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[Klidi]

I rather like DAI, but the longer I play, the more annoying all the bullshit about the Wardens and the Hero is.

 

NO, I don't mind the Warden isn't in the game. What I mind is that DAI makes my Warden (especially my mage Warden) look like a jerk. 

 

But, you want me to believe that my two-goody-shoes Mage Warden simply left and let the country he fought so hard to defend to just fall apart? You want me to believe that he asked Alistair for a boon to make the mages independent from the Chantry, but now, during the rebellion he'd do nothing to help the king and the mages? That he'd just watch the idiotic Fiona (this is the first time ever I HATE a character in Bioware games, btw) to sell mages into slavery to Tevinters? 

 

And while he didn't romance Alistair (obviously) or Leliana, they were good friends - he had 100 approval with both. Leliana's suspicions about the Wardens being involved, without ever acknowledging Warden's existence irritates me every time I hear it. And all the bullshit about 'yeah, Wardens disappeared, that's what the Wardens do outside the Blight' even more. (Ten years after the war is way too soon for a Hero to disappear and people not care, or forget about the war. It's simply not realistic. You may repair the buildings, but the injuries of a war (on both country and individual level) take much, much longer to heal. The Hero would be worshipped for at least 30 years - unless he went into the politics. >.>)

 

I understand why Bioware didn't want to include the Wardens, but I wish they found a more logical reason why the Warden is absent, and perhaps threw in a few comments from Alistair and Leliana, based on the decisions from the Keep - that the comment would be different if the Warden was a good guy who always saved everyone, or a jerk who killed off his companions. 

 

Why did we have an option to create the world state, when the game doesn't fit wit it AT ALL? Honestly, it's becoming such an issue that I probably won't finish a single playtrough because of it. 

[TravisTrevelyan]

He leaves to find a cure for the Calling. 
Which would make it so that being a Grey Warden wasn't necessarily a curse, no more thirty year ticking time bomb. 
less if you were part of a blight (which means he may be working on borrowed time)
Leliana does comment on it, saying she would write the Warden regularly, but the replies stopped recently. You even get the war table op to contact the Hero of Ferelden who responds in a letter. 
also, its pretty much guaranteed we'll get something in regards to the Warden with furutre DLC. What he's doing is too big of a mission to not bring the Inquisition into it to help him. 

all in all, the Warden cares more then anyone which is why he left to search for the cure. Be it magic, or something else out there. 

[TravisTrevelyan]

But still the Warden is overall, who you made him. 
Hell, he could be dead and a Orlesian warden could have taken over the Fereldan wardens. 

[Snook]

I was okay with the explanation we got, for my Warden I mean. She wasn't much of a huge, die-hard 'Warden till I die!' type, doesn't have much of a stake in the mage-Templar war or anything like that, and she wasn't very enthusiastic about the fate meant for her either. It's why she got Alistair to do the Dark Ritual. 

 

She romanced Leliana, so her saying that she was off searching for a cure for her as much as she was for herself was particularly in-character. That would definitely be her primary concern nowadays. I liked it. Can see why some people might not be so fond of the whole premise with their Wardens, however.

 

My only problem with the whole thing, is that I feel like it really needs to be continued on now. They could have gone for something open-ended, but I can't just go and headcanon something as huge as the Warden curing the damned Calling. :/

[Klidi]

Yeah, well, my Warden isn't like that. He wouldn't disappear if the situation was this bad, not even for the cure for Taint. Because priorities, you know? His Calling is still 20 years in future, while this is destroying his country now. He and Alistair are best buddies, he likes Leliana (he'd be the first one to support her as a next Divine), he has risked his life for people in Redcliffe. Vanishing without a trace or without a damn good reason is simply not possible.

 

Besides, he was already 'gone' when the mage/templar war started (based on Cassandra and Leli's talk in DA2), and now, years later, he's still not back? Sorry, that's just lazy writing.

 

It wouldn't even take that much - I don't need to know exactly where he is or what he's doing, but I'd love if it was at least hinted, or if the comments NPCs would reflect his moral choices from the world state. Leliana's suspicion that he's involved into Divine's death (because if Fereldan Wardens are involved, so is he, since he's the Commander in Ferelden) was a nasty surprise, that ruined the immersion for me.

 

It made me realise, once again, that the 'player's decisions' are completely irrelevant; it felt, once again, that the devs are shoving down my neck their idea of the ruthless Warden Commander, role-playing element be damned. And I'm sick and tired of that.

[disi123]

I played Witch Hunt and he followed Morrigan into the mirror, saying "I'll go anywhere you go..." well...

[In Exile]

It's the same thing as when my anti-GW Warden got told to be Commander of the Ferelden Grey Wardens in DAA. Bioware had their own plot for the character. You won't get what you want. That's why the best outcome is for the PC to never again be mentioned after a game.

[ThreeF]

The Warden doesn't look for the cure just for himself. The Calling and the nature of Wardens might have much more devastating and important implication later. I also find it nice that the Warden doesn't  suffers from hero syndrome.

[Dai Grepher]

Well the story about him mysteriously disappearing was rewritten. So that's that.

 

The story of looking for a cure for the taint is logical. It fits my Hero perfectly, as he never considered himself a Warden, and he is opposed to what the Wardens stand for. He worked to change this in Awakening.

 

The problem, as you point out, is that the Hero leaves Ferelden to its fate. This is unsettling. It makes the Hero look like a chump who ran when the world was on the brink of destruction. Nothing that head-canon can't fix though.

 

The thing I really dislike is how Vigil's Keep isn't mentioned at all. If all the Wardens disappeared, then the Vigil would be left only to the Silver Order. In which case this should have at least been mentioned in DA:I. But in the end, I guess it turns out all right. I assume the Hero will succeed in finding the cure, at least.

[Klidi]

Well, good for you if you can fit it into your headcanon.

 

I can't. For me it was a major immersion killer, and a reason why I probably won't finish DAI and definitely won't buy another DA game. I don't know why Bioware hates DAO so much - they didn't have a problem to include Hawke, but Warden must be turned into a jerk... I got a feeling they tried too hard to overcome DAO in this game, so they deliberately ignored all of the canon (or what was left of it after DA2), twist every pice of lore they could possibly twist, and disregarded the player's choices...

 

YMMW, but for me, that pretty much kills the purpose of the RPG.

[thats1evildude]

But, you want me to believe that my two-goody-shoes Mage Warden simply left and let the country he fought so hard to defend to just fall apart? You want me to believe that he asked Alistair for a boon to make the mages independent from the Chantry, but now, during the rebellion he'd do nothing to help the king and the mages? That he'd just watch the idiotic Fiona (this is the first time ever I HATE a character in Bioware games, btw) to sell mages into slavery to Tevinters? 

 

Had he stayed in Ferelden, he would be affected by Corypheus' false Calling right now.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I wish they'd just kill off the Warden, tbh. It's an absolute war of attrition with the fan base. If they don't mention the Warden, there's cries of WHERE'S MAH WARDEN?! If they do mention the Warden, there's cries of THAT'S NOT WHAT MAH WARDEN WOULD HAVE DONE! The only solution is making the Warden completely controllable, and they're not interested in making DAO2. The bottom line is that they can not write every possible head canon into the game. My Warden, for example, would have told everyone to eff off at the idea of becoming warden-commander, yet I still played DAA because I realized that my character has to fit within the established narrative. If someone can't accept that, it's probably for the best to just not play subsequent games.

[Ser Kilroy]

I wish they'd just kill off the Warden, tbh. It's an absolute war of attrition with the fan base. If they don't mention the Warden, there's cries of WHERE'S MAH WARDEN?! If they do mention the Warden, there's cries of THAT'S NOT WHAT MAH WARDEN WOULD HAVE DONE! The only solution is making the Warden completely controllable, and they're not interested in making DAO2. The bottom line is that they can not write every possible head canon into the game. My Warden, for example, would have told everyone to eff off at the idea of becoming warden-commander, yet I still played DAA because I realized that my character has to fit within the established narrative. If someone can't accept that, it's probably for the best to just not play subsequent games.

This right here.

 

 

Didn't the Warden leave well before inquisition started anyway? If he/she came back they would be vulnerable to the mind control/blood magic the venitori/coryfish have at their disposal.  Imagine watching coryfish making your warden fight your inquistor. ( it would be fun to see the rage/tears on the forums )

 

Ending the calling is exactly something my warden would've done.

 

 

Personal i think bioware missed an opportunity with alistair as the king and have some sleeper agent controlling him or explain if he his being affected in some way by the false calling

[Pack_Fan116]

It is possible that the Warden isn't anywhere in Fereldan or Orlais... He may be in a land so far away searching for a cure that it would be impossible for him (or her) to come and help the Inquisition. It's not like there are planes or automobiles... In the time it would take to ride on horseback to Skyhold, the events of DAI would probably be over.

At least that's what I telling myself, because my Warden would have shown up to lead the Inquisition (and continue romancing Leliana).

[Wulfram]

I do find it rather a weak excuse. But it doesn't bother me all that much, and I dread to think how bad it would have been if the Warden had shown up. They couldn't include Hawke without screwing up their character.

Had he stayed in Ferelden, he would be affected by Corypheus' false Calling right now.

If Alistair/Stroud/Loghain can deal with it, the Warden can deal with it

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I do find it rather a weak excuse. But it doesn't bother me all that much, and I dread to think how bad it would have been if the Warden had shown up. They couldn't include Hawke without screwing up their character.


If Alistair/Stroud/Loghain can deal with it, the Warden can deal with it

Yeah, I can't even imagine the outrage if they had messed up the Warden to the degree they messed up Hawke. They made the right choice in not including the Warden. Former player character cameos are just not a good idea.

[Winged Silver]

I think the majority of the warden involvement had to do with Orlesian wardens in Inquisition. So it's not a perfect solution, but it kind of makes sense that if we're dealing with Orlais, we may not hear so much from Ferelden (there are still tensions from the Orlesian occupation that took place around the end of the Blessed Age/Beginning of Dragon Age).

 

Of course, that does bring it's own slew of issues, such as why, if we were dealing with Orlesian wardens, did Alistair/Loghain show up, given that they're so very Ferelden (okay Loghain does say in Awakenings (If I remember correctly) that he's going to Orlais, but still).

 

As for the Warden's excuse for not being around....it actually makes some sense if one has read The Calling (the second book in the book/game series, chronologically speaking).

 

Spoiler

In this book, the Architect, whom we also meet in Awakenings, is searching for a cure to the calling his brethren experience (the Darkspawn). Not to go too into detail, but we see Duncan and Fiona here, and we see Fiona experience her 'curing' of the warden taint (mysteriously). With this context, that there is a Darkspawn searching for the cure, and a warden who has been cured, given that the Hero of Ferelden has met the Architect, it's possible to extrapolate that they may have found something interesting regarding the Architect and the entire 'curing' process, and that may have instigated their search.

 

This doesn't fix the issue of the Warden's personality, certainly, but hopefully in future titles if we see our Wardens again, we may have some more options in terms of picking their personality. I suppose we shall see.

[Snook]

I wish they'd just kill off the Warden, tbh. It's an absolute war of attrition with the fan base. If they don't mention the Warden, there's cries of WHERE'S MAH WARDEN?! If they do mention the Warden, there's cries of THAT'S NOT WHAT MAH WARDEN WOULD HAVE DONE! The only solution is making the Warden completely controllable, and they're not interested in making DAO2. The bottom line is that they can not write every possible head canon into the game. My Warden, for example, would have told everyone to eff off at the idea of becoming warden-commander, yet I still played DAA because I realized that my character has to fit within the established narrative. If someone can't accept that, it's probably for the best to just not play subsequent games.

 

Er, I'm pretty sure the reaction from the fanbase to the Warden getting an underwhelming off-screen death for no reason other than 'Uh...we can't figure out what to do here' would be much, much worse than any complaints going on right now. That'd be a pretty awful solution.