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[SmilesJA]

Now THAT'S how you conduct an interview. RPS should take notes.

[bEVEsthda]

On one hand, Molyneaux is the king of false promises and fake hype.

One the other hand, you can tell how much he cares about games and the industry and how much effort he puts in to the work he does.


So it's kind of like calling someone one out that needs to, but it's also like kicking someone right in the nuts who is doing the best they can.

 

Hopefully, Molyneaux has learned a few things about hyping, and will keep his cards much closer in the future.

 

But frankly, the news here is that Walker is just yet another tiresome, internet bully. I'll be sure to note him down.

That sort of attack is also a sort of overblown hype. Same as when the most self-entitled gamer-retards goes thermonuclear.

 

So Peter hypes his ideas. Is that supposed to be news? Does that make those game-ideas that do work anything less? Apparently it does. That's a property of gamer societies. You can watch it here too - live - on BSN.

People don't like to get something different!  -Than what they expected. The actual quality is less relevant.

[Alan Rickman]

 

I'm not sure he should be publicly crucified or anything, but it's 2015. If anyone trusts this man at this point to deliver on his promises, they only have themselves to blame.

[Kantr]

A point in defense of Walker--from what little I've heard, this is relatively common interviewing style for the UK. Any UKers out there care to confirm or deny?

I've never seen an interview like that until now. Maybe question time, but no others.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Peter Molyneux's official theme song:

 

[Fast Jimmy]

Upon further retrospect, I think the entire point of the article is summed up in the opening question: "are you a pathological liar?"

And based on Molyneaux's responses (and past actions), I'd say that yes - yes he is.

Many have a confused definition of pathological liar as someone who maliciously lies to make themselves look better. In reality, a pathological liar is someone who is unable to stop the compulsion to lie and often has trouble differentiating and identifying when they are lying. Based on Peter's responses - along the lines of "I believed all of these things at the time I said them," as well as how he even acknowledges his history of being unable to be wrangled in by other PR folks - I'd say it's entirely possible this is the case. That he's not a snake oil salesman, trying to con people out of money, but that he legitimately has issues drawing lines between reality and the fictions he has created.

Although the means the interviewer uses are brutal, it also is the most effective way to handle a compulsive liar: consistently and repeatedly call them out when they begin descending into their distortions. He pounces on every time Peter says something that contradicts something said in the interview or something that goes against what was said previously.

I don't think it was the interviewer's intention to call Molyneaux a crook, but to expose that the man just can't be trusted to tell the truth, anymore than an alcoholic could be trusted to not take a drink. And that's something people should be aware of before giving him money.

[Eternal Phoenix]

http://www.kotaku.co...-godus-disaster
 

"Everything I say in the press misleads people," he said. "I spoke to a journalist yesterday, and the first thing he asked was, 'Are you a pathological liar?' When I say something in these 57 videos I've done, when I say something to the press, I truly believe it. And my philosophy, for what it's worth, is to be a designer—not to be a PR person, not to be careful about every word I say. And that's led me to this disastrous position where I can never say anything. Because everything I say misleads people. Especially with me, because I'm such an eloquent talker. I talk around a point and then a segment comes out."

So in his own words, yes, he is a pathological liar. Lol

[Riven326]

In this interview he admits to lying about features in his games. This is by his own admission, so when he says in the RPS interview that he doesn't know of a single lie, he's either lying or is he just doesn't have a good memory. But regardless of his reputation, that RPS interview was so uncalled for. Attacking someone on a personal level is never the right thing to do when conducting an interview.

[SnakeCode]

I would love them to tell that question to her. But we already know where that'll lead.

It's funny because there are certain similarities between Molyneux and Sarkeesian. Both recieved a lot more money than they asked for with their kickstarter campaigns, both also failed to meet their goals by some margin, and largely in the same ways. Something tells me we won't be getting a hard-hitting no holds barred interview with her any time soon though. The difference being I doubt the extra KS money went straight into Peter's personal bank account. Not sure i'd be confident in saying the same for Anita.

[Riven326]

It's funny because there are certain similarities between Molyneux and Sarkeesian. Both recieved a lot more money than they asked for with their kickstarter campaigns, both also failed to meet their goals by some margin, and largely in the same ways. Something tells me we won't be getting a hard-hitting no holds barred interview with her any time soon though. The difference being I doubt the extra KS money went straight into Peter's personal bank account. Not sure i'd be confident in saying the same for Anita.

Indeed. Really, if I was in Molyneux's shoes at that moment and the interviewer started with a question like "Are you a pathological liar?", I would have hung up the phone right there and then.

[Raizo]

I got a third of the way though it before I had to stop. That interviewer was extremely hostile and as such unprofessional. I get that Molyneux is a dreamer who thinks big and often ( always ) promises things he can't deliver but the interviewer treated him like he was a deliberate liar and from what I've seen of the guy in previous interviewers I don't buy it.

[Cyonan]

If this were a new designer that just started, I might say that they're probably just inexperienced and don't realize all of their ideas aren't going to come to life once the realities of development set in.

 

However the interviewer being a jerk aside, at this point Molyneux doesn't get to use that excuse so I would have to say that yes, he is a pathological liar. He seems to be a well meaning one with lots of really solid ideas, but still a pathological liar.

 

and that should be considered by anybody considering pledging money to his future developments.

[CrazyRah]

The RPS interview is pretty abysmal and not at all how an interview should be done. As much as I'd like Molyneux to get some tougher questions it's not ok to come with personal insults.

[bEVEsthda]

Upon further retrospect, I think the entire point of the article is summed up in the opening question: "are you a pathological liar?"

And based on Molyneaux's responses (and past actions), I'd say that yes - yes he is.

Many have a confused definition of pathological liar as someone who maliciously lies to make themselves look better. In reality, a pathological liar is someone who is unable to stop the compulsion to lie and often has trouble differentiating and identifying when they are lying. Based on Peter's responses - along the lines of "I believed all of these things at the time I said them," as well as how he even acknowledges his history of being unable to be wrangled in by other PR folks - I'd say it's entirely possible this is the case. That he's not a snake oil salesman, trying to con people out of money, but that he legitimately has issues drawing lines between reality and the fictions he has created.

 

I'd buy the "someone who is unable to stop the compulsion to lie" as definition of pathological liar. But yea, I'm one of those who'd assume a "pathological liar" is someone who is aware of that they're lying. I don't know the diagnose, nor do I intend to look it up. I don't think it matters. Because I think Molyneaux talks about plans, ideas. And since he probably has every intention to try to make something like he describes, no, he's not a pathological liar. He's just not telling that his team won't be able to complete all features, or make them as awesome as he imagines they could be. Because he believes they will.

 

He's hyping. Not really lying.

 

Like the 'Made For PC Gamers By PC Gamers' video. No one lies in that. The closest to do it is Elizabeth, because the things she says are not true. But she thinks they are true. She thinks it's true because of two reasons. She thinks it will be true when the game is released, and she doesn't really understand what the 'PC Gamers' really expect.

 

If anybody lies it's the marketing dudes who made the video. But hey, - talk to marketers about "lies".

The case is that while the mission was to make the game for five platforms, no one on the current DA-team really cares **** about PC or PC gaming. They don't understand it. And can't really be bothered.

So EA bosses suddenly gets wind of that the PC version is maybe really important, both for the viral perception of the DA franchise and for the direct market results. So they gets back to the team about it. "Yea, we're building a real nice PC-version" the developers mindlessly spews out. "Great, let's do a marketing video about it" the EA bosses spews out, equally mindlessly.

 

No one's lying. They're just not thinking, nor understanding.

[Cyonan]

Personally I don't really buy the "I believed it at the time" line. Molyneux is not some first year game designer who might actually be able to get away with that line due to inexperience.

 

The guy has been making games for longer than I've even been alive. I fully expect anybody that's been around in the industry that long to understand the realities of software development.

 

but in Peter's case I do think it's more that he just can't help himself from getting overly enthusiastic with his ideas and going overboard when talking about features that will be in the game(or because he doesn't want to bore journalists, apparently =P), even though he knows he can't deliver on everything.

[Kantr]

Here's an interesting article by Ars on the matter. http://arstechnica.c...peter-molyneux/

[Althix]

... why should i care about mr. Molyneux?

[dragonflight288]

Just did some research on Godus. It looks good in theory, but I don't trust Molyneux to deliver everything he hyped it up as. 

 

I've gotten burned on a few games on steam that I'm promised the full game by a certain date or features that I can expect that never come. I'm not going to put my money on Godus until there's confirmation that it's a complete product. And even then I probably won't. 

 

EDIT: I'm also not going to buy any game he makes until I read the reviews for it. 

[Chris]

Peter Molyneux have not released any worthwhile games in a long ****** while sadly, i wouldn't excpect much from his games anymore unless he goes back to his roots.

 

I must say i wish he still had it in him to make good games. Dungeon Keeper 1&2, Syndicate, Populous etc was too long ago.

[TheRealJayDee]

That guy was responsible for some of gaming's finest moments at certain points of time. Personally I haven't played any of his games ever since the first Black&White wasn't all it could have been, but he did do some great work in the past, and I respect him for that. Nowadays, however, I have to admit he doesn't make it easy to defend him, and I won't even try.

 

I do believe he doesn't have bad intentions with the stuff he says, and how it doesn't end up being represented by the final ("final") product. But like others said, a man who is that long in the business really should be able to have somewhat of an idea about what his projects might actually require in terms of time and budget, and at which point problems are bound to come up.

 

And as someone who displayed to have problems with those calculations after all and more than once he should have done something (anything?!) to prevent such things from happening again. Godus could have probably been a game to redeem him to some extent in the eyes of fans and press alike, but it became something of the exact opposite of that.

 

I do hope that in the future he'll be able to reflect a lot on what went wrong these last years, and then simply make a good game, without all the usual hype and excitement. Just quietly work on a game, with realistic goals and expectations. Start somewhat smaller in scope and ambition, and only if circumstances allow it gradually go go bigger. And don't talk it to death, just make it good and then show it. That's my wish.

 

Oh yeah, and that interview: while it does touch on a lot of valid points the way it was done was just not cool. 

[Ozzy]

Obligatory -

 

[wolfsite]

Jim Sterling just chimed in: