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[Valmar]

Spent $10 dollars for the PC copy of ME3 just to play multiplayer again. $10 dollars for an extra 111 hours of enjoyable content that I still play on occasion? Yeah, I'm a real idiot alright.

 

Averaging around 500 hours of MP gametime across two different platforms in a game who's singleplayer only lasts around 50 hours with all the DLC and sidemissions... Yeah, I think the MP was worth it. I don't know maybe if you really loved the story of Mass Effect 3 you can enjoy playing it for that long. I didn't. I've played it a few times but it wasn't nearly as fulfilling as the rest of the trilogy was for me, personally. Though I certainly don't think someone is a silly idiot if they want to play a game they purchased for that long. To each their own I guess. I'll just keep being stupid enjoying multiplayer where I can run around as a shieldless invincible blood thirsty vorcha or tanky headbutting krogan. Hell, I can play as a collector and volus if I want to. Does the SP offer that experience?

 

Also comparing the multiplayer to CoD is what I would call stupid. I never even played CoD and I know better than to compare the two. They're not at all similar. In like, anyway at all. Coincidentally I bet anyone who's played some silver or gold matches in multiplayer could wipe the floor with SP's Insanity mode. I beat the entire trilogy on insanity and used to think that was an accomplishment. After multiplayer I realized how much SP held my hand. Multiplayer is intense and unforgiving. Yet so very satisfying.

 

Hurray for idiocy! I'm going to krogan charge a phantom so hard she literally goes flying off the map. Because that never gets old. HURAAAAAHAHAHA. FOR TUCHUNKA!

[SNascimento]

Well, that was obvious. Actually, ME3's multiplayer was obvious as soon as one played ME2. And after ME3 it was clear multiplayer came to say. And that is a good thing if done like ME3' or as creative as games like Dark Souls.

The arguments against it have no weight really. 

[Mordokai]

500 hours? lol

 

There are people with 2000+ hours played. People with multiple manifests, who have maxed one and started another. Me myself, I have 320 or thereabout. Would be much more, but for the last year or so, I only get to play over the weekends. So yeah, 500 is actually pretty tame.

 

I couldn't care less

MP and SP shouldn't be on the same level at least not in a freaking RPG

People can play MP in COD or Battlefied etc. but ME should have stayed a SP only franchise

 

and who on earth buys COD for "story"? lol

 

*raises hand*

 

Or rather, I borrowed it from a friend who bought is, since I considered paying 60 euros for a six hour campaign to be an exorbitant waste of money. Still, I have no interest in CoD MP, but I think the SP portion is pretty damn epic and it's the only part of CoD worth playing.

 

On a side note, I just love it how focused you are on the whole "MEMP is basically CoD in different pants" thing, where multiple people have told you that that is fact not the case and that two games are entirely different and how willingly you ignore everything that disagrees with your preconceived notion of the game itself.

 

I also find it interesting and amusing that the multiplayer part of the forum is still very much alive and kicking, but in the single player part, all there is to be had are rehashed debates over the ending and repetition of the same topics over and over again. Or debating about the MENext. Sensing a pattern?

[KrrKs]

so what are you saying?

of course MP forums stay active people still play it its never ending basically

the story in the SP though ends and after a while everything has been discussed (be it the ending or other parts of the game) so of cousre its rehashed

Do you see it!?

Would anyone (still // in the first place) play it, if it really were so pointless?

[RatThing]

That the quality of SP will be diminished because of MP is not a logical progression. If I remember correctly the MP part of ME3 had its own development team. The additional manpower was probably financed by selling those battle packs, so there's no need to relocate resources. MP is definitely no excuse if the story part sucks.  

 

If the COD developers think the story is unimportant, that's their business. I certainly don't see why I should pay good money for a new title every year when the multiplayer experience doesn't really change that much and the singleplayer isn`t worth the money. That being said, the SP of black ops 2 was worth the money and the time, plus they keep hiring high profile actors like Kevin Spacey for the story part, so it can't be that unimportant.

 

And I agree with people who say that playing the MP of ME3 is different than playing the usual FPS-Games (at least I don't own a game with a similar MP-Experience). I also spent hours playing it (even if it's probably not over 500), it was great fun and I don`t think playing another game online would be a substitute for it. It's a different gameplay experience. So I certainly will not complain that I got more for my money than before. If they want to include MP in the next game, they have my blessings. Makes it more likely that I buy it.    

[Massa FX]

I only played MP in ME3 when it was required to reach high EMS and haven't touched it since. I don't mind having the MP component as long as it's not tied to the SP experience. 

 

I'm not a MP person, but I understand that a lot of people enjoy that type of gaming.

[Valmar]

500 hours? lol

oh Mass Effect what have you become where people like MP more than SP

 

its supposed to be an RPG damm it the fact that its more enjoyable for so many people than SP (as rushed and flawed as the main campaign is MP is still worse for me but I can completely understand that sentiment) shows where the Bioware teams priorities lie

 

a god damm shame if you ask me and I don't buy it for one second that MP didn't affect ME3

Why can't Singleplayer games just stay SP games?

 

 

You're a very bitter and judgmental individual considering Mass Effect is supposed to be rated M for Mature. Please don't use my enjoyment of MP as your ammunition to **** on the SP, thanks. I actually DID enjoy the game. I just don't get a lot of enjoyment from replaying the same game over and over. Some do and thats fine but for me even if it had the greatest story in the universe I would get tired of watching it over and over again. Me enjoying MP isn't a fault of the SP story, its just that MP is more fun to play from a gameplay perspective for me personally. SP is a story you play through. MP is just a game you sit down and play for 20 minutes. I don't have to run around or talk to people, I can just sit down and play whenever I'm in the mood.

 

As for the "Bioware teams priorities lie" one team, in a different building in a different part of the country, was dedicated to the SP content. The other was MP. The SP team placed priority on SP. The MP team put priority on MP. If you sincerely believe MP has more content than the SP then you're blind in your contempt for the game. MP just has more replay value because you can pick it up and play at any time. Hours played does not equate content.

 

Infact if you get the Citadel DLC content you'll essentially have a gimped version of the multiplayer made into singleplayer form with Armax Arsenal Arena.

 

 

I couldn't care less

MP and SP shouldn't be on the same level at least not in a freaking RPG

People can play MP in COD or Battlefied etc. but ME should have stayed a SP only franchise

 

and who on earth buys COD for "story"? lol

 

This is not the first time you equated COD to Mass Effect. I find this insulting. They are not the same thing no matter how much you WANT them to be the same. If you love COD so much go play COD. This is Mass Effect. Its nothing like COD and never was.

 

Despite what you want to believe due to your apparent adoration for COD, it does not own a monopoly on online games. A game can have MP without being COD. MP has been around a lot longer than your COD. Like, a lot longer.

 

If anything Mass Effect should do more with the MP aspect. Like playing through the singleplayer with your friends taking the role of your squadmates. You already have two squadmembers with you at ever point and time. I bet even a CALL OF DUTY MANLY RAWR player can play more effectively than the current AI that loves getting themselves killed.

 

Mass Effect is a single player game but has NEVER been about a single character. The only time you take missions as ONLY Shepard is in like two or three DLCs. The game has already have a squad-focus in the combat. Which makes it all the stranger that it never did release a SP-centric co-op, imo. Until then I'll have to live out my fantasies of being Garrus, Tali, Grunt, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Samara, etc by playing MP where I'm not stuck to being a human character running around with bland abilities without anything different.

 

Furthermore, whats it to you what I spend my $10 dollars on? $10 dollars for over a hundred hours of fun gameplay in a universe I love seems like a pretty sweet deal to me. Though maybe $10 carries more significance to you than it does to me. Where I live $10 dollars barely covers the gas it would take to go grab a hamburger. Considering I've never spent money on the ingame items, I'd say I've really milked the MP for whats it worth. $10 dollars well spent in my book.

 

Finally, I'm interested in playing COD sometime and its specifically because of the story and its big-name actors. I have no interest in the multiplayer and never had. Us "story guys" do exist. Bit ironic though of you don't you think? All your talk about how bad MP is and how SP is all that matters then you discredit people who actually prefer playing games (like COD) just for the SP. I thought only the SP mattered, why can't someone play COD for the story?

 

I also find it interesting and amusing that the multiplayer part of the forum is still very much alive and kicking, but in the single player part, all there is to be had are rehashed debates over the ending and repetition of the same topics over and over again. Or debating about the MENext. Sensing a pattern?

 

Back when the game first released I only hanged out in the MP section simply because of that. The story board was filled with nothing but IT and people crying and hating. MP guys just want to have fun - other than the odd rage over a balance change now and then. Lol. Acolyte nooooo! I remember when the Typhoon was a god. Those were good days.

 

Okay, I take that back, there was some whining in MP back in the day... with Firebase White Farming. But that was a long time ago.

 

 

 

I don't see whats so interesting about it its just logical I find your post rather amusing lol not sure what you were trying to accomplish
 

 

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! You said the magic word! Congratulations on your Pretentious Member Award. You're part of a elite group now. Stand high and tall with pride on that prestigious pedestal of importance.

 

 

Do you see it!?

Would anyone (still // in the first place) play it, if it really were so pointless?

 

They're stupid and illogical. It's so sad.

 

Why can't everyone enjoy the game the way its MEANT to be enjoyed? Like me? Don't they know how stupid and illogical they are? Its amusing. What fools.

[Valmar]

lol calm down jeez

 

I am calm. I'm wasn't the one judging people and calling them stupid illogical idiots for not agreeing with my opinions.

 

ME co-op? seriously?

 

Why not? They're not under your direct control anyway and are always there with you in combat. Maybe then the game wouldn't have to put all gameplay focus in making Shepard OP because with actual players instead of crappy AI the squadmates might actually be useful rather than piggybacking off the God Shepard. I always felt like I was doing all the work and the squadmates were for distraction. This coming from someone who made extensive use of squadpowers and beat the trilogy on insanity a few times.

 

I would like the opportunity to play as my squadmates (like DA) that would be awesome but co-op? hell no

at least let the SP be

 

If there was co-op singleplayer like I describe then there would be no reason why you couldn't play as the squadmates yourself. No one is forcing you to use the online component. If you're so against letting friends play with you then just don't invite them. Inviting them into your game will probably be a headache anyway just like with ME3 MP so it isn't like you're going to hurt yourself struggling not to invite someone.

 

Though since you like that idea its awesome but anyone getting co-op that doesn't effect you but they'd like? That's a hell no. Screw those guys, they need to learn to like what you like. Idiots. Its either something you'd like yourself or GTFO. Thank you speaking for the gaming community as a whole, you brave, brave man.

 

 

And of course only the SP matters to me but I mean a good SP not like COD or Battlefield

it has always a **** and short story (apart from maybe the first black ops which was at least bearable)

Buying COD for that would be silly because not even the developers give to shits about it (big name actors like Kevin Spacey are only there for marketing and hype) 

 

Mmm, yes, tell me more about how your subjective opinion is objective fact and everyone else is stupid, silly illogical idiots. Let the troll flow through you.

 

You're quite obnoxious. That's my opinion. You're not stupid for disagreeing with me. Though I do think you are as that is the impression you've given me, personally. Funny how opinions work, isn't it? It's almost like we all have different views on things that aren't inherently and objectively wrong because they don't fit in the lines of view of someone else. How peculiar.

[Alamar2078]

I'm pretty much on the same page as Massa FX ... I played MP to max out my effective EMS before going into the final stages of ME3.  Saw the ending once, returned the game, and haven't missed either SP or MP.

 

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Now for things that will get disagreement from everyone [at least based on how the thread seems to be going]:

 

-- I bought all of the ME games for the SP experience ONLY

-- I had more fun with the MP in ME3

-- It IS a darned shame that MP was more enjoyable / sustainable  than SP [from my perspective]

-- I hate micro-transactions so while MP was more fun it still left a bad taste in my mouth

-- If done really well I would enjoy COOP even in what otherwise is an inherently SP experience

[Iakus]

I played MP only to get my EMS up.  After EC, I dropped MP and never went back.  Didn't miss it at all.   I don't play narrative-heavy rpgs just to mow down waves of monsters.

 

I will never again trust any MP that's connected in any way to SP.  I will never trust that such a MP is "optional"

 

And yes, the fact that the MP seems to get more praise than the single player is both sad and telling.

[Mathias]

On one hand, yeah I agree with the whole diverting resources from Singleplayer part. On the other hand, ME3's MP was awesome. Arguably a more satisfying and pleasant experience than the Singleplayer campaign. Not to mention my expectations for story in the Mass Effect franchise is very low at this point. Yea yea ending and all that, but it's also because Shepard's story was THE story of Mass Effect. Given the things Casey Hudson was saying in 2012, they really had no plan to move the series forward with a sequel or anything like that. I'm sure they may have played around with ideas, but I highly doubt they had a true vision of what would come next.

 

I could be wrong, maybe the new team will treat ME4 like it's baby and put in their 100% effort to try and create a story that would top the previous one. But right now I have a feeling that Bioware's secret weapon is this new IP they're working on.

[wolfhowwl]

lol calm down jeez

and damm you have some TERRIBLE ideas

ME co-op? seriously?

 

I would like the opportunity to play as my squadmates (like DA) that would be awesome but co-op? hell no

at least let the SP be

 

And of course only the SP matters to me but I mean a good SP not like COD or Battlefield

it has always a **** and short story (apart from maybe the first black ops which was at least bearable)

Buying COD for that would be silly because not even the developers give to shits about it (big name actors like Kevin Spacey are only there for marketing and hype) 

 

What is so bad about co-op? It's a new game, perhaps it is time to innovate a little.

[Valmar]

wait weren't you the same guy who said that ME3's ending wasn't hated by the majority and that Liara wasn't the most popular romance?

lol there is no discussing stuff with you you are the one who insists on his opinions and won't back down no matter how silly it may be

 

More obnoxious behavior. You're taking my past arguments out of context to prop up your weak position.

 

I said that that the online audience does not equate the entire Mass Effect fanbase and you cannot make such bold claims that "majority of people who played the game hated it". That was YOUR argument, not mine. I didn't say yay or nay, I only said that you cannot possibly know that because the online fanbase is a minority. What the majority of the minority liked or didn't like is not a fair bases to say what the majority of all people who played the game liked.

 

Especially when the statistics show that half of the people never even finished the game or played the entire trilogy. I recited statistics and called for reason. You were always the one who refused to accept anything other than your opinion as being anything less than objective fact that all should accept.

 

I don't recall saying factually that Liara wasn't the most popular romance. I recall pointing out that a lot of fan polls show other squadies as the favorite romance. Don't forget that thanks to ME2 there is a lot of freakin romances and Liara wasn't really one of them. Beyond that since not everyone who played ME2 ever touched ME1 (especially the PS3 gamers) it would be very strange indeed for Liara to be the favorite. I only say that we can't say definitely who the favorite is because the fanbase is very divided on this. It's entirely subjective. Some people prefer Liara, some people like Miranda, some people like Garrus and Thane. Hell, some people even like Jacob and Kaidan.

 

I don't pretend that there is one objective winner out of all them and if I ever said objectively that there was then I'm either being misunderstood or I misspoke. In which case I'd apologize for my absolutist claim and clarify it.

 

I don't insist on my opinions. Only on the evidence my opinions are based upon. If the evidence is wrong then I will concede my erroneous opinion, adapt to the new information, then formulate a new opinion based off the new evidence provided. Many of my opinions have changed over the years in regards to Mass Effect 3 due to this. What would be the point of even discussing these matters if you're so steadfast in never budging your position? Sounds really dull and static to me.

 

Would you rather I just plug my fingers in my ears and go la-la-la? Ending sucked, la la la. Liara Liara Liara, la la la. Miranda Miranda Miranda, la la la. Logical logical logical, la la la.

