I pay no attention to challenges. If I complete one, it's purely by accident. The only challenge I care about is acquiring adequate skills with all the different kinds of kits and playstyles that this game provides, which is big bunch. That will keep me well occupied until ME4MP.
If vanguards or something else doesn't suit you, at a later date with more experience or better guns, you may find you come to change your mind. Happens to me all the time.
I heartily endorse this product and/or service ;-)
Reported.
I believe my work here on BSN is done 
Ohh, man, bein g dragged in the Challenges quest, just for galactic readiness.... Arg, U have enterred a strange void . U might wanna quit now, or it will take time, and U shouldnt be pissed off right at the start !!!
Holy ****, dude. You went all out, didn't you? You had me at "Overly fragile. Yes, made-of-wet-noodles-and-tissue-paper Drell Vanguard"
I think that was a typo. I'm fairly sure he meant to write "overly awesome, yes, made of win and wrecksauce Drell VanGOD".
But only like 80% or so, so don't quote me on that.
NightSlasher: QFI, QME & QMI?!?!?!?
TELL ME IT AIN'T SO
Unfortunately, yes. I don't like any of those three. I finished the 200 wave challenges for them (once for QMI, twice for the other two) but I rarely play them now.
All of the ****** kits and guns you listed are great, mate. Just watch a couple of Youtube vids, and you'll learn more about how to make them work. Deerber has a great vid on the "soft as charmin Drell Vanguard."
The Scorpion isn't a pistol. Don't treat it as one. The Scorpion is a pistol-sized grenade launcher. Used appropriately, it is remarkably fun.
The Acolyte is marginally more annoying to use because of the charge-up, but it is the single best shield/barrier stripping weapon in the game. The bouncing of the projectile can be difficult to predict, but it allows for the occasional trick shot of hitting something behind cover, and direct hits will eliminate shields.
I agree with you about the gimmicks.. at least until you learn to use them appropriately. I have no use for the Talon merc, but the Krogan Warlord is basically a walking explosion. Throw him into groups and unleash the hammer, the shockwave of the explosion will decimate spawns.
Yes, the Slayer is basically Kai Leng with a helmet, but he's also a Vanguard with a ranged Nova. Thematically, you'd use swords primarily to get around shields. In the lore, shield barriers are very good against bullets, not so good against low-velocity fists, omniblades, and other melee weapons. Unlike Kai Leng, however, the sword is NOT your primary weapon as an N7 Slayer.
The N7 Shadow is based on the Phantom, certainly. And Shadow Strike gives you amazing mobility, much like a Vanguard though more focused.
The Turian Havoc is a tech-based Vanguard with a great deal of battlefield mobility. USE that mobility to attack and put yourself in a position where you can put enemies in a crossfire with your teammates.
The Volus Protector is a great kit. Definitely one of the better Vanguard kits. It's only your perception that the Volus Protector is meant to be more of a joke than the other Vanguards that leads you to believe you should be more effective with something else. The Volus has *two* shield recovery mechanisms; Charge and Shield Boost, and it has a power recharge improving ability with the Biotic Orbs. Orbs that also do damage and debuff. It's going to be very survivable and a very high damage character to boot.
The key with the Graal is to be accurate with it. Use the charge up only when you can take your time aiming. You will need a bit of distance, trying to get in close and personal means you will miss more often than not. However, I've seen it take down a pair of enemies that were directly in line with the shot, so it's got a remarkable amount of penetration.
And the Striker.. look, like the Talon Venom, the Falcon and the Scorpion, the Striker is a grenade launcher. A full-auto grenade launcher, in this case. While it can be used to score direct hits, it's main utility is in the fact it flings grenades. Again, use it like one.
Frankly, I'm not looking forward to the Vorcha. Any of them. Losing control of the character, and popping out of cover for a couple seconds while that damn rage animation goes off is a guaranteed killer. And you *need* that rage for the regen and damage boosts.
The Volus Sentinel. Sure, it's a very effective kit. But it's boring. Send drone into spawn, run around shooting stuff with an SMG, throw down a decoy to.. well, uh, I guess it does *something* but by the time it dies and explodes, the spawn around it is already long dead thanks to teammates.
Must....resist....urge to........damn it
OP, it's fine admitting that you are inexperienced, but due to your combative nature I have one piece of advice: L2P
Drellgod squishy? You do realize that you can recharge your shields every 2 seconds or so, right? You also have a walking speed so fast that you can practically avoid gunfire simply by strafing. Every Vanguard (even the Volus) is at worst ridiculously survivable and tanky, and at best (Krogan, Batarian, Novaguard) invincible if you have an idea what you're doing. Saboturian and Havoc are fine, not every kit has to be overpowered.
Talon is broken and gimmicky, I agree, but not because of its ineffectiveness/stupid bow or whatever. The mines make it literally the most overpowered thing in the game. It is practically missile glitching without the glitch. Krolard is a pure melee kit, completely unique, very damaging and highly survivable if you know how to avoid getting grabbed.
Now for the guns you mentioned. Kishock is the most powerful single shot weapon in the game, is the only sniper without a hipfire penalty and ignores shieldgate. It is a fantastic weapon that would be in contention in the argument for best in the game if not for glitched double hits on heavy armor that hitscan guns get.
Acolyte actually IS in contention for most overpowered weapon in the game. Do you have any idea how powerful the ability to basically ignore shields and barriers is for some kits? Try putting the damn thing on a flamer kit. Laugh as entire waves fall before you as you press two buttons in sequence and move a stick about to face in the general direction of enemies
Graal is fantastic as well. Weighs nothing for a shotgun because you can ignore piercing mods, and still does great damage. Staggers humanoids with every shot, which is trivializing for certain otherwise powerful units like phantoms. Perfect weapon for melee kits because the blade doesn't cost you accuracy.
Scorpion is another great weapon. It is specialized, yes, but highly effective in what it does. Makes a great sidearm for a kit without an anti Phantom tool, or even main weapon for casters to apply ammo with.
Must....resist....urge to........damn it
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But like it I do 
Characters: 200 waves with all four volus, talon merc, QME, QMI, QFI; extractions with demolisher, fury
Guns: Raptor, shuriken, predator, vindicator
I have done some of these challenges only once, some twice but I wouldn't do these again.
don't believe I've even played the Quarksman
You should both orbital strike-proof your houses right now and if you plan on surviving, prepare to fite me IRL.
Vanguards just don't suit me. Evidence: better with a Volus than a Krogan! I'm way happier with Adept / Engineer. And I've enjoyed every infiltrator class I've played, even Quarians!
WTF is this supposed to mean? Aside from my extremely slight and reasonable personal biases, both of them are objectively top tier kits. The bro is probably a top 10 kit on all difficulties, and top 3 on gold and below. The lady is a fantastic sniper, as well as a single target armour busting monster, and even a melee bruiser.
I find the Incisor sniper rifle a real chore. I went through a phase of trying to make it work on my QFI and just gave up; I've had the challenge sitting at 87% completion for ages. Perhaps I'll equip it on a turian soldier for a couple of Silver games just to get it over with.
Use barrage upgrade and a stability 3. It will have no recoil even outside of cover and few mooks can survive more than a couple of bursts when all the rounds hit. Its pure sustained DPS is actually second only to the Valiant in the sniper class if I remember correctly, and this is before TC sniper bonuses. It is by no means a terrible weapon if you can score hits with it.
WTF is this supposed to mean? Aside from my extremely slight and reasonable personal biases, both of them are objectively top tier kits. The bro is probably a top 10 kit on all difficulties, and top 3 on gold and below. The lady is a fantastic sniper, as well as a single target armour busting monster, and even a melee bruiser.
Haha, this made me lol. I have a very hard time finding 9 kits which are better than the QMI anyway, no matter the difficulty...
To OP: when I joined this forum three weeks ago, I was a Bronze level player who could just about survive Silver games using a crutch kit and a level 3 cyclonic. Now, I can carry Silver matches using my favourite characters and make reasonable contributions to Gold games as part of a good team. I'm playing better than I believed possible, and still have so much improvement to come.
The absolute best thing you can do is to make friends here and follow the advice of the many expert players who love the game.
(The second best thing you can do is join in with all the silliness :-)
Use barrage upgrade and a stability 3. It will have no recoil even outside of cover and few mooks can survive more than a couple of bursts when all the rounds hit. Its pure sustained DPS is actually second only to the Valiant in the sniper class if I remember correctly, and this is before TC sniper bonuses. It is by no means a terrible weapon if you can score hits with it.
To QMR: thank you :-)
To OP: this is exactly the sort of thing I mean. I will try this next time I play a Silver game. My favourite character just gained a new weapon option. I might really like it. And I'd never have known if I hadn't joined the forum with a willingness to learn from great players.
To OP: when I joined this forum three weeks ago, I was a Bronze level player who could just about survive Silver games using a crutch kit and a level 3 cyclonic. Now, I can carry Silver matches using my favourite characters and make reasonable contributions to Gold games as part of a good team. I'm playing better than I believed possible, and still have so much improvement to come.
The absolute best thing you can do is to make friends here and follow the advice of the many expert players who love the game.
(The second best thing you can do is join in with all the silliness :-)
To QMR: thank you :-)
To OP: this is exactly the sort of thing I mean. I will try this next time I play a Silver game. My favourite character just gained a new weapon option. I might really like it. And I'd never have known if I hadn't joined the forum with a willingness to learn from great players.
That's a very good attitude, and I'm glad it's working for you!
Haha, this made me lol. I have a very hard time finding 9 kits which are better than the QMI anyway, no matter the difficulty...
On gold and below I agree. The only thing that can outdo a well played QMI is a Talon or a GI with very good aim, as long as you have access to lots of grenades.
On plat, I have played both extensively and find the QME to be superior in practical damage output because of the buffed up combo damage. Actually, I prefer the lady infiltrator to the bro for the same reason, at least vs Reapers and Collectors, (though I wouldn't outright make the argument that she's better). Not enough mooks means that the arc grenades alone aren't quite as good at utterly wrecking wave budgets (but they are still very good with a powerful anti armor weapon.)
As for 9 kits: Talon, GI, QME, DA, GTS, VSol, Vsent, TGI, and Sexbot are IMO unquestionably more effective MOST of the time on plat. Keep in mind top 10 lists change based on what you are shooting at, how you are specced and what weapons you are using etc. If we exclude the broken Talon and GI, then he probably makes it, or is at least is in contention with Krosol, DAI, Batsol and Batdept.
A DI can out perform a QMI.
Ohh, man, bein g dragged in the Challenges quest, just for galactic readiness.... Arg, U have enterred a strange void
Yeah. I was wondering what those numbers that occasionally popped up were all about. Then - fatal! - I googled how to get one of those funky banners for the lobby. When I saw that there were challenges to complete, I thought "The collect-em-all thing with guns and characters and gear isn't enough? Do you know what sort of gamer I am"? Yet somehow, I suspect that Best-of-the-Best will elude me since that would involve gold solo runs (question: I see people with that banner in bronze matches. Why? If you can solo gold what do you get from a bronze match? A feeling of one-upmanship over the plebs?).
Now getting towards the end of what I can do. Once I'm done with the Krogan Sentinel, I'll switch to Krogan Soldier. I have one shotgun left for Street Sweeper (just unlocked Reegar Carbine challenge). Can do Adas Anti-Synthetic Rifle, AIU extractions, