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[IamOuterRate]

There is only 1, they'll yell the ending. I'd agree getting the ending correct is GOOD but to say the ending made the game horrible? 75+ hours of epicness and the ending makes you call the game trash and vow not to play any other Bioware games? 

 

I'll making this topic after reading a very recent article where there were loads of ppl saying. "Well after that ME3 fiasco(the ending obviously), I'm not gonna get ME4" . I just don't see why people act like they played the game then say the ending made it trash, how does that make sense? I played the game, enjoyed it. Initial ending made it drop a point but it's still 8 out of 10.

 

Let me know if you agree or not. I just feel these ppl need to get a life, they were probably the same guys appearing on every DAi promotion saying Da2(A more legit fail by Bioware) ruined any chance of them buying DAi.

[Vazgen]

There are some people here who will disagree with you

Personally, I played with EC already installed and enjoyed the game thoroughly. In fact, I still play it (the singleplayer aspect). 

I don't think it's an indication of not playing the game, more like being overly attached to the characters.

[Guanxii]

Titanic was a great cruise up until the last hour or so. Nobody ever brings up the fantastic catering arrangements or that spectacular after dinner show for some reason. 

 

The ending was and still is so wretchedly botched, so hilariously appallingly badly written and executed that it became internet meme-gold. It's synonymous now with the words 'Mass Effect' and it's all anyone can think or talk about when discussing the series. You can't blame casual observers who laughed along at that ending and our angry betrayed tears for making the entirely rational decision that the series is crap and isn't worth the time and monetary investment if *this* is the pay-off. You can't just alienate your entire customer base and carry on as if nothing has happened. The series has been retro and future-actively tarnished by their 'artistic vision' & inept PR apparatus to an extent that I don't think BioWare or EA quite realise yet and it may take several games to win back the consumer trust of their target audience and even former customers, if ever.

 

What sucks most isn't just that the endings were universally panned or the sneering condescension that rained down from on high it was the utter futility in giving us these three more ultimately pointless & absolutely horrendous choices (without a hint of irony) that won't ultimately matter when they effectively make destroy canon anyway by inadvertently hitting the reset button as if nothing in the entire series ever mattered in reaction to the reaction to their own poor choices.

[Winterking]

While I agree that ME3 is a great game despite the horrible ending I can understand the frustations of those who played ME3 as it came out.

 

I played the trilogy back to back for the first time last year and I did with the major DLC's (Extended Cut, From Ashes, Omega, Leviathan and Citadel). I had also heard about the ending controversy so I wasn't taken by surprise at how bad it was.

 

I haven't played the game without these so I imagine for people who were waiting for this title to be released back in 2012, playing the vanilla game was probably a major disappointment. After Priority Thessia, the game can't reach the heights of Priority Tuchanka or Rannoch. 

 

And the Ending without the EC, while I never played it, the amount of rage that came after the original ending is probably well deserved.

 

[Rasande]

People aren't always rational, especially not when strong emotions are involved. But i guess if the last 10min made you unable to play the previous 100+ hours again you'd haveto be really emotionally invested in your Shepard or the fantasy it lets you live out. Or something, maby some people care more about the goal than the journy? I'm the opposite so i still have fun playing through the trilogy, but what the hell do i know. I think they're abit nuts(no offense)

 

But i sympathise to a point, while trying my best to avoid spoilers while playing i saw someone post something about Shepard beeing indoctrinated and assumed that was the ending. Before that i thought that people were just upset beacuse Shepard dies and never really had a problem with that, but when i heard about the indoctrination thing i thout "maby she gets indoctrinated at the end and the squad has to kill her!? Or it was all a dream" or some other kind of bullshit and as a result i didn't feel like playing for abit. But then i thought, even if the ending is that horrible i still wanto enjoy the rest of the game.

 

Though honestly, i don't think the ending was that  bad.. i played through it with all DLC and was acually prepared for way worse. If the acually ending was like the MHEM i'd probably be abit miffed. No disrespect to the people who worked hard in their spare time on it, but that ending made me wanto gag.

There are many reason to be unhappy with the ending but if your main problem is that Shepard dies i think you're beeing abit of a baby.

[Lee T]

That's one huge overgeneralization here.

I didn't like ME3 ending. And yes, in a way it did ruin the whole trilogy for me.

How can I say that? well it's easy. Since finishing the game I have yet to play it a second time (usually the first thing I do the first time I beat a Bioware game) and I have yet to replay any of the Mass Effect games. I did play ME1 and ME2, 5 maybe 6 times (I played at least once every class except soldier that I didn't play) before ME3 put an end to the streak.

Why? because the end of the journey is as important as the journey for some people, me included. Every time I think about creating a new character the ME3 ending comes to mind and a big "What's the point if it all comes down to this" rears it's ugly head.

That being said I consider ME4 a clean slate so to speak. It's a new story, a new beginning, so I believe they can pull it out. I'm not sure about it but I see no reason to call DOOM right now.

NB : my problem with the ending has nothing to do with it's bleakness and the possibility of Shepard dying, or the lack of closure, etc... my only problem with the ending is that to me it feels disconnected to the whole story as if the chapter from another book had been swapped for this one.

[Ajensis]

 I just feel these ppl need to get a life, they were probably the same guys appearing on every DAi promotion saying Da2(A more legit fail by Bioware) ruined any chance of them buying DAi.

 

"Need to get a life" seems needlessly strong for someone having a different opinion. Because that's all it boils down to, a difference in opinion. Just like you deem DA2 a "more legit fail" - that's a personal perspective, not an objective truth. Someone will disagree and that's fine - would be boring if we all agreed on everything. But it's not very productive to call out people who felt ME3 was a huge letdown like that. Just accept that people had different experiences of the game as a whole. Most of the people who voiced discontent with ME3 weren't just saying the ending sucked - sure, it was the main focus of most people's critique, but there were several other points, e.g. the introduction, auto-dialogue, ME2 squadmates, rewriting of Geth, etc.

 

I still enjoy the game, but I can understand if some of its issues actively prevent others from having fun. And that's completely fine. At least we can discuss why this is and speculate on what would make a better Mass Effect experience, or even how to define what that is in the first place. But this thread doesn't encourage any interesting discussion, it's just about others' opinions looking senseless in your eyes. I'm not sure what that's supposed to accomplish, honestly.

[RVallant]

Here's a trick;

 

If someone complains about the ending ask them this;

 

What are the Reapers?

 

If they answer, 'machines' or bring up starchild's "lolol to save organics we make machines to kill organics to save them!"

 

Then you know for certain they didn't pay attention to the story at all throughout the game (lore and plot).

 

If they say anything such as;

 

"But the ending forces people to change against their will!" or "Starchild's logic is flawed!!!!" 

 

They've completely missed the point of the ending (i.e. It's meant to be flawed logic, it's an artificial intelligence operating in absolutes, it does not factor in organic desires, wants or morality.)

 

 

I've no issue with people disliking the ending, but it's startling how many people don't (and still don't) comprehend the ending or understand the plot elements and lore that leads into and affects the way the ending pans out. In fact, those who say it boils down to 'pick a colour' do the intricacies of the ending a disservice, but then it's usually not worth listening to those people's opinions on the matter as they have no interest in using their heads.

[jstme]

Ending was bad, and one of the main reasons it was bad is already mentione here,it is this:

 

 it's startling how many people don't (and still don't) comprehend the ending or understand the plot elements and lore that leads into and affects the way the ending pans out. 

Writing an ending that is so out of connection with so many people who are roleplaying story driven trilogy is a bad writing. Ending that does not connect with so many people is a bad ending. Regardless of ideas writers tried to express. 

And there were other reasons ending was bad. Like how it discarded your squad,or how it was unnaturally presented results of RGB waves to make them all appealing while disregarding the lore and ctr and ctr.

As a side note -OP, your advice about getting a life while raging about opinions of people who own nothing to you is pretty strange. Cant figure out if it is 10/10 trolling or genuine hypocricy.   

[Tonymac]

I thought that the ending was the worst I have ever seen in any game - bar none.  In fact, had it not been for the MP aspect of the game, I would rate ME3 at a 0/10, or even possibly a negative number.  I paid for a game that I was only able to play once.

 

Mac Walters and Casey Hudson wrote the ending(s).  As of now, one of them has been fired (sort of) - and sadly did not take the other one with him.  With Mac around, I am sure he will find a way to poison the games with his ineptitude and pathetic self defeatist attitude.  He and Casey made sure that the endings sucked, and then rubbed it in with "Artistic Integrity" - the same abbreviation as the "AI" we fought in most of the games.

 

If the writers are that out of touch with the worlds they create, the stories they write, and the characters that they make - then they should be fired.  Plain and simple.  Players ARE Commander Shepard from the very beginning of ME1 all the way through to Marauder Shields.  Yet two bozos forgot that simple fact, and flipped off the fans and players.  There is no spoon, and there is no win.  Choose the color of the beam that kills you, and forever destroy all of the wonderfulness of the MEU with their contrived Divergence.  

 

As of now, my hope is that BioWare will learn from the lessons of ME3.  Replayability should be taken into consideration, as well as the polish on the game.  BioWare is really good at writing characters and creating worlds for us to play in - to live in.  If they can stick with their strong points and work on building the fun back into the game then it will be a success.  

[goishen]

There are some people here who will disagree with you

Personally, I played with EC already installed and enjoyed the game thoroughly. In fact, I still play it (the singleplayer aspect). 

I don't think it's an indication of not playing the game, more like being overly attached to the characters.A

 

And grief at seeing them go.

[Andrew Lucas]

I like the ending. I mean - it's fine, but the "Lots Of Speculation" is just... In the final chapter of Shepard's story? Really? No. Please no. That's it. The whole game is an embodiment of epicness, though.