 

See, we can both take subtle jabs. I'm not beyond your immaturity, much to my discredit.

[Larry-3]

It is not about what team developed what aspect of the game; it is the fact that only so much can be squeezed on a disk, and the fact that they have to stay within budget.

Mass Effect 3 already had many of its RPG components taken away, and singleplayer felt many times smaller. Compared to how much you could do and see in the first two, singleplayer suffered in the third one.

I realize a lot of people on here like multiplayer, but is it really so hard to take a break from online play to be apart of a good story?

I am fine with a co-op component for singleplayer. I do not know how that could be done. But I like the idea. I think it would be great to have another human player to interact in singleplayer conversations and fight next to during ambushes or something.

[Valmar]

It is not about what team developed what aspect of the game; it is the fact that only so much can be squeezed on a disk, and the fact that they have to stay within budget.
 

 

Hopefully the disc issue is less prevalent next time around now that Microsoft has dropped the relic DVD format on its console.

 

I realize a lot of people on here like multiplayer, but is it really so hard to take a break from online play to be apart of a good story?
 

 

Personally I don't even like multiplayer games. ME3 is an exception because its set in a universe I love and has decent combat and variety.

 

That being said, what makes you think those who play or enjoy the MP didn't already take part in the story? Multiplayer was the last thing I touched in ME3. It just happened to be the thing I stuck with the most due to its inherent replay-ability.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

oh Mass Effect what have you become where people like MP more than SP

Noone has said that MP is better than SP. Having a successful MP does not say anything about the SP.

And to answer your question: before ME3, Mass Effect is a great RPG. after ME3, Mass Effect is a great RPG and a great co-op multiplayer game.
 

Why can't Singleplayer games just stay SP games?

you are still paying the same money. Why would you be upset about getting more stuff for your money?

[mybudgee]

 

And yes, the fact that the MP seems to get more praise than the single player is both sad and telling.

Mac Walters 

 

[Lumix19]

Mac Walters 
 

What's with the hate for this guy? I wasn't around when the storm was raging but just from what I've heard people here really don't like this guy. Yet he's still writing for Bioware right?

[GalacticWolf5]

What's with the hate for this guy? I wasn't around when the storm was raging but just from what I've heard people here really don't like this guy. Yet he's still writing for Bioware right?

They needed someone to blame. They chose him.

[Iakus]

What's with the hate for this guy? I wasn't around when the storm was raging but just from what I've heard people here really don't like this guy. Yet he's still writing for Bioware right?

Rumor has it he and Casey Hudson hammered out the ending on their own, behind closed doors and with no peer review.

 

I'm not sure I buy that, but he lost a lot of respect from me with an interview that he did where he seemed to think making a choice-based narrative game is the same as a scripted tv series.

 

 

It’s been 18-19 months since it came out and my thoughts on it are that we addressed it the best we could in the extended cut. We’re obviously not going to be changing anything now. We’re only going forward. But you know what’s interesting? The only view I’ve had on it was, well, I was watching Breaking Bad, and that deals with (spoiler alert) the main character dying. And in no way do I think that anybody was surprised that he died. It was set up, even from the get-go, that this was a character that was going to die. But the interesting difference there is that that’s not a character that people had control of. They didn’t have any say at any point at what would happen to Walter White. Period.

And I think that’s one of the things we really underestimated, which was how much ownership people would take over a character that they could do that. You know, you’ve been given free choice to make all these decisions with this character, with the fates of millions of people, and then, you don’t get to choose your own fate. And I’m not saying that our decision was wrong or right. I think we just underestimated the impact that would have on certain players. To be fair, I get people, especially at the Cons, who will say, “I loved it. It was heart-wrenching, but I felt it was right for my Shepard.” And to me, that’s why it was the right path. But because there was no choice, it was going to be right for some people, and for others, in the middle, and other people were obviously very upset about it. In hindsight, I don’t think there was anything we would have changed about that, but it is a really good lesson learned.

 

Edit:  And now he's the "creative director" for the Mass Effect franchise.  Not sure what that position entails.