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[Bad King]

In all seriousness, the boons were pretty much discarded as if they never happened, that's the sad reality of them. You could say that the magi boon just didn't work out, but the dalish one would need an invasion to re-take the lands given to Dalish - and frankly those don't seem like lands worth fighting over. According to the slides one would expect that the "dalish country" exists, trying to somewhat organize itself and forge some proper diplomatic relations with human lands (Ferelden mostly), in no small part thanks to efforts of Keeper Lanaya.

But there is just no place for that in DA:I and the Dragon Age Keep doesn't even acknowledge the possibility of any boon being granted, if I recall correctly.

 

Regardless, even if we ignore the boons, it's still unlikely that Ferelden's monarchy would prioritise the repayment of personal debts for service over pragmatism. Maric for instance was a highly idealistic man who believed in equality for all races, and yet even after the large contribution made by elves in the civil war (see Loghain's Night Elves), Denerim's Alienage remained dilapidated during his reign simply because the system of this feudal society was so difficult to change without causing enormous strife.

[X Equestris]

How many mages are their we never get an exact number?

Fiona mentions hundreds. Of course, they've lost people, either to the fanatics in the hills or just getting to Redcliffe in the first place.

[thats1evildude]

Alistair was always soft on the robes.

[Raiil]

Well, you can view it from a number of angles.

 

Out of all the potential rulers, only one MIGHT be hyper religious, and that's a Cousland. Alistair is at best apathetic towards the Chantry as an organisation and has a documented interest in the arcane. Anora is never comes off as overly religious either.

 

From a military standpoint, integrating mages (assuming they can be integrated) into the military, that makes you pretty much the strongest army around. Orlais is going to have a lot of trouble beating that, and rebel mages just might have extra disdain for Orlais due to being the seat of their oppressors.

 

If the mages helped save Ferelden, they'd probably be more popular there too.

[TheKomandorShepard]

As i said i can see only that working if alistair is a king not anora as it was far from pargmatic decision and pretty much did nothing but damage to ferelden.

Only reason anora went with that is devs put mages in ferelden.

[Bad King]

From a military standpoint, integrating mages (assuming they can be integrated) into the military, that makes you pretty much the strongest army around. Orlais is going to have a lot of trouble beating that, and rebel mages just might have extra disdain for Orlais due to being the seat of their oppressors.

 

The templars are a superior military force to the mages as they are better armed/funded, more unified, have advanced military training and magic blocking abilities and are likely greater in number than the several hundred mages in Ferelden (many of whom are children, apprentices, and tranquil who wouldn't be much use in a fight).

[RVallant]

Perhaps it's because during the Blight, mages, Wynne, Morrigan and possibly the HOF saved Ferelden from being overrun by Darkspawn. If Alistair is King, he would have done it in honor of Wynne if for no other reason (they liked one another), but Anora might have seen it as a debt to repay.  After all, if you look at the areas overtaken by the Blight before the HOF kills the archdemon, you can imagine what all of Ferelden would have looked like (Western Approach after a thousand years) if the Blight hadn't been ended so quickly. So, yeah, I can see both Alistair and Anora offering sanctuary to mages in repayment for their help in ending the Blight..

 

 

I was thinking along theselines, iirc if you pick the 'political freedom' ending for Mage Warden the Royalty in Ferelden get smacked down by the chantry no ? It's possible they were happy to go against the chantry wishes and provide a haven for the mages regardless.

 

But then again I thought they were only allowed to stay there for the duration of the covenant? 

[Eliastion]

As i said i can see only that working if alistair is a king not anora as it was far from pargmatic decision and pretty much did nothing but damage to ferelden.

Only reason anora went with that is devs put mages in ferelden.

I can try and make excuses, but the fact is that depending on the world state this decision is so strange. I was playing with mage HoF who sided with mages in the tower and I had Anora ruling with Alistair - so this whole siding with mages seemed acceptable. But with solo Anora, non-mage HoF and the Circle pretty much wiped-out in Origins... "And then the queen decided to bring mage refugees to Ferelden, 'cause why the hell not".

[Ranadiel Marius]

I figure Anora did it because it is good positioning for a multitude of potential next moves. If the Divine makes peace, she gets in good with the Chantry for protecting them. Mages get freedom, mages feel debt to the country for the help. Templars come out on top, she can get rid of the mages and the Templars will be chasing mages rather than harassing her or just turn them over. Move has minimal risk as Templars are at the conference and it would be stupid for the mages to rebel against their only ally.....sadly Fiona was far more stupid than An or a could reasonably expect.

From a military standpoint, integrating mages (assuming they can be integrated) into the military, that makes you pretty much the strongest army around. Orlais is going to have a lot of trouble beating that, and rebel mages just might have extra disdain for Orlais due to being the seat of their oppressors.

Integrating mages only really works as long as the Templars don't join your enemies. Templars join the field and your mages become mostly non-combatents. And the Templars would have reason to join a fight against the mages.

[Emerald Rift]

If Alistair is king, in DA2 when Hawke meets him in Act 3 Meredith is laying into him for protecting mages so it's not completely out of left field. But like other people have said, other world states don't make such sense.

[Riot Inducer]

Integrating mages only really works as long as the Templars don't join your enemies. Templars join the field and your mages become mostly non-combatents. And the Templars would have reason to join a fight against the mages.

 

Just would like to point out that Templars don't automatically trump mages just by being Templars. If such was the case there wouldn't have been a mage rebellion in the first place since no mage could beat them. 

[Ryriena]

I agree they should not have had this in place as plot point since it only makes sense if Alastiar was king. I would have rewritten this quest by saying that the mage army found refuge in Redcliff via Arl Teegan, after, they saved it from an attacking force. Either Ventori or unamed Orlisen force and No time magic involved! I would also have Ventori agents be the attackers once you get the inqusitior at Redcliff and talk with Fiona. I hated the Stupid Ball that was given to most factions in this game to prop up the inquisition.

[Eliastion]

(...) I hated the Stupid Ball that was given to most factions in this game to prop up the inquisition.

To varying degree, admittedly. Others might act dumb at times, but nothing beats Fiona's "alliance" with Tevinter when they were currently located in very defensible position, under protection of friendly kingdom.

[Ryriena]

To varying degree, admittedly. Others might act dumb at times, but nothing beats Fiona's "alliance" with Tevinter when they were currently located in very defensible position, under protection of friendly kingdom.

This was the most glaring part of the plotline that gave the stupid ball too Fiona in this one thing. But yeah my rewrite would get rid of a lot of the stupid balls.

[Bad King]

Just would like to point out that Templars don't automatically trump mages just by being Templars. If such was the case there wouldn't have been a mage rebellion in the first place since no mage could beat them. 

 

The mage rebellion was pretty much voted for out of desperation as the alternative would have been mass executions and tranquility (it was the majority aequitarian vote that led to the rebellion being launched). The rebels depended on having a peace brokered by the Chantry rather than on defeating the templars in the field. It's why Fiona was quick to agree to the conclave and why she agreed to Alexius' demands rather than to attempt to fight the templars: she knew their chances against such a faction were slim. 

[Riot Inducer]

The mage rebellion was pretty much voted for out of desperation as the alternative would have been mass executions and tranquility (it was the majority aequitarian vote that led to the rebellion being launched). The rebels depended on having a peace brokered by the Chantry rather than on defeating the templars in the field. It's why Fiona was quick to agree to the conclave and why she agreed to Alexius' demands rather than to attempt to fight the templars: she knew their chances against such a faction were slim. 

I agree, the mage's didn't really have much hope of military victory but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was contesting the idea that templars would render mages as effective as "non-combatants". Templars have many abilities that give them advantages against mages but not to the point that mages are helpless against them. When it comes down to it templars die from lightning bolts just as easily as any other soldier.  

[TK514]

It is possible this was an 'after the fact' acknolwedgement by the Ferelden monarchy.  Consider that some mages would have reason to flee to Ferelden, either because Kinloch Hold was a relatively new/tame circle, or because of the rumors that Ferelden might not be so anti-mage, or they had family there, or whatever.  So those with good reason to go to Ferelden tell those that have nowhere to go to come with.  What starts as a few scattered groups turns into a general exodus.  Finding each other on the road, they all agree that Kinloch is unacceptable, but that Redcliffe is nice this time of year, so spread the word.

 

In the end, the mages converge on Redcliffe, and start doing what refugees tend to do.  Teagan mulls the problem over for a bit, is good hearted enough not to put starving refugees out into the cold as soon as they show up, and is well liked enough by his own people to convince them that things will, generally, be ok for a little while.  He then sends word to Denerim, and the monarchy, seeing that the mages are already there and would likely be difficult to roust in their growing numbers, extends conditional welcome and designates Redcliffe as the safe zone to keep them from scattering all over the country.

 

Anora agrees to Redcliffe due to its reputation for being the most defensible locale in all of Ferelden.  Perhaps this reputation for difficulty will give the inevitable Templar response pause long enough for her to figure out a diplomatic solution that doesn't involve a third party war on her soverign soil.  Alistair agrees because Teagan asked.

[Carmen_Willow]

I edited this in my original post, but thought I should make a new post for those who had already read my earlier one.

 

It also could have started as a simple refugee effort to return Fereldens home from that crazy Kirkwall. After all, the mages would have been Ferelden subjects too, and if they fled to Kirkwall to escape the blight, and Anora or Alistair offered a return program.... After all, it would be in the best interest of the nation to have warm bodies return to grow crops, engage in trade, etc.   Having offered asylum, and realizing that the mages could be an issue, you have to find a place to put them and someone you trust to oversee them and report back to you-hence Teagan and Redcliffe.

[fhs33721]

Because the potential rulers for Ferelden are either Alistair, who is pro-mage or Anora who never voices a opinion on the issue so it could very well be in the realm of possibilities that she is pro-mage as well. If the Warden is Queen/King of Fereldan s/he isn't around during the war which makes her/his opinon irrelevant.

[SgtSteel91]

It is possible this was an 'after the fact' acknolwedgement by the Ferelden monarchy. Consider that some mages would have reason to flee to Ferelden, either because Kinloch Hold was a relatively new/tame circle, or because of the rumors that Ferelden might not be so anti-mage, or they had family there, or whatever. So those with good reason to go to Ferelden tell those that have nowhere to go to come with. What starts as a few scattered groups turns into a general exodus. Finding each other on the road, they all agree that Kinloch is unacceptable, but that Redcliffe is nice this time of year, so spread the word.

In the end, the mages converge on Redcliffe, and start doing what refugees tend to do. Teagan mulls the problem over for a bit, is good hearted enough not to put starving refugees out into the cold as soon as they show up, and is well liked enough by his own people to convince them that things will, generally, be ok for a little while. He then sends word to Denerim, and the monarchy, seeing that the mages are already there and would likely be difficult to roust in their growing numbers, extends conditional welcome and designates Redcliffe as the safe zone to keep them from scattering all over the country.

Anora agrees to Redcliffe due to its reputation for being the most defensible locale in all of Ferelden. Perhaps this reputation for difficulty will give the inevitable Templar response pause long enough for her to figure out a diplomatic solution that doesn't involve a third party war on her soverign soil. Alistair agrees because Teagan asked.

This makes sense. It could also be why Fiona could have agreed to ally with Alexius; the Monarchy may have tolerated their presence after the fact, but there was the chance they would not protect the Mages or even hand them over to the Templars, especially after the Conclave explosion. Alexius' initial offer seemed to be taking the Mages to Tevinter and working for him until they became full citizens.

This was the reasoning of Arl Wulf, I think his name was, when he helped move the alliance on in the Templar/Chargers exluisve War Table mission. The Mages went to a place that was Mage-positive and Fereldan got peace and stability with the Mages leaving, was his reasoning.

[Maria13]

Is it ever mentioned why Ferelden offers the rebelling mages sanctuary? I don't remember either DA2 or DA:I presenting us with the reasons for this policy. Seems risky to me for a small nation still recovering from a Blight and civil war to help the rebel mages and provoke the ire of one of Thedas' most powerful military factions.

 

Maybe it's partly due to sympathy amongst the Ferelden nobles for anti-establishment rebels (having themselves struggled against the Chantry backed Orlesian Empire in their rebellion), but there have to be other, more practical reasons for the alliance as Anora is portrayed as a very practical and shrewd ruler rather than someone likely to make policies for emotional reasons.

 

Because of Alistair... He felt really guilty about some of the things he saw done to mages when he was training as a templar... Besides, he's Fiona's boy.

[thesuperdarkone2]

To varying degree, admittedly. Others might act dumb at times, but nothing beats Fiona's "alliance" with Tevinter when they were currently located in very defensible position, under protection of friendly kingdom.

I think they only did that so people would have a reason to go with the Templars considering how they were douchebags in previous media. Admit it, if siding with the mages really meant going to Redcliffe and negotiating an alliance with Fiona with no Tevinter anywhere, would anybody side with the Templars?

[Carmen_Willow]

I think they only did that so people would have a reason to go with the Templars considering how they were douchebags in previous media. Admit it, if siding with the mages really meant going to Redcliffe and negotiating an alliance with Fiona with no Tevinter anywhere, would anybody side with the Templars?

I would, depending on my OP. The Templars are a cohesive fighting force, already trained and armed (I don't know yet that they've been infected with Red Lirium).  The mages are a loose confederation of individuals with magic but no real experience in military strategy, etc. With regard to the breach -- suppressing its strength to match my ability to shut it makes a lot more sense than pouring more magic into it. Tactically, the Templars are the better choice. Politically, they are the better choice. Militarily, they are the better choice. And no, I don't want to stick mages back into a prison called a Circle.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I think they only did that so people would have a reason to go with the Templars considering how they were douchebags in previous media. Admit it, if siding with the mages really meant going to Redcliffe and negotiating an alliance with Fiona with no Tevinter anywhere, would anybody side with the Templars?

 

Yeah, because not all Templars are douchebags just like not all mages are going to resort to the possession of a demon.

 

Also, RP. What is the point of playing the game if you aren't going to try out every avenue at least once.

[Ryriena]

I agreed boom since Cullen proves they weren't all douchebags, I would rewrite the templars quest as well since having their leader accept help from a demon was a big what the heck for me.