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[Anaeme]

Why did the Maker create Thedas?

 

 

Did he create the world to watch it's descent into ruin?

 

 

For more than a thousand years Thedas has suffered calamity after calamity with each catastrophe occurring at extinction levels

 

Millions upon millions are dead and it's looking like the veil itself was artificially created, an outcome of strife.

 

Whole stretches of landmass have been rendered useless by the blight. The Anderfels is now a complete Wasteland.

 

One man tore a breach in the Sky sending hordes of demons on the rampage. Normal people are beset by sufferring

 

Lyrium is growing out of control 

 

Still somehow or the other, the Maker who created it all for some purpose remains tone deaf.  

 

 

The only person trying to piece things together is Flemeth, but how much can a dead goddess who is only a fragment of what she used to be salvage? She rescues what remnants of the old magic she can find while pursuing her vengance masterplan. 

 

 

Now even the Flemeth is dead. 

 

 

 

Why did the Maker Create Thedas?  

 

He refuses to help his creations, mortals and gods, evolve,

He does not interfere when the laws governing the world are turned upside down,

He provides no guidance for how mortals and deities should conduct themselves

 

 

And so the entire creation both in the fade and in the physical world continues to disintegrate, disfigured by forces run amok.

 

This is a gaping hole in the lore that a freight train could pass through

 

 

Again, why did the Maker create Thedas

[Chuvvy]

It's all a dream, the maker is the godhead. When he wakes up, the world will be destroyed. Gods like Solas, and Flemeth would be considered the "good" ones, whereas gods like Dumat would be considered the "bad" ones. Both however, are unaware of the makers existence.

 

Also, I think the "world" of thedas could be considered a wheel of sorts. Thedas being at the centre, the outer cog being the fade, and the furthest most cog being the black city.

 

Or am I confusing DA with TES again?

[Anaeme]

There is a serious problem with the lore...there seems to be no optimistic future. Everything points to utter chaos

[LadyLaLa]

Well, according to the Chant, he created it because he was dissatisfied with only spirits and the fade, with the spirits able to change their environment at will, but rarely changing themselves, so he created Thedas and mortals, who were always changing, but couldn't change their environment on a whim. He abandoned mortals because they began worshiping false gods and then killed his bride

 

Personally, I think that makes him a pretty lousy god if even a part of that is true. He sounds fickle and petty and not a god of anything good

[Ashagar]

However setting aside Andrastian teachings and sticking to the older ancient Neromenians and Tevinter beliefs about the maker, he basically creates the world and the golden city was his seat.  He doesn't seem to care when the Tevinter start worshiping the old gods nor about the chaos the elven gods seemed to be causing in their empire. Basically he creates the world, the golden city and does nothing else of note.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Why did God create the Earth?

[Anaeme]

Why did God create the Earth?

 

Comparisons with the real world are a non starter here...nobody in this world can throw a frostbite spell at will or create a breach in the sky.

 

This is a fantasy world. We should focus on whether somehow the lore can make sense in this world Bioware has created

[Ashagar]

Perhaps the maker can't directly interact with the world he created without causing major issues so he acts indirectly though agents like Andraste and others.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

The simple answer, the maker is the Bioware team, and "He" created Thedas so we could play through a whole series of games about Thedas.

[Anaeme]

The simple answer, the maker is the Bioware team, and "He" created Thedas so we could play through a whole series of games about Thedas.

 

 

When Alistair or Mother Giselle or Cassandra say "thank the Maker" I assure you they are not thinking of the Bioware team

[Anvos]

Lore pretty much says Thedas comes to be since Maker realized the fade and its unbound creatures were sort of a failure since nothing but the Golden City had meaning.

[Nimlowyn]

If I'm not mistaken, David Gaider said they would never answer whether or not the Maker exists. I think it stands to reason that they'll never answer why the Maker created Thedas, either. It is up to each character, and each player, to decide for themselves.

 

Personally, I really like it that way. It makes Thedas, and the people in it, much more relatable. 

[DomeWing333]

Three-eyes was right. The Maker is an Artificer. Artificers make traps. Thedas is a trap. And we are the marks.

[Anaeme]

If I'm not mistaken, David Gaider said they would never answer whether or not the Maker exists. I think it stands to reason that they'll never answer why the Maker created Thedas, either. It is up to each character, and each player, to decide for themselves.

 

Personally, I really like it that way.

 

No one is asking to go and shake the Makers hand. However his influence needs to be felt.  The world is going into the toilet because mortals and powerful deities alike are totally out of control. All the world has seen for thousands of years is chaos and steady decline.  

[Ashagar]

Who says his influence hasn't been felt he sent his prophet Andraste(Yes I agree with the Tevinter on that instead of the Orlaisian chantry), I do tend to think he had some minor indirect involvement in inquisition.  I just don't think he does direct interventions like the other gods do and there might be good reason for that. 

[TheJediSaint]

Thedas was created to be The Dragon Age Setting.

[catabuca]

No one is asking to go and shake the Makers hand. However his influence needs to be felt.  The world is going into the toilet because mortals and powerful deities alike are totally out of control. All the world has seen for thousands of years is chaos and steady decline.  

 

You're basically describing our world. You did so in the first post too.

 

I know you don't want to make real world comparisons because Thedas is a fantasy setting, but there are plenty of things that are transposable from one to the other: people in Thedas fall in love - people in our world fall in love; people in Thedas need to eat to survive - people in our world need to eat to survive; people in Thedas have over the centuries created various religions to help make sense of the world - people in our world have over the centuries created various religions to help make sense of the world. That we have seen two elven 'gods' and that we know the fade exists doesn't mean we can't philosophise and theorise along the same lines we would for our own reality. That we have seen two elven 'gods' and that we know the fade exists doesn't mean that everything people in Thedas have mythologised and worshipped must be true - I mean, we already know various people have got various things very, very wrong over time, so why should we automatically assume absolute truth behind the grand creation myth of there being an omnipotent, omniscient, all powerful creator of everything?

 

And if the maker exists as exactly the person Andrastian religion holds him to be, and if a Christian or other god exists here in our reality as various religions hold, why should their presence or lack thereof in the regular everyday events of the world be any different from one another? That one is a video game universe and one is the world we inhabit means nothing, because as I said at the beginning there are certain constants between our world and theirs, so why should this be any different?

[Ashagar]

Hmm, I don't think I've seen anything that implies or states lore or codex wise that the maker is belived to be omnipotent or omniscient only that he created the world and the golden city.

[Andraste_Reborn]

There are three obvious answers here:

 

1) He didn't. There is no Maker. (A classic solution to the Problem Of Evil in the real world.)

 

2) He's a jerk who's happy to see people suffer. If the Andrastian Chantry is correct, this is what their doctrine implies, even if it's not what they believe.

 

3) The Maker created the world but then left for whatever reason, like a classic watchmaker God should. That would explain the empty Golden City, if it really was his once upon a time.

[Eelectrica]

Because they thought they could sell a few games? Or a lot of games even.

[Precursor Meta]

Why did God create the Earth?

Because he was bored.

[cronshaw]

Comparisons with the real world are a non starter here...nobody in this world can throw a frostbite spell at will or create a breach in the sky.

 

This is a fantasy world. We should focus on whether somehow the lore can make sense in this world Bioware has created

none of that is relevant to questions of why or purpose with respect to a "Creator"

the question you are asking is exactly the same question people ask about our universe's "Maker"

specifically you seem to be asking about theodicy

[zambingo]

Maker: "Existence sure is quiet."

Maker creates. Stuff joins existence.

Maker: "Hey, man, so how do you like my place?"

First Beings: "It is right."

Maker: "Yeah. It is. Wait. So... like what is right about it?"

First Beings: "You make it. It is right."

Maker: "Huh. Yeah. So okay, wanna make some stuff with me?"

First Beings: "You make it."

Maker: o.O

Maker creates. Stuff joins existence.

Maker: "Hey, man, so how do you like my place?"

Man: "It sucks."

Maker: "Yeah. Well. That's like just your opinion, man."

Man: "Gimme stuff to work with, I'll do better."

Maker: "Alright. So... like what is it that you need?"

Man: "All your stuff."

Maker: o.O

[Aren]

To make a profit