do with people having a bigger issue killing females than killing males than the fighting ability of fictional characters. http://tvtropes.org/...xpendableGender

[Kallas_br123]

They're not exceptions in DA. There are just as many female templars, bandits, soldiers, etc...as males.

vast majority of Templar soldiers and bandits are composed of men, the large amount of women in this occupation, only represents the cultural difference between thedas and our world, reflecting that much of social inspirations of dragon age are our modern culture, not ours medival culture.

[byne]

I've been saying that since the sexual dimorphism exists, its odd that women would be so prominent in an army based heavily on physical strength, in addition to other considerations that come up when discussing a quasi-medieval setting, I find the handwave that BioWare has rolled with unsatisfactory

 

NOTE:

 

I am not saying that every single woman is inferior to every single man in combat, or that its impossible for a woman to be a skilled warrior

 

 

Thats just a common staple of medieval fantasy. If you have almost no women you get accused of being sexist, if you have women who are realistically built to be warriors, people will complain and call the women manly and ugly, so you have to go with the conventionally attractive looking female warriors, whether it makes sense or not.

[Kallas_br123]

Thats just a common staple of medieval fantasy. If you have almost no women you get accused of being sexist, if you have women who are realistically built to be warriors, people will complain and call the women manly and ugly, so you have to go with the conventionally attractive looking female warriors, whether it makes sense or not.

so true.

[DementedSheep]

Look, I'm not debating with you. There's nothing to be debated. It's pretty obvious.

Your counter-argument of a limitation of time and resources is pretty easily dismissed. This game is detailed and this large, coming from Bioware and their track record, bearing in mind the differences in hair options, clothing options, diversity I mentioned, AND keeping in mind that that is a game in which we get several different varieties of rideable Nugs. 

 

Bioware wanted to make things more gender-neutral, that much is clear. That's a worthy goal, but it got misconstrued in a lot of places and hurt the game.

That's it.

It's not "pretty obvious".

 

This game is detailed in some ways but their are lot of things that could have use more work as usual, in including character models for the PC. There is **** all armour variety for the PC too. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative..

[Nefla]

I've been saying that since the sexual dimorphism exists, its odd that women would be so prominent in an army based heavily on physical strength, in addition to other considerations that come up when discussing a quasi-medieval setting, I find the handwave that BioWare has rolled with unsatisfactory

 

NOTE:

 

I am not saying that every single woman is inferior to every single man in combat, or that its impossible for a woman to be a skilled warrior

Physical strength is clearly far outside of what it would be in reality so that observation is pointless. Why is the lack of difference in strength and skill between male and female characters an issue? In case you haven't noticed the game is full of things that don't make sense in the real world. How can a dragon fly despite being so heavy and having wings that are too small to get it off the ground if that were even possible? (and how can they breathe fire and other elements?) Why are all of our characters so strong and resilient that they can get chewed up by a dragon, burnt with fire, stabbed, crushed, fall off cliffs, etc...without a scratch? Why can we stab a dragon or giant to death with a sword (stab it to death by stabbing it in the legs no less)? 

[ThreeF]

I've been saying that since the sexual dimorphism exists, its odd that women would be so prominent in an army based heavily on physical strength,

Is it really only physical strength, though?  The way I see it the warrior has plenty magical buffs in DA so it's not pure muscular strength.

[Steelcan]

Physical strength is clearly far outside of what it would be in reality so that observation is pointless. Why is the lack of difference in strength and skill between male and female characters an issue? In case you haven't noticed the game is full of things that don't make sense in the real world. How can a dragon fly despite being so heavy and having wings that are too small to get it off the ground if that were even possible? (and how can they breathe fire and other elements?) Why are all of our characters so strong and resilient that they can get chewed up by a dragon, burnt with fire, stabbed, crushed, fall off cliffs, etc...without a scratch? Why can we stab a dragon or giant to death with a sword (stab it to death by stabbing it in the legs no less)? 

I am willing to write much off in the name of gameplay/lore segregation or setting appropriate magic

 

I am talking about lore descriptions of armies in Thedas and how I find BioWare's explanation unsatisfactory

[Steelcan]

Is it really only physical strength, though?  The way I see it the warrior has plenty magical buffs in DA so it's not pure muscular strength.

well I always figured lot of those are meant to simulate training or reflexes (such as the passive "Bear Mauls Wolves in DA:I)

[In Exile]

Thats just a common staple of medieval fantasy. If you have almost no women you get accused of being sexist, if you have women who are realistically built to be warriors, people will complain and call the women manly and ugly, so you have to go with the conventionally attractive looking female warriors, whether it makes sense or not.

 

You apparantly get accused of women being manly and ugly when they have short hair and scars, even if they're incredibly feminine in appearance (see Cassandra)

[Nefla]

I am willing to write much off in the name of gameplay/lore segregation or setting appropriate magic

 

I am talking about lore descriptions of armies in Thedas and how I find BioWare's explanation unsatisfactory

So the explanation of how dragons can fly, how people are super heroes, etc...is acceptable, but women in the army is questionable...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Physical strength is clearly far outside of what it would be in reality so that observation is pointless. Why is the lack of difference in strength and skill between male and female characters an issue? In case you haven't noticed the game is full of things that don't make sense in the real world. How can a dragon fly despite being so heavy and having wings that are too small to get it off the ground if that were even possible? (and how can they breathe fire and other elements?) Why are all of our characters so strong and resilient that they can get chewed up by a dragon, burnt with fire, stabbed, crushed, fall off cliffs, etc...without a scratch? Why can we stab a dragon or giant to death with a sword (stab it to death by stabbing it in the legs no less)? 

Oh, I can answer this. There was a docufiction about dragons where they explained how they could theoretically exist as real creatures. 

 

Them flying despite their huge size is because their bone structure is more like a bird's than a reptile's, as in the bones are hollow and thus lightweight. So that with efficient muscular and cardiovascular systems could generate lift. 

Them breathing fire is the result of a chemical mixture that ignites when the ingredients mix and are exposed to oxygen. So they wouldn't breath fire so much as they would breathe something equivalent to napalm. 

[Steelcan]

So the explanation of how dragons can fly, how people are super heroes, etc...is acceptable, but women in the army is questionable...

because that is gameplay or explainable by magic, how women are able to pursue a martial career in a world that would have been stacked against such a pursuit due to recruitment tactics, infant mortality, and such is another question

[byne]

So the explanation of how dragons can fly, how people are super heroes, etc...is acceptable, but women in the army is questionable...

 

Dragons are fictional creatures, women are not, as far as I know.

[AppalachianApex]

It's not "pretty obvious".

 

This game is detailed in some ways but their are lot of things that could have use more work as usual, in including character models for the PC. There is **** all armour variety for the PC too. Sorry it doesn't fit your narrative..

Tell yourself what you like. As I said, I'm not debating something this blatant with you.

[Steelcan]

Dragons are fictional creatures, women are not, as far as I know.

*insensitive comment about your social anxiety*

[byne]

*insensitive comment about your social anxiety*

 

I am currently tumblr user levels of offended, how could you do this to me D:

[Nefla]

because that is gameplay or explainable by magic, how women are able to pursue a martial career in a world that would have been stacked against such a pursuit due to recruitment tactics, infant mortality, and such is another question

I find that explanation unsatisfactory. 

 

What "recruitment tactics" are you talking about? The Grey Wardens recruit by taking anyone of any race or gender who is capable. The Kirkwall city guard takes humans of both genders. The templars take humans of both genders. Your own explanation of "it's magic" explains why there isn't a high infant mortality rate: healing magic. People in Thedas have been shown to live clean, generally disease-free lives compared to actual medieval history. I don't see any human nation of Thedas with a population problem so there is no reason for women to buckle down on popping out a bunch of babies.

[ThreeF]

well I always figured lot of those are meant to simulate training or reflexes (such as the passive "Bear Mauls Wolves in DA:I)

Well let's see more closely thought?

 

Cassandra has her Seeker ability which clearly gives her an advantage.

Champion's Line in the Sand ability seems more like a power drawn from a prayer 

Templar's abilities for the most part seem to be a more of faith, will and rally thing

Reaver's Ring of Pain ability seems to be magical because enemy take spirit damage

 

You also have resistance potions, barriers and buffs that can be cast on you.

[Steelcan]

I find that explanation unsatisfactory. 

 

What "recruitment tactics" are you talking about? The Grey Wardens recruit by taking anyone of any race or gender who is capable. The Kirkwall city guard takes humans of both genders. The templars take humans of both genders. Your own explanation of "it's magic" explains why there isn't a high infant mortality rate: healing magic. People in Thedas have been shown to live clean, generally disease-free lives compared to actual medieval history. I don't see any human nation of Thedas with a population problem so there is no reason for women to buckle down on popping out a bunch of babies.

And it is your prerogative to ask or try and reason out better explanations, gods know I won't stop you.

 

The Grey Wardens would be an exception because they can afford to recruit only the best (overlooking numerous issues with their own structure for supporting such an armed force), national armies wouldn't have that luxury.

 

The rest of your post goes into why I am disappointed in Thedas being a medieval-esque setting, it would have been much better served in post-industrial revolution  setting based on that.  (againt o ignore questions such as the average peasant's access to magical healing services which I imagine would be pretty rare due to the nature of Circles and costs involved in getting and paying there, and apostates)

[MrSnoozer]

They're not exceptions in DA. There are just as many female templars, bandits, soldiers, etc...as males.

Its not an important point but are you saying this as in 'the amount of NPC appearing in the game' or 'Read it in a book?'

 

Because in game (DA I ) i don't see many female NPC to fight , not that they are absent just that they are rare , i take it its a 'devs minimising resources' rather than 'women are less likely to be attackable NPC's because men are more prone to being evil etc'

[Steelcan]

Well let's see more closely thought?

 

Cassandra has her Seeker ability which clearly gives her an advantage.

Champion's Line in the Sand ability seems more like a power drawn from a prayer 

Templar's abilities for the most part seem to be a more of faith, will and rally thing

Reaver's Ring of Pain ability seems to be magical because enemy take spirit damage

 

You also have resistance potions, barriers and buffs that can be cast on you.

Seeker abilities are magical in nature due to their unique training

If I were to point to an irl example, faith and confidence can easily be used to help boost morale and fighting spirit (assuming the prayer itself isn't powerful which is entirely possible in universe ex. The Littany of Adrala)

Templars derive power from lyrium, a magical substance

Reavers derive power from dragon's blood, also magical