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[ThreeF]

Mythal was betrayed by her closest friends. She is the embodiment of tough love and justice.

...and is also the patron of motherhood.

 

 

Flemeth passed that conviction on to Morrigan to make sure that Morrigan doesn't fall for the same things she did. Teaching your children lessons based on your experiences are a huge part of parenting. Obviously in this scenario it's not a particularly healthy lesson, one which Morrigan does not reciprocate for her own child.

 

One might as well ask themselves whenever Morrigan would be the person she is if not for Flemeth. One may not agree with Flemeth's parenting methods, but in the end she did what she thought was best for Morrigan in the same way Morrigan does what she thinks is best for her child, what effect this will have on Kieran only time will tell.

[Frocharocha]

Flemeth is complex. When Morrigan told me about the Black Grimoire and bid me kill her, I was suspect. Literally, up until that time, I actually liked Flemeth (from the Warden's POV), up until that moment, she did nothing but help you. She protected the treaties, she save the Warden at the Tower, and she gives you a hawt mage to take with you.

 

On some playthroughs, I killed Flemeth, on others she and I came to an understandng. Despite the sinister conotation, it seems that there isn't much difference which way you choose, kill her, she still lives, don't kill her, and nothing much changes in the timeline. The only unaddressed issue there is if you didn't kill her.... and Hawke delivers the amulet... there are techincally 2 of her out there.

 

And yet, if you romance Morrigan, you see, at the very least, what a stern and intolerant mother she had been. Until the Warden, she had never had a friend, and was taught friendship and love are weaknesses. Of devouring chasin men of their souls. In DAO, in the Fade, when loving Flemeth is exposed and strikes Morrigan, (Morri) reacts that that is more like the real Flemeth, so there is clearly physical abuse in their history.

 

In the end, Flemeth seems like both an effective mother (making her daughter strong and able to deal with the evils of the world) and yet, both an abusive, manipulative and cunning harpe in waiting. Yvanna claims is that Flemeth's possession is a gift, calling Morrigan a confused child, it lends credence to the idea that a soul is not forced on another, and yet, who knows how manipulated Yvanna has been by Flemeth. Still, it seems that Flemeth has her eyes on Morrigan over Yavanna for something big... Not sure what the end result was supposed to be, but I feel that Flemeth severly laments the HoF's... Bad Influence on Morrigan. She probably laments saving the HoF and Alistair at the Battle of Ostagar.... if given a second chance, she probably would have save Duncan and a few other GW. Either way, Flemeth is a shitty mother.

 

i only killed her for the loot and XP. But yeah, Flemeth is no means "BAD" she's just a really ancient and powerful mage trying to preserve the world or something like that, afterall she helped the Warden, Loghain, Marric Hawke and Inquisition (she can see the future, but that doesn't matter). Betwen, most of her daughters are alive (the one from the comics, forgot the name.)

 

It's true that Flemeth is changing the world and keeping it's balance. When she saved the warnde, she saved Ferelden, when she saved Hawke she saved Kirkwall from a worst fate and when she aided Morrigan she saved Thedas from Corypheus.

[the Dame]

Morrigan will regret not making up with her mother for the rest of her days

 

Very sad turn of affairs for her

 

Am I the only one who hears an evil "MWAHAHAHA" at the background? 

[NaclynE]

I don't think Morrigan is half-elven. Just because Mythal's soul is inside Flemeth, that shouldn't effect Flemeth's DNA, right? She should still be 100% human. Morrigan could be elven, since we don't know who her father is. Hawke's true destiny? He has none. Bioware wants to be done with Hawke, I thought it was obvious... And Flemeth tried to kill the Warden? When did this happen? She saves your life, and is one of the "sane" people that see the threat the Blight presents. She only tries to kill you if you try to kill her, you can take her grimoire amicably, if that's what you're referring to. Also, I thought it seemed obvious Flemeth wanted to posses Kieran, and to obtain the OGB.

 

Mystical fantasy lore can be weird I must say. It seems like at times when someone is possessed by someone their DNA is or is not pass on. From a-lot of the lore I usually follow Felmeth would still be herself and not be elven but if she were to pass on her genes then yes she would be passing some of the elven DNA on to her child (ALA Morrigan). However I have seen lore cases been full possession where some people would become full something and not partial and yeah defenetly the full genes will for sure pass on.

 

Well after playing DRAGON AGE 2 again Flemeth and Corypheus and a few other hints sound like BIOWARE isn't really done with Hawke because of Flemeth seeing there being a true reason to Hawke being in Kirkwall (unless it was to awaken Corypheus?). Also I think I remember Verric in DAI saying something to the effect that Hawke was going to Weisurppt? Frankly I do agree and I hope Bioware is done with Hawke.

 

As far as DAO is concerned if you work of Morrigan's mission to get the grimoire you can do it one of two ways or not do it at all. If you do it you can either convince Flemeth to give it to you or battle her to get it from her. If you do battle to get it from her you can Morrigan confirm of her "death" and get the grimoire. Also if I remember right if you do do that Flemeth mind games your character in either DA 2 (I'm pretty sure it's DA 2) or DAI (Unsure here) by saying "did I now? (laughs)" and gives a cryptic line about implying that it was a fake or something or was to the effect that she endured alot of pain over the years so the likelyhood of her being dead or even dieing sounds like it may never happen. 

[Blade_RJ]

Honeslty at this point i'm more inclined to believe mythal is actually elgar'nan the god of vengeance, after all andraste and a dragon lady statue were on this temple in emerald graves.

[Blade_RJ]

Mystical fantasy lore can be weird I must say. It seems like at times when someone is possessed by someone their DNA is or is not pass on. From a-lot of the lore I usually follow Felmeth would still be herself and not be elven but if she were to pass on her genes then yes she would be passing some of the elven DNA on to her child (ALA Morrigan). However I have seen lore cases been full possession where some people would become full something and not partial and yeah defenetly the full genes will for sure pass on.

 

Well after playing DRAGON AGE 2 again Flemeth and Corypheus and a few other hints sound like BIOWARE isn't really done with Hawke because of Flemeth seeing there being a true reason to Hawke being in Kirkwall (unless it was to awaken Corypheus?). Also I think I remember Verric in DAI saying something to the effect that Hawke was going to Weisurppt? Frankly I do agree and I hope Bioware is done with Hawke.

 

As far as DAO is concerned if you work of Morrigan's mission to get the grimoire you can do it one of two ways or not do it at all. If you do it you can either convince Flemeth to give it to you or battle her to get it from her. If you do battle to get it from her you can Morrigan confirm of her "death" and get the grimoire. Also if I remember right if you do do that Flemeth mind games your character in either DA 2 (I'm pretty sure it's DA 2) or DAI (Unsure here) by saying "did I now? (laughs)" and gives a cryptic line about implying that it was a fake or something or was to the effect that she endured alot of pain over the years so the likelyhood of her being dead or even dieing sounds like it may never happen. 

 

Well even if you dont kill old flemeth she may die, becouse the darkspawn came from the korkari wilds, although i believe there was a codex in DAI of an abandoned hut in the korkari that even darkspawn and wild life avoided.

[Anaeme]

What was could not be changed

[LadyVaJedi]

I agree with King Cousland. I do think Flem attempted to be a good mom. I also like to believe that Flemeth cares about her daughter and the world

[Anaeme]

The look of sorrow on Flemeth's face when Morrigan says she will not be the same kind of mother to Kieran spoke volumes about Flemeth's feelings for Morrigan.

 

Morrigan was the one who tried to kill Flemeth without taking the time to speak with her face to face and clear things up

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I'm sure she'll get over it.

[Frocharocha]

I agree with King Cousland. I do think Flem attempted to be a good mom. I also like to believe that Flemeth cares about her daughter and the world

Her plan in fact was to transfer all the souls she had gathered to Morrigan's body so MORRIGAN could continue her godhood. I believe that the grimoire, the warden, her amulet lone, everything was on her plans.