[Display Name Owner]

The EC made it much better for me. However, the main issues I've got with ME3 all relate to plot elements well before the ending.

[Iakus]

The endings should be held up as a cautionary tasle on how not to end an epic journey

[God]

The endings should be held up as a cautionary tasle on how not to end an epic journey

 

I utterly disagree completely.

 

There's really no measure on how to end an epic. Nor do they need to be constrained to what you think they should be.

[Iakus]

Fortunately, I didn't say how it should end.  Just that it's an example on how it shouldn't.

 

Or or I should add, it's an example of an ending that should be avoidable.

[themikefest]

Had the game been given more time, its possible the ending and other parts might be different. Unfortunately that time has come and gone.  But whatever. I still play the game

[PCThug]

I didn't like the ending the first time I played. But it didn't in any way ruin or taint the enjoyment I got from the series and as time passes, I'm finding that the ending bothers me less and less.

[RoboticWater]

Actually, many including myself believe that ME3 has many more problems than just the ending. The ending was merely a horribly illogical and undeniably rushed cherry on top of an already inconsistent, simple, and perfunctory narrative. We just bring up the ending because it's a nice singular section to critique. While I consider outright refusal to buy ME4 without seeing any gameplay to be jumping the gun, I can fully understand people's hesitation towards a sequel.

 

I'm worried that Mac Walters isn't a very competent creative lead. Most, if not all my problems with ME3's narrative had to do with the main plot and how it linked with the sub-plots (Rannoch, Tuchanka, etc.). It's the job of the Lead Writer to direct the main arc and ensure that the work of his subordinates meshes together well. IMO, Mr. Walters basically failed his job, leaving ME3 with incoherent scenes and generally poor pacing. He's also partly behind the ending, so I don't think very highly of his creative direction.

 

Then of course, there's the simple problem of where the series is going to go. The way ME3 ended, we have 3 completely distinct world states, 1 of which people hate with a burning passion. Either BioWare have to completely avoid the ending and by extension, the universe we know and love or they have to factor in that choice. IMO, factoring in that choice is guaranteed to anger some people.

 

My point is, don't dismiss those who just hate the ending, there might be more than emotion behind that opinion. More importantly, don't worry about them. How others spend their money is not your concern.

[NM_Che56]

it's an echo chamber at this point.  Kind of like "It's not GNR without Slash".  Tiresome.

[daselk]

Signs someone didn't play MA3

Not knowing what it is actually called?

 

ME3 however has a pitiful ending. I was expecting something akin to ME2 suicide mission, making decisions about how to use all the war assets i collected, ordering my companions about (seeing what happens to them) and getting some idea of how some of my major choices impacted the galaxy. 

 

I still love the majority of ME3, i just stop now at Priority Earth to avoid the disappointment. 

[IamOuterRate]

Not knowing what it is actually called?

 

ME3 however has a pitiful ending. I was expecting something akin to ME2 suicide mission, making decisions about how to use all the war assets i collected, ordering my companions about (seeing what happens to them) and getting some idea of how some of my major choices impacted the galaxy. 

 

I still love the majority of ME3, i just stop now at Priority Earth to avoid the disappointment. 

I realized that but somehow it does not let me fix it.

[IamOuterRate]

So what you all are saying is, the ending actually ruined not only ME3 but the whole series? I sense BS.

[katamuro]

Well I liked ME1-3, right up until the ending, yes, the ending was bad and it made the whole series worse for it but it still does not make the games any less favourite in my eyes. I loved those games, I loved the world they built and I loved the characters(mostly). Playing ME3 all the way through is like eating a cake laced with laxatives. Tasty, but with a messy finish.

[IamOuterRate]

"Need to get a life" seems needlessly strong for someone having a different opinion. Because that's all it boils down to, a difference in opinion. Just like you deem DA2 a "more legit fail" - that's a personal perspective, not an objective truth. Someone will disagree and that's fine - would be boring if we all agreed on everything. But it's not very productive to call out people who felt ME3 was a huge letdown like that. Just accept that people had different experiences of the game as a whole. Most of the people who voiced discontent with ME3 weren't just saying the ending sucked - sure, it was the main focus of most people's critique, but there were several other points, e.g. the introduction, auto-dialogue, ME2 squadmates, rewriting of Geth, etc.

 

I still enjoy the game, but I can understand if some of its issues actively prevent others from having fun. And that's completely fine. At least we can discuss why this is and speculate on what would make a better Mass Effect experience, or even how to define what that is in the first place. But this thread doesn't encourage any interesting discussion, it's just about others' opinions looking senseless in your eyes. I'm not sure what that's supposed to accomplish, honestly.

Actually Da2 IS a more legit fail. That's not a opinion. Where people bash ME3 ending, ppl bash Da2 as a whole, they literally ****** on the CD before burning it. ME3 wasn't a let down, its ending was, get it? 

 

Never seen anyone complain about intro, auto dialogue etc. It's either ending or  just the ending.  

 

And you're obviously one of those I'm talking about.