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[AlanC9]

My point exactly. Why are customers being used doing (for free) the same work as the '3-4 guys'? Are they short on money to temporarily hire QA to test features?

You're basically advocating "Hey I'll take a buggy game for $60 as long as I can beta test it for you guys." Great, have 100 people do it, just don't expect not to be poked at when you're asking your customers to play QA with your game after they've paid.

I don't follow this. What's the advantage of temp hiring QA staff over a public closed beta? It would be more expensive and slower.

[AlanC9]

For a patch? It is ridiculous. PTR are common but calling it 'beta' and putting NDA. Cosmos.

PTR's that Warcraft thing, right? How do those work? And what do you mean by "cosmos"?

[Lord Surinen]

PTR's that Warcraft thing, right? How do those work? And what do you mean by "cosmos"?

You just download PTR client, log in and test. It is not WoW nor even Blizzard exclusive. Patches are being tested for singleplayer ad multiplayer games. Some of thm are for everybody and some for limited audience, but NDA? This is something new, at least to me. Cosmos(polish expression) =  mind blowing, abstract, ridiculous.

[AlanC9]

I'll take your word for it. I've just never heard "PTR" applied to anything other than WoW. Isn't "realm" a WoW-specific term?

And NDAs are quite common for closed betas. I don't know why you've never heard of that happening.

Anyway, what's the problem with people not being allowed to talk about something that you can't download anyway? The NDAs won't apply once the patch has been released, so by the time you actually can DL patch 5 you'll be able to find out anything you need to know.

[Lord Surinen]

I know about betas being under NDA but I have never heard about patch being called a beta with NDA attached. Well, I would like to know if male elvhes are fixed. After 4 months past release I would expect it to be there.

[Bioware-Critic]

How I wish it will... I want to feel like I'm playing a Bioware game, not Diablo...

 

You have looked into my heart, brother Lee T!

 

I bought a RPG from a RPG-maker that sold the bloody game as a RPG!

 

A RPG that goes "back to the roots" (PR for Da:I) ...

... and not "off into the wilderness", to look for some "lost" casual gamers - who never even knew what a RPG is in the first place!

[Mirth]

I don't follow this. What's the advantage of temp hiring QA staff over a public closed beta? It would be more expensive and slower.

Complaining for the sake of complaining.

It makes perfect sense to host a closed beta with the players who actually play the game. 100s of man hours invested for free? Yes please.
Finding more bugs in less time? Yes please.
Getting feedback from 100 people, as opposed to a 1/2 dozen temps? Yes please.

The benefits go on....

He's can't be angry just because they didn't hire 100 people... for a free download 90% of the community wants..
I mean HOW DARE EA and Bioware use 100 volunteers!!! The nerve!
I've never seen such arrogance in a company!
**end sarcasm

Misdirected anger. Perhaps he should be sore at the 100s of people willing to work for free??

[Kantr]

I know about betas being under NDA but I have never heard about patch being called a beta with NDA attached. Well, I would like to know if male elvhes are fixed. After 4 months past release I would expect it to be there.

Its under NDA because it's being tested and beta because it's been Alpha tested

[Lee T]

I have no idea of the business sides of things between classic QA testing and open beta. But it seems there is a bit of PR behind it as well. People have been harassing the staff for every patch release dates every day since the game got out. Having an open beta, they still do not mention a date, but they can say it's in beta. It's a bit better than the silent treatment without promising somtheing they might not be able to give.

[Bioware-Critic]

Oh I hope this gets released soon....I want to play around with the CC mirror..

 

Spoiler

 

I wonder what's going to happen for the Lavellans who got rid of their tatts. Will the CC recognize that? (I would assume so) And let them just customize the blank face? Can the tatts be reapplied? Just ramblings ^.^

 

If I would have to guess ... I would say it will take several month. I am not even mentioning ALL the other countless bugs, here!

Only patch 5 to finish ...

 

But to be perfectly honest: I don't care! I have waited for years to get a new Dragon Age!

 

I stopped playing this game a good long while ago. What I want for this game is to get better and to get back on the classical "RPG-track" - from where EA pushed it out of !!! Everything else is of no importance to me! They stripped down so many things and dumbed down so many former complex systems ... I hardly recognize this as a DA title ... 

 

I am a mage-player ... and the mage class feels like a "android-mobile-game" character!

( Fire, Ice, Lightning ... pfffff )

[Lord Surinen]

Its under NDA because it's being tested and beta because it's been Alpha tested

This explanation does not satisfy me. We should know what is being tested, content of the update. It is at least ridiculous with ill will as prime suspect. It is quite normal for people to post changes all over the internet, but nope, not here. I would really like to know if  unplayable male elvhes got their fix.

