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[Leon Vanel]

I hope this is a joke.

No it is not, Nintendo games and most Japanese games are almost always perfect. Dragons Dogma (better than DAI), was almost perfect.xenoblade, mgs, ff, General jRPG etc. Please, western games are optimized crap.

[AlanC9]

It's not Bioware's fault you're trying to play a next-gen game, with next-gen software on an old-gen system with old-gen hardware.

Well, it is Bio's fault that it was released for the old gen at all. Though I suppose the old gen players wouldn't have liked a purely next-gen DAI any better.

[o Ventus]

Two games.

Far Cry 4

GTA V

 

Strange no? They both work well. On old-gen and new-gen.

 

I buyed this game at the same price than you with the bioware promise in head : "fewer NPC on the screen, less SFX".

So, you are basically saying I'm stupid to belive Bioware? I know it for sure, I just want that everyone know it.

GTA V was effectively redeveloped for the new-gen systems and PC, it wasn't a joint development between the 2 generations simultaneously. And Far Cry 4 is built on the same framework as Far Cry 3, which is exclusively old-gen. FC4 is only next-gen in the sense that it's released on next-gen systems. In terms of technology, it's just Far Cry 3 again.

 

If you're going to provide proof of your point, you could do to be a little less selective.

[o Ventus]

Well, it is Bio's fault that it was released for the old gen at all. Though I suppose the old gen players wouldn't have liked a purely next-gen DAI any better.

Oh, I know, but it's juvenile to complain that your 10-year old 360 is having trouble running a game developed on software developed (at the earliest) in 2012.

 

Like I said, it's complaining about barely being able to use Windows 8 on a computer from 2005. The software just doesn't match the hardware. Compromises can be made to make it work, but it just won't be as smooth and bug-free as the hardware that the game was built for.

[o Ventus]

No it is not, Nintendo games and most Japanese games are almost always perfect. Dragons Dogma (better than DAI), was almost perfect.xenoblade, mgs, ff, General jRPG etc. Please, western games are optimized crap.

Don't turn this into a Japan/West debate. You're not going to win, and what you've said thus far is verifiably false.

[Keitaro57]

GTA V was effectively redeveloped for the new-gen systems and PC, it wasn't a joint development between the 2 generations simultaneously. And Far Cry 4 is built on the same framework as Far Cry 3, which is exclusively old-gen.

 

If you're going to provide proof of your point, you could do to be a little less selective.

So what? You are saying that Bioware blatantly lied to us, released a non-fonctionnal game only to grab the cash of their poorer fans, gived us an non-stable version of the game and YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING THEM????????!!!!!!!

 

The two exemples showed two games both on old-gen and next-gen. They are both working fine on the two support because the DEVS MADE THEIR JOB.

 

If it was only a list of glitches and bug, a simple list to present to the devs... But NO! The game is unstable at hell for some players, locked on the "press start button" for other, disc unreadable for some, corrupted saves as raining, game-blocking glitches that stop the story, etc, etc... It's like a stupid russian roulette!

 

I'm lucky because, even with all this glitches and the fact half of the game is non-accessible, I can finish the main story. But NO, HAVING AN ALMOST NON-WORKING GAME MORE UNSTABLE AT EACH PATCH GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!

[Bioware-Critic]

No friend. The Japanese games are wonderful, deep and almost always perfect on day one. They do not want to pay beta test, lower development costs and reduce time too. The absurd thing and that you supported these horrendous policies. Everyone does what he wants, but I certainly never buy more game bioware to DayOne (perhaps after years as I do now with all Western games) I bought the DAI DayOne because there was little on ps4 and I was a fan, but I'll wait for Mass Effect years (if it's worth it)

Im not a betatester !

 

If I would not have been so completely sold on their false advertising and PR BS ... and I wasn't "longing" (>really< ) for this title because I thought it to be an genuine Origins-successor ... and BioWare wouldn't have been BioWare ... I would have waited too! But most of us are here because we "had no choice" because we wanted this title baaaaadly! Now ... UGH ... I just wish ... that I could get my money back!

 

If Bioware cannot fix this game ... they will be average to me! Down there in the big bucket of game developers who just don't cut it! The ones who try ... but fail. Miserably - laughably, really! This market gets bigger and bigger by the mionute. And more and more companies completely sell out to and get ruled by ... their publishers. Who go full on "Candy-Crush" with every title they crank out. On top of that: Everything is broken, underdeveloped and shallow. It looks really good but it plays like ass!

 

This industry more and more becomes an indistinguishable "grey goo" ...

A cash cow - without any personality whatsoever.

 

(for the definition of "grey goo" > http://www.urbandict...Mozilla-search)

[Leon Vanel]

Don't turn this into a Japan/West debate. You're not going to win, and what you've said thus far is verifiably false.

Do it .I mentioned some of the largest Japanese games and not have defects such as those in the West . Now tell me the great Western games optimized well please.(AC,skyrim,DAI,battlefield, halo mcc,driveclub?What? )This is the truth as evidenced by the facts. And Nintendo games ? Xenoblade is perfect , huge , low-budget , small group . So what? Western Rpg perfect? Other game?

[o Ventus]

So what? You are saying that Bioware blatantly lied to us, released a non-fonctionnal game only to grab the cash of their poorer fans, gived us an non-stable version of the game and YOU ARE STILL DEFENDING THEM????????!!!!!!!

 

So you're complaining entirely about the wrong thing and then passing it off as gospel. You have no idea what you're even b**ching about and trying to say that you do. They can either give you a less stable version of the game or they can give you none at all. What part of "the game wasn't wholly developed with technology adapted for old-gen systems" is escaping your brain? Why can you not comprehend this? I'm not defending them, I think they would have been better off just not releasing old-gen version altogether. What I AM doing is criticizing your pathetic argument for the nonsense rhetoric it is.

 

 

The two exemples showed two games both on old-gen and next-gen. They are both working fine on the two support because the DEVS MADE THEIR JOB.

 

Pay attention to what I said and try not to make yourself look like a simpleton. Rockstar effectively remade GTA V specifically for next-gen systems and PC. It wasn't developed alongside the old-gen versions. Far Cry 4 is, for all intents and purposes, a more polished version of Far Cry 3 with some new pieces thrown in to justify calling it a sequel. In neither case are Rockstar or Ubisoft developing a new game designed with new software made for new hardware, on old hardware.

 

If it was only a list of glitches and bug, a simple list to present to the devs... But NO! The game is unstable at hell for some players, locked on the "press start button" for other, disc unreadable for some, corrupted saves as raining, game-blocking glitches that stop the story, etc, etc... It's like a stupid russian roulette!

 

This is how bugs, work, by their very nature. I'll give you credit for something, you're good at stating the obvious.

 

I'm lucky because, even with all this glitches and the fact half of the game is non-accessible, I can finish the main story. But NO, HAVING AN ALMOST NON-WORKING GAME MORE UNSTABLE AT EACH PATCH GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!

 

You forfeit your right to complain when you can't even keep your complaints centralized in any coherent fashion and you outright contradict yourself. You haven't even acknowledged any of the things I've said, which leads me to believe that you're a 5-year old finally experiencing obsolescence in technology.

[o Ventus]

Do it .I mentioned some of the largest Japanese games and not have defects such as those in the West . Now tell me the great Western games optimized well please.(AC,skyrim,DAI,battlefield, halo mcc,driveclub?What? )This is the truth as evidenced by the facts. And Nintendo games ? Xenoblade is perfect , huge , low-budget , small group . So what? Western Rpg perfect? Other game?

I don't have to "do" anything. You're doing a good job at discrediting yourself by passing these statements off as facts. Truth be told I'm only humoring you at this point to see how you plan on keeping it up.

[Leon Vanel]

Do it (my fault I do not speak English well). the truth is that I have talked about concrete facts, you say but you can not prove otherwise. Why defend the indefensible? Work in bioware?or other western SH?

[Bioware-Critic]

Oh, I know, but it's juvenile to complain that your 10-year old 360 is having trouble running a game developed on software developed (at the earliest) in 2012.

 

Like I said, it's complaining about barely being able to use Windows 8 on a computer from 2005. The software just doesn't match the hardware. Compromises can be made to make it work, but it just won't be as smooth and bug-free as the hardware that the game was built for.

 

Man, you really don't get consoles - do you?

 

They developed it for these systems and it ran fine! Mine runs fine - except for some bugs that even the PC crowd has. Yes the graphics cannot compete with the PC graphics but if anything ... if anything ...

 

You PC guys are the only ones who are holding "the short end of the stick", here !!! (LOL)

 

If they decide to make it compatible with old gen ... they cut out a lot of graphical fidelity for the old gen ... but most of the tech (not all of it of course) will be running on all systems. Which means ... that all other systems (PC and current-gen) are not fully used. Which is the very same case for the whole PC market. No high-tier graphics card is used to its full potetial because of all the mid-tier graphics cards that are used by almost any other PC gamer out there - PERIOD! If Bioware would have been fair ... they would have done to the game ... what happen to shadow of mordor and put some major stuff in ... that does not run on old gen ... just for the PC and current-gen console customers to enjoy. But they didn't do it! So there is no compromise for the owners of old gen consoles. The compromise is on your end. You are the ones who could have gotten a better game (... but you will never, anyway - since all PC graphics cards are different!). The bugs that are present on the different systems may be different ... but they also are different on every PC. The console are not "exactly" equally configured (just like PC's) ... but BioWare and other developers know exactly with what hardware they are dealing with! And that makes it really easy for them to optimize it for consoles And BioWare developed this game with lastgen consoles in mind. End of story.

 

But all the companies out there ... since the beginning of PC gaming ...

... don't care about high-tier graphics cards - NOT ONE BIT!

They just use you for PR! And they win. Everytime.

 

If you then "hit a gamer with a stick" for using a different hardware than you - just for lol's - does not change anything about their lack of caring for high-tier graphics cards owners. Your market is too small - it always was and always will be ... too small!

 

All of this ... may sound harsh to you (?!?) ... but all I really want to point out is:

"Stop hitting PS360-console gamers - just because you got the short end of the stick"

[Keitaro57]

So you're complaining entirely about the wrong thing and then passing it off as gospel. You have no idea what you're even b**ching about and trying to say that you do. They can either give you a less stable version of the game or they can give you none at all. What part of "the game wasn't wholly developed with technology adapted for old-gen systems" is escaping your brain? Why can you not comprehend this? I'm not defending them, I think they would have been better off just not releasing old-gen version altogether. What I AM doing is criticizing your pathetic argument for the nonsense rhetoric it is.

 

 

 

 

 

Pay attention to what I said and try not to make yourself look like a simpleton. Rockstar effectively remade GTA V specifically for next-gen systems and PC. It wasn't developed alongside the old-gen versions. Far Cry 4 is, for all intents and purposes, a more polished version of Far Cry 3 with some new pieces thrown in to justify calling it a sequel. In neither case are Rockstar or Ubisoft developing a new game designed with new software made for new hardware, on old hardware.

 

 

 

 

This is how bugs, work, by their very nature. I'll give you credit for something, you're good at stating the obvious.

 

 

 

 

You forfeit your right to complain when you can't even keep your complaints centralized in any coherent fashion and you outright contradict yourself. You haven't even acknowledged any of the things I've said, which leads me to believe that you're a 5-year old finally experiencing obsolescence in technology.

If you can bring to me the internet page where Bioware says that the xbox360 version will never be functionnal, I want to read it. Did they say this game will never work effectively on old-gen? Did they say that the game will be a full pack of glitches, bugs or be even not capable to launch? Did you know that, at the same time, some people like Atlus are making Persona 5 on PS3 and PS4? I bet a gazillions that the two versions will be fully stable.

 

I'm a customer, not an ingener that will broke his console to upgrade the hardware. They know the hardware, they made the game, they released it. They never said they failed. If you think that the old-gen players are stupid to buy game made specificaly for their hardware, say it clearly : the PS3 still get exclusives games and good ones!

 

About far cry and GTA, you said it yourself : Devs made their job. You find it normal that Bioware devs made a lazy port, okay with that. Where it is on the final product? "This game is a lazy port and may not work!" Nope, nowhere on the box.

 

I'll wait for Persona 5 this year. He will probably be fabulous, full of content, enjoyable and on an old hardware. Because Atlus never failed before at JRPG. See, they are still people that work for this old gen and made great work!

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Comparing apples and oranges here? Give the Japanese developers the same engine, same scale of game, same number of quests, same number of items, same number of voices, NPCs etc. The same number and skill level of employees to do it and, make them do it in the same time frame, make them do it for both old and new gen consoles and PC all at once - now see what happens.

 

Yes DAI had bugs and, could use some improvements but, as far as old gen consoles go, IMO, they should have left them out - you don't race a Ford Pinto against a Formula one car and, you don't put a Calvetti motor in a 10 year old station wagon. Bioware tired to do that and, made it work as best they could. Kudos for effort even though it semi failed, the game does run on those old consoles so, that's more than should have happened. It certainly won't run on a 10 year old PC, won't even run on a 32 bit PC period and, some still had 32 bit PCs when the game released but, got new PCs or upgraded for the game.

[Keitaro57]

Comparing apples and oranges here? Give the Japanese developers the same engine, same scale of game, same number of quests, same number of items, same number of voices, NPCs etc. The same number and skill level of employees to do it and, make them do it in the same time frame, make them do it for both old and new gen consoles and PC all at once - now see what happens.

 

Yes DAI had bugs and, could use some improvements but, as far as old gen consoles go, IMO, they should have left them out - you don't race a Ford Pinto against a Formula one car and, you don't put a Calvetti motor in a 10 year old station wagon. Bioware tired to do that and, made it work as best they could. Kudos for effort even though it semi failed, the game does run on those old consoles so, that's more than should have happened. It certainly won't run on a 10 year old PC, won't even run on a 32 bit PC period and, some still had 32 bit PCs when the game released but, got new PCs or upgraded for the game.

Dragon's Dogma?

 

Oh, and about the upgrade : will my xbox360 disc give me a better version if I put him in a XboxOne? No, it doesn't work. So what? They tried, they failed and the customers must pay for the error?

Again, bring the proof that Bioware said that the game will not work smoothly on old-gen. Did they communicate about that? No. They lied and trapped us with a 60 buck game that nobody will buy from us.

[Leon Vanel]

You must also consider the budget and work teams , Dragons Dogma is still better . Dragons dogma was created with small budget ( this is the real problem of the Japanese sh ) , Capcom did not want the game more , and cut budget during development.
Friend maybe you've never played Xenoblade. Created with very little money, a tiny team and destroys DAI on complexity, story, vastness, CYCLE DAY / NIGHT etc. (If I am not mistaken bioware said it is too expensive , as RAD said that reflected in the order too expensive , that ridiculous)Bioware with huge team and millions dollar releases indecent games. the last DA seems a MMO(this is another story). perhaps because of EA? I do not know and I do not care, it's their problem.

The comparison ford vs formula one is only your own taste. For me it's the opposite. I do not do anything about the graphics if the game is empty, no atmosphere and full of bugs(Not to mention the combat system).

[midnight tea]

Dragons Dogma is immense fun in terms of combat, has cool vocations (Mystic Archer... my dream class!), and I like the fact that we get different enemies during night and day, but everything else? The story's a joke (I especially liked broken as hell and confusing affinity system. Boy, did I laugh sometimes at choices that the game made when picking my beloved seemingly out of random!), there's no crafting whatsoever and the world's less expansive than it seems.

[Leon Vanel]

Read above, you need to compare budget hollywood style vs sh normal budget . the developer said that if they would give him more budget would create a masterpiece. Learn about the history of development of dragons dogma. Then, unfortunately, has become the online game, why not have the same money. then I have to list the defects DAI do not stop more

[Keitaro57]

You must also consider the budget and work teams , Dragons Dogma is still better . Dragons dogma was created with small budget ( this is the real problem of the Japanese sh ) , Capcom did not want the game more , and cut budget during development.
Friend maybe you've never played Xenoblade. Created with very little money, a tiny team and destroys DAI on complexity, story, vastness, CYCLE DAY / NIGHT etc. (If I am not mistaken bioware said it is too expensive , as RAD said that reflected in the order too expensive , that ridiculous)Bioware with huge team and millions dollar releases indecent games. the last DA seems a MMO(this is another story). perhaps because of EA? I do not know and I do not care, it's their problem.

The comparison ford vs formula one is only your own taste. For me it's the opposite. I do not do anything about the graphics if the game is empty, no atmosphere and full of bugs(Not to mention the combat system).

A friend of mine has Xenoblade. Looked good, yeah. Especially the crazy-shaped map! But, because I never played the game myself, I didn't used it for example. Yeah, Japanese team don't have the same budget and since Squaresoft work with Enix, they have lost interest in their own work, I find. Without the fight Dragon Quest/Final Fantasy, they have grown lazy... too bad.

[Leon Vanel]

You have to play it absolutely, you will not regret. I do not know what to say, maybe it's just a difference of mentality, but I prefer to japan work. I regret buying, DAI is not a bad game (lve also voted for best game,too early because i love the genre ) but perhaps was purchased in a couple of years.

[Keitaro57]

You have to play it absolutely, you will not regret. I do not know what to say, maybe it's just a difference of mentality, but I prefer to japan work. I regret buying, DAI is not a bad game (lve also voted for best game,too early because i love the genders ) but perhaps was purchased in a couple of years.

I recommand you the PSVita. There is a bunch of JRPG on this support. Lot of them are both good and funny.

 

Okay, back on topic : I just hope the Patch 6 will not be to fix the Patch 5.

[Bioware-Critic]

Back to topic ... very good idea!

 

 

I am happy that they already release the info that they have patch 6 in the works and will beta-test it! This is a good step in the right direction.

 

The game needs as much improvement as possible and BioWare can do it and accomplish a lot if they set their mind to it and take their time.

 

I want these patches!   (And many more ... )

[o Ventus]

Man, you really don't get consoles - do you?

 

 

They developed it for these systems and it ran fine! Mine runs fine - except for some bugs that even the PC crowd has. Yes the graphics cannot compete with the PC graphics but if anything ... if anything ...

 

Considering that I play the overwhelming majority of my games on consoles... Yes. Yes I do. Very much so. I also don't have DAI on the PC, I have it on the Xbox One. Why you even mentioned this is beyond me, I never said nor indicated that I played on the PC.

 

The rest of your angry tangent I won't even bother responding to because it has nothing at all to do with anything I've said.

[o Ventus]

If you can bring to me the internet page where Bioware says that the xbox360 version will never be functionnal, I want to read it. Did they say this game will never work effectively on old-gen? Did they say that the game will be a full pack of glitches, bugs or be even not capable to launch? Did you know that, at the same time, some people like Atlus are making Persona 5 on PS3 and PS4? I bet a gazillions that the two versions will be fully stable.

 

Nobody said that the old-gen versions of the game will never be functional, nor has anyone ever even implied as much. I'm not going to bother explaining what it means to develop new software on outdated hardware again, you'll just continue to ignore it.

 

I'm a customer, not an ingener that will broke his console to upgrade the hardware.

 

Not a very smart customer ("not very smart" in more than just consumer sense, going by this syntax), evidently.

 

They know the hardware, they made the game, they released it. They never said they failed. If you think that the old-gen players are stupid to buy game made specificaly for their hardware, say it clearly : the PS3 still get exclusives games and good ones!

 

They can be as familiar with the hardware as they want, that doesn't change the fact that DAI was built with new-gen consoles in mind, not for old-gen. That the old-gen versions are playable at all is a testament to how they could scale everything down.

 

 

About far cry and GTA, you said it yourself : Devs made their job. You find it normal that Bioware devs made a lazy port, okay with that. Where it is on the final product? "This game is a lazy port and may not work!" Nope, nowhere on the box.

 

You've never actually held a debate or discussion with anyone in your entire life, have you?

 

I'll wait for Persona 5 this year. He will probably be fabulous, full of content, enjoyable and on an old hardware.

 

I wasn't aware that the Persona series was a living person.

 

Because Atlus never failed before at JRPG. See, they are still people that work for this old gen and made great work!

 

Please, go fellate them somewhere else then.

[Leon Vanel]

Returning to the topic, why already announce a patch 6 when patch 5 is not out yet? When you think it gets the patch 5 on consoles? There will be the Black emporium and item storage in patch 5? Too question?