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[Tali 25651]

[LightningPoodle]

Okay.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not rly only similarity i can find they both want free their people and that is about it.

[Chari]

Yeah. I think that if the Architect survives his death in DA:A he also becomes like Legion 1.5 from ME3 X) That would be logical imo

My baes, my precious baes

[Sir DeLoria]

Yes, they both need to be killed.

[Farangbaa]

Time for a Geth vs Quarian debate on the DA:I forums already?

Oh dear.

[Tali 25651]

 Do we really want to kill each other forever?

[leaguer of one]

Nope.

[leaguer of one]

 Do we really want to kill each other forever?

Dark spawn by their very being infect and destroy others. They kill things by just being. Co-existing with them is like trying to co-exist with small pocks. At the very best we can do is use them the end the blight and finish the rest of them off.

[leaguer of one]

Wouldn't this be better in the DA:O Awakening thread, since the Architect didn't even appear in Inquisition?

Correction... He did not appear yet. He may show up later.

[thesuperdarkone2]

And then it turns out him dying winds up preventing you from getting the best option like in ME3. What would happen then?

[Steelcan]

And then it turns out him dying winds up preventing you from getting the best option like in ME3. What would happen then?

what do you mean?

 

Killing synthetics who allied with the Reapers, getting a massive fleet, and no issues with blowing the Reapers to the deepest of the Seven Hells since there's no geth die with them.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I'm sorry, OP, but I couldn't hear you over the sound of dying darkspawn screaming in agony.

 

[BronzTrooper]

I understand what the OP's getting at, but we've yet to see the Architect return, if he will at all.  Don't get why everyone's jumping all over the OP for stating that the roles of the Architect and Legion are similar.  I mean, in ME1, all we know of the geth is that they're working for Sovereign.  That changed in ME2 when we meet Legion who gave us an entirely new perspective on them as a whole.  The Overlord DLC gives us even more insight.

 

Same goes for darkspawn and the Architect.  In DA:O, all we know about the darkspawn is that they're led by the archdemon along with what we learn from Alistair and Riordan, which is still not very much.  In Awakening, we get more insight into the darkspawn due to the Architect and the Mother.

 

How you deal with them is entirely up to you.  You can be close-minded due to past experiences and kill them, or be more open-minded and let them live.  Legion reappears in ME3, but only as a back-up program and if you got rid of him in ME2, so he isn't really Legion.  If the Architect reappears in DA:I, I'd imagine that it would be handled by saying that can body-hop on death.  Would that be because he's like Cory?  Possibly, but I have a feeling that the body-hopping is related to the taint itself and the inherent power (magical, most likely) of the tainted creature.

 

My theory is that the taint can provide or 'awaken' the body-hopping ability in particularly powerful darkspawn like archdemons and Cory.  There's nothing saying that the Old Gods could body-hop (iirc) and Flemeth is the only known human that can body-hop, and that is due to that fact that she is joined to Mythal.  The only known creatures that can body-hop (other than FleMythal) are darkspawn.  I do hope we get to learn more about the taint in the upcoming DLCs or in DA4 because it is an area of lore that has been pretty much ignored.

[NaclynE]

Not really.

 

Legion is/was of many geth but he seeks to be an individual from his own collective. Archtect supposedly was the guy who spawned the first blight and contributed to having the first warden. The only person from Mass Effect that the Archetect would be similar to by technicality is Tali because of how the Quarians created the Geth which started the war. 

[Sifr]

Dark spawn by their very being infect and destroy others. They kill things by just being. Co-existing with them is like trying to co-exist with small pocks. At the very best we can do is use them the end the blight and finish the rest of them off.

 

But continuing the smallpox example to it's logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that it would more beneficial to work with Avernus (who's research delayed the progression of the Taint for centuries) and the Architect (who's research gave darkspawn sentience and allowed ghouls to retain their sanity), in order to develop some kind of vaccine that could immunise people against the Taint?

 

The question I suppose then would be, what to do with the sentient Darkspawn then? I don't really see any reason to not allow them to live in peace, if they wish, as long as they agreed to not create broodmothers? Their biological immortality means they could have a long life and never die except via accidents, misadventure or murder, so while their numbers would eventually dwindle, it's not like they really have any biological need to propagate their species anyway?

 

Yeah it'd be a risk and wherever they ended up living would probably have to be declared a quarantine zone, but it's better than the current state of affairs, where they are mindless monsters who attack everything on sight?

[TheKomandorShepard]

But continuing the smallpox example to it's logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that it would more beneficial to work with Avernus (who's research delayed the progression of the Taint for centuries) and the Architect (who's research gave darkspawn sentience and allowed ghouls to retain their sanity), in order to develop some kind of vaccine that could immunise people against the Taint?

 

The question I suppose then would be, what to do with the sentient Darkspawn then? I don't really see any reason to not allow them to live in peace, if they wish, as long as they agreed to not create broodmothers? Their biological immortality means they could have a long life and never die except via accidents, misadventure or murder, so while their numbers would eventually dwindle, it's not like they really have any biological need to propagate their species anyway?

 

Yeah it'd be a risk and wherever they ended up living would probably have to be declared a quarantine zone, but it's better than the current state of affairs, where they are mindless monsters who attack everything on sight?

LoL i don't even know where to begin here.

 

First architect is nuts scientist (well mage one of many) without any brakes that in fact not only is responsible creation of darkspawn and blights but also for fifith blight and darkspawn civil war he also wanted kill 90 % of human kind to get what he wanted if you don't start see why he is bad for human kind (as well any other than darkspawn) you may have problem.Then we go into that awakened darkspawn often showed madness and complete ruthlessness combined with intelligence.Somehow i can't see them not expanding own race and forces with only reason hedling them back being that they are nice guys add to that pretty much coexistence is impossible as simple darkspawn are toxic for all races.
  
  

[raging_monkey]

But continuing the smallpox example to it's logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that it would more beneficial to work with Avernus (who's research delayed the progression of the Taint for centuries) and the Architect (who's research gave darkspawn sentience and allowed ghouls to retain their sanity), in order to develop some kind of vaccine that could immunise people against the Taint?
 
The question I suppose then would be, what to do with the sentient Darkspawn then? I don't really see any reason to not allow them to live in peace, if they wish, as long as they agreed to not create broodmothers? Their biological immortality means they could have a long life and never die except via accidents, misadventure or murder, so while their numbers would eventually dwindle, it's not like they really have any biological need to propagate their species anyway?
 
Yeah it'd be a risk and wherever they ended up living would probably have to be declared a quarantine zone, but it's better than the current state of affairs, where they are mindless monsters who attack everything on sight?

thats my reasoning sparing them both

[leaguer of one]

But continuing the smallpox example to it's logical conclusion, wouldn't that mean that it would more beneficial to work with Avernus (who's research delayed the progression of the Taint for centuries) and the Architect (who's research gave darkspawn sentience and allowed ghouls to retain their sanity), in order to develop some kind of vaccine that could immunise people against the Taint?

 

The question I suppose then would be, what to do with the sentient Darkspawn then? I don't really see any reason to not allow them to live in peace, if they wish, as long as they agreed to not create broodmothers? Their biological immortality means they could have a long life and never die except via accidents, misadventure or murder, so while their numbers would eventually dwindle, it's not like they really have any biological need to propagate their species anyway?

 

Yeah it'd be a risk and wherever they ended up living would probably have to be declared a quarantine zone, but it's better than the current state of affairs, where they are mindless monsters who attack everything on sight?

That's the thing. Not all intelligent dark spawn what to be peaceful. What if a few secretly build an army?

[leaguer of one]

LoL i don't even know where to begin here.

 

First architect is nuts scientist (well mage one of many) without any brakes that in fact not only is responsible creation of darkspawn and blights but also for fifith blight and darkspawn civil war he also wanted kill 90 % of human kind to get what he wanted if you don't start see why he is bad for human kind (as well any other than darkspawn) you may have problem.Then we go into that awakened darkspawn often showed madness and complete ruthlessness combined with intelligence.Somehow i can't see them not expanding own race and forces with only reason hedling them back being that they are nice guys add to that pretty much coexistence is impossible as simple darkspawn are toxic for all races.
  
  

He's not responsible for the blights and darkspawn and He made a mistake trying to end the blights with the fifth blights.

[TheKomandorShepard]

He's not responsible for the blights and darkspawn and He made a mistake trying to end the blights with the fifth blights.

Yes he is he shares it with corry and another power hungry magisters it doesn't matter his actions not only created darkspawn before but also lead to fifith blight and darkspawn civil war and that without going into his doings and goals in The Calling.Architect is just yet another dangerous lunatic mage that don't care if he will blow up world in process.

[Panda]

I like this comparison. Both are within my fav characters in their series. I think both introduce complexity and depth to their "races" that are seen simply monsterous before.

[Sifr]

 

First architect is nuts scientist (well mage one of many) without any brakes that in fact not only is responsible creation of darkspawn and blights but also for fifith blight and darkspawn civil war he also wanted kill 90 % of human kind to get what he wanted if you don't start see why he is bad for human kind (as well any other than darkspawn) you may have problem.Then we go into that awakened darkspawn often showed madness and complete ruthlessness combined with intelligence.Somehow i can't see them not expanding own race and forces with only reason hedling them back being that they are nice guys add to that pretty much coexistence is impossible as simple darkspawn are toxic for all races.

 

Except that the Architect isn't insane, he's a perfectly rational being who's willing to use logic and reason to make a decision, as well as demonstrate a degree of compassion to his brethren and a desire to help them? The problem is that because he's now inhuman, he has a problem with understanding human morality and so doesn't see the harm he inadvertenly causes trying to solve a problem?

 

While I might be wrong, the implication that he's one of the Seven and reveal that they took pseudonyms based on their role in the ritual, makes me think that as the Architect, he was the brains behind the attempt to punch a hole into the Fade. This does not necessarily mean he was a bad guy, he could easily have done so for intellectual reasons, since walking in the Fade physically is seen as something most mages only dream of achieving? He could easily have been the Mordin of the Seven, the guy who was less concerned with the moral concerns of the experiment as much as the challenge of doing something impossible in the name of science?!

 

Sure, he did plan to infect most of Thedas with the Blight, but his intention was not malice but to try and make it so that darkspawn could exist alongside Thedas without conflict? And logically, if everyone was Tainted it would solve that problem. However, when he realised that it was not the best solution and it would cause more problems that it solved, he abandoned the idea entirely and sought another one?

 

Likewise, you can't fault him for wanting to try to and end the Blights by attempting to Awaken the Archdemon, which might free the other Darkspawn from the Call entirely? The only problem is that it either failed to work or that Urthemiel was accidentally corrupted before it could be attempted?

 

I personally see the Architect as being no different from the Wardens, since they both do morally sketchy things, including employing blood magic and the manipulation of the Taint to help them try and end the Blights once and for all? They are essentially two sides of the same coin.

 

While you're right that the Awakened 'Spawn can be dangerous, it could be that it's due to whomever made them? For the most part, the Architect's Disciples and the Ghouls allied with him seem to be more rational, whereas the Mother's are more bloodthirsty and crazy? The only exception seems to be the Withered, who to be fair, didn't fully understand the order he was given and assumed that "acquire the Warden's help at Vigil's Keep" meant to do so by force. Plus it could be argued he was technically acting in self-defence of his troops, since no doubt the Wardens stationed there would have opened fire on them immediately, even if he had attempted to parley with them?

 

As for the Mother and her troops being insane, I'd say that any Broodmother that was Awakened would be dangerous, since they were once regular people subjected to body horror and becoming self-aware and remembering who they were, obviously would send them round the bend? Adding to their being darkspawn baby factories, it'd follow that their offspring would probably be sentient and might inherit some of that insanity?

 

The Architect might make horrible mistakes, but at least he does learn not to repeat them  (unlike Anders or Solas) and attempts to correct those mistakes before attempting anything again? Allying with him at least would keep him in check and have the Wardens on hand to provide some kind of oversight and rein him in if he ever goes too far again?

 

As you said, the Darkspawn are walking Wastelands, but that perhaps could be curtailed if a cure was found, since it could be used on them as well? If the Darkspawn didn't infect anyone else, then theoretically, they could be safe to interact with? And it's not like such things aren't out of the realms of possibility, since the Wardens carry the Taint and aren't infectious until the onset of the Calling?

 

Like I said, it's a heck of a gamble and a major risk to take to ally with him, but it does offer some benefits or another set of options?