[AlanC9]

Its under NDA because it's being tested and beta because it's been Alpha tested

He's right that a public beta for a patch is pretty rare, though. Usually patch betas are kept strictly in-house.

I'm still looking for a reason why the patch 5 process isn't a good idea, though. I haven't heard one yet.

[AlanC9]

This explanation does not satisfy me. We should know what is being tested, content of the update. It is at least ridiculous with ill will as prime suspect. It is quite normal for people to post changes all over the internet, but nope, not here. I would really like to know if  unplayable male elvhes got their fix.

You never seem to actually get around to saying what the actual problem is. Again, when the patch is released the patch notes will be released too, so you'll know what's in it. And before it's released what's in it doesn't matter since you can't use it anyway.

[Lord Surinen]

You never seem to actually get around to saying what the actual problem is.

I'm glad you have said that! Usually people have problems with me showing the actual problem!

 

1. http://forum.bioware...d-its-problems/
2. http://answers.ea.co...104509#U4104509

second link is filled with screenshots

[AlanC9]

What does your problem with the male elf model have to do with the patch beta being under an NDA, though? Or is talking about the patch just a pretext for talking about the elf model some more?

[Megakoresh]

I don't understand why the patch on PC has to be "tested" in closed beta before deployment to be honest. It's not an MMO (well not an "online" anyway...), and you can patch on PC very easily. Instead of making a huge patch every 2 months and then having to 'close beta' it, it is much more beneficial to release small patches every week. You will break less stuff and fix more, and unless they have set up an incredibly dumb and convoluted VCS, it should be easy to deploy as well.

 

If their reasoning is that for consoles this isn't feasible, well first of all consoles don't have as many problems with this game as PC does, and second you can collect several PC patches into one for consoles and have a separate group of people test that. You will still end up with a more efficient development process with an agile model like that. It's a lie that big companies can't follow agile models, I mean look at Warframe developers. They only develop for PC, sure, but they develop an always-online multiplayer game on the other hand.

[AlanC9]

That's how they did it with NWN, yeah. But I get the feeling they don't want to make the processes too divergent for the console and PC patch versions.

[Lord Surinen]

It has everything to do with it. If there is no fix for it in the patch then we should organise an uproar, glorious boycott or something - after all we, consumers matter and BioWare is listening to us all the time. Overwhelmed by our unity, tears of honesty and will to fight the good fight, they would beg us to accept the fix!

 

Now, we don't know how should we react, we have no informations about the state of patch. We were stripped off possibility to expresss ourselves in its true, clear meaning.

 

We are in the dark, suffering from fears and relive traumatic experiences of DA:I launch. In fact, I consider myself DA:I launch survivor.

 

#Knowledgematters

#IchbinSolas

[Teddie Sage]

... Sometimes I wonder why I'm even trying to make a positive thread when it suddenly becomes highjacked by so much toxicity, then I remember that I'm on BSN.

[kaladan78]

Nice of you guys to bring back black emporium...lots of respect for listening to the fan requests and feedback...keep it up...it is a great game,that is way it deserves the touch where it needs it.Wish you can do more with the hair and beards....feels a little like a step down in that area.thank's.

[SkaldFish]

News Flash: People who know nothing about software development criticize BW for implementing a closed beta -- a proven, effective best practice.

Move along -- nothing to see here.

[Winged Silver]

If I would have to guess ... I would say it will take several month. I am not even mentioning All the countless bugs, here! Only patch 5 to finish ...

 

But to be perfectly honest: I don't care! I have waited for years to get a new Dragon Age!

 

I stopped playing this game a good long while ago. What I want for this game is to get better and to get back on the classical "RPG-track" - from where EA pushed it out of !!! Everything else is of no importance to me! They stripped down so many things and dumbed down so many former complex systems ... I hardly recognize this as a DA title ... 

 

I am a mage-player ... and the mage class feels like a "android-mobile-game" character!

( Fire, Ice, Lightning ... pfffff )

 

Well, to each their own. I enjoy the game for what it is. It's certainly different from its predecessors. If I'm in the mood to revisit a specific feature (such as in depth tactics) I just boot up the game that has it. For me, I prefer to focus on the good things coming (such as the CC, which does matter to me, though I understand it's of differing import to different people). I can understand the desire to see preferred features make a come back though I hope in the future, as Bioware gets more skilled with using Frostbyte, they make a return towards a more complex tactics system. It seems like something a lot of people prefer (myself included). I suppose we shall see, though.