I think that they are setting this up because they plan on having Tevinter fall, soon I would imagine.
Yeah, this is exactly what I'm afraid of.
Tevinter may be the Evil Empire at the moment, but as for my personal preferences - I didn't think a fictional culture could exist that I would want to annihilate completely, but that's what the Qun is to me.
Even the major current Tevinter enemy wasn't some mustache twirling enemy, he was a man trying to save his son at any cost. His actions were evil but his motivation was understandable.
the main enemy from Tevinter was a Blight ravaged maniac who wanted to make himself God
The Qunari are very fond of categorization, and look upon those categories as absolute and defining -- but they are not without their own degree of fluidity by Qunari standards, which are very different from our own.
You say you're female? Then you do not fight -- "fighting" being when someone serves as a warrior. Some folks looked on Tallis as a contradiction to this as well, rather than accepting that someone like Sten would not look upon what she does as fighting. Being able to pick up a weapon and use it, even to use it well, does not make one a warrior if that is not their purpose (which it would not be, for a Ben-Hassrath, but certainly would be for a Grey Warden whose stated purpose is to combat the darkspawn).
You say you're male? Then fighting is acceptable. Even if your biology might say otherwise, the Qunari have a term for what this means and clearly the Tamassrans take it into account -- though you might note Iron Bull did not indicate how easily that might occur. We have a term for "transgender" in our real-world society as well -- that does not automatically translate into it being looked upon exactly the same by every person.
You can take what Sten said in DAO as the last and final word on every aspect of Qunari society, and thus everything following it as contradictory, or you can take into account these different viewpoints as new information and consider how they fit into the whole. It's really up to you, though that's hardly going to stop us from further developing the Qunari culture...regardless of the reasons one might ascribe to us for doing so.
Thank you for clarifying, Mr. Gaider. When it comes to a fictional culture, I don't take one character's account as a final word on it. Each character's take on a culture can be affected by their own preconception, and they might now have a complete understanding of the culture.
In DA games, there are many pieces of information regarding the Qunari culture, but I don't feel that I get the complete picture of the Qun just yet. I am glad to here that you will not stop further developing the Qunari culture; it is very intriguing.
This is when directly comparing the top-end percentile for each. But it's not as if every man out there is guaranteed to be physically superior to every woman, simply because of their genders. That's the overleap I'm talking about -- take for example a female martial artist and a male ski jumper, and even though both are world class athletes there's very good odds it's not the guy that will be physically superior in this match.the difference exists and it is considerable, do not believe look for male and female Olympic records, and look why the existence of male and female division in sports fights. men are superior physically there's no denying it.
This is when directly comparing the top-end percentile for each. But it's not as if every man out there is guaranteed to be physically superior to every woman, simply because of their genders. That's the overleap I'm talking about -- take for example a female martial artist and a male ski jumper, and even though both are world class athletes there's very good odds it's not the guy that will be physically superior in this match.
true, but if you take two people, one biological man, the other a biological woman, and give them the exact training and equipment, you tell me who is probably going to fare better in a fight
the main enemy from Tevinter was a Blight ravaged maniac who wanted to make himself God
Thats why I said current. He's from old Tevinter and kind of insane now anyway. Alexius was the villain that was a current Magister
true, but if you take two people, one biological man, the other a biological woman, and give them the exact training and equipment, you tell me who is probably going to fare better in a fight
There's no way to know. Because training and equipment aren't everything. This is the problem when you take generalities and try to apply them to everyone, you end up missing out on the outliers. The woman may be more intelligent and take to the training better, or have better reflexes, or a million different scenarios where the woman is the better candidate.
Applying statistics to whole population is foolish, which the Qunari despite all of their obvious flaws is not.
If you want the best, you look for the best, you don't let statistics change that.
Here, or in Thedas?true, but if you take two people, one biological man, the other a biological woman, and give them the exact training and equipment, you tell me who is probably going to fare better in a fight
There's no way to know. Because training and equipment aren't everything. This is the problem when you take generalities and try to apply them to everyone, you end up missing out on the outliers. The woman may be more intelligent and take to the training better, or have better reflexes, or a million different scenarios where the woman is the better candidate.
Applying statistics to whole population is foolish, which the Qunari despite all of their obvious flaws is not.
If you want the best, you look for the best, you don't let statistics change that.
you are over thinking a rather simple question, and going beyond the parameters, I am talking two equally matched opponents in gear and training (for example intelligence would be a rather negligible factor in this, being smart ain't gonna help you take a blow any better)
Humans (and primates in general) are sexually dimorphic, the males of the species are larger and stronger due to more testosterone and, usually, a lifestyle that is more physically demanding.
And statistics are important in many ways, and I don't think that really needs explanation. Furthermore, the qunari are built precisely around the average, not the exemplary, Solas spells this out rather bluntly in banter with Bull.
Here, or in Thedas?
I meanunless women in Thedas somehow have elevated levels of testosterone in their system it'll hold true for both
It will still depend on their physical builds and other factors (metabolism and whathaveyou) as well as mental abilities. On average yes, the man is likely to be physically stronger but again, the characters we get to play in RPGs are individuals and not some nebulous 'averages'. Thus, it makes little sense to set universal, gender-based penalties for them based on such averages.true, but if you take two people, one biological man, the other a biological woman, and give them the exact training and equipment, you tell me who is probably going to fare better in a fight
It will still depend on their physical builds and other factors (metabolism and whathaveyou) as well as mental abilities. On average yes, the man is likely to be physically stronger but again, the characters we get to play in RPGs are individuals and not some nebulous 'averages'. Thus, it makes little sense to set universal, gender-based penalties for them based on such averages.
that is all the Qunari need to know
you are over thinking a rather simple question, and going beyond the parameters, I am talking two equally matched opponents in gear and training (for example intelligence would be a rather negligible factor in this, being smart ain't gonna help you take a blow any better)
Humans (and primates in general) are sexually dimorphic, the males of the species are larger and stronger due to more testosterone and, usually, a lifestyle that is more physically demanding.
And statistics are important in many ways, and I don't think that really needs explanation. Furthermore, the qunari are built precisely around the average, not the exemplary, Solas spells this out rather bluntly in banter with Bull.
You're simplifying an incredibly complex question. Training and Equipment are not the only factors involved in fighting. Your parameters are useless.
Even if Men are stronger than Women on average, the top women are going to be better than most men. So, you'd still want the top women in your army over most men.
I meanunless women in Thedas somehow have elevated levels of testosterone in their system it'll hold true for both
You're simplifying an incredibly complex question. Training and Equipment are not the only factors involved in fighting. Your parameters are useless.
No its not nearly as complicated as people like to make it out. In the hand to hand combat of medieval warfare, the ones who can wear heavier armor while still effectively wielding a weapon are going to come out on top 9 times out of 10. Discipline, armament, and training will win the day in the vast majority of times. In order to increase chances of winning, you want a stronger average of soldiers
Certain weapons can nullify this, such as the English Longbow, crossbow, in Thedas Magic, and so on, but the majority of effective fighters (particularly for the qunari) will have been trained warriors who pack on the armor and weapons and then slug it out. In a shield wall type battle, being intelligent means you can more fully grasp the situation before getting your head cleaved in two by a better trained and armed person.
true, but if you take two people, one biological man, the other a biological woman, and give them the exact training and equipment, you tell me who is probably going to fare better in a fight
The one who is more genetically inclined toward fighting. If the man is 5'3 and 110 pounds, and the woman is 6'3 and build like a truck, which is rare but happens, then it's the woman.
No its not nearly as complicated as people like to make it out. In the hand to hand combat of medieval warfare, the ones who can wear heavier armor while still effectively wielding a weapon are going to come out on top 9 times out of 10. Discipline, armament, and training will win the day in the vast majority of times. In order to increase chances of winning, you want a stronger average of soldiers
Certain weapons can nullify this, such as the English Longbow, crossbow, in Thedas Magic, and so on, but the majority of effective fighters (particularly for the qunari) will have been trained warriors who pack on the armor and weapons and then slug it out. In a shield wall type battle, being intelligent means you can more fully grasp the situation before getting your head cleaved in two by a better trained and armed person.
What that means is that you want, say, the top 1/2 of men and top 1/3rd of women in your army, rather than all men, if e.g. the top 1/3rd of women are > the bottom 1/2 of men in strenght. You can fill in these numbers as you like, but some men would just be fodder.
Even if Men are stronger than Women on average, the top women are going to be better than most men. So, you'd still want the top women in your army over most men.
How will the Qunari know who the top fighting women are, unless they train everyone to fight which we know they don't do?
Even if Men are stronger than Women on average, the top women are going to be better than most men. So, you'd still want the top women in your army over most men.
Yes, the top women would be better than the average men, but when you are putting together an army, you aren't looking for the few outliers, you want lots of bodies with some sort of weapon
I meanunless women in Thedas somehow have elevated levels of testosterone in their system it'll hold true for both
...or some other essence which we may not know of, or need to explain further, because from all that we can observe from all of the stories in Dragon Age, it is clear that it is common for a woman to be as physically strong as a man, and no one in Thedas seems remotely surprised or unaccustomed to this. As such the only conclusion we may draw, is that the gender differences in regards to physical limitations in Thedas are very small, for whatever reason...just like Dragons can fly for whatever reason, though it defies the laws of aerodynamics...
What that means is that you want, say, the top 1/2 of men and top 1/3rd of women in your army, rather than all men, if e.g. the top 1/3rd of women are > the bottom 1/2 of men in strenght. You can fill in these numbers as you like, but some men would just be fodder.
most men would just be fodder, and stronger fodder is usually better. Fodder isn't trained for years to be an elite warrior, fodder is given a spear and a shield and told "don't run"
Would medieval armies have been more effective if they employed the strongest women in their armies along side men? maybe, but since the goal of an army isn't to to train every individual to the highest possible potential they can manage, its not very relevant, you want a stronger average, not stronger individuals.
This would be excepted somewhat in elite outfits such as the medieval knights, the silver-shields of the Hellenistic era, huscarls in Anglo-Saxon England or Scandinavia, but even then the best men available will still outperform the best women available on average
...or some other essence which we may not know of, or need to explain further, because from all that we can observe from all of the stories in Dragon Age, it is clear that it is common for a woman to be as physically strong as a man, and no one in Thedas seems remotely surprised or unaccustomed to this. As such the only conclusion we may draw, is that the gender differences in regards to physical limitations in Thedas are very small, for whatever reason...just like Dragons can fly for whatever reason, though it defies the laws of aerodynamics...
or they have no gender restrictions on armies because its an RPG and they wanted to include the possibility of women fighters, despite real life historical examples being few and far between (but by no means non-existent)
Which works both ways -- it means lot of the men you get in your army won't be anywhere near the top performance-wise, either. So at the end you aren't getting some sort of homogenous setup where you have clearly better men and then the inferior women, but rather a mix that might start with men, then have some women, then some men, then women again... etc.Yes, the top women would be better than the average men, but when you are putting together an army, you aren't looking for the few outliers, you want lots of bodies with some sort of weapon
It might be the boob-plates. Krem and Cassandra don't wear boob plates- maybe they'd not look like women to Sten.
Except he still says it even if you are in massive armor thus no boob plates.
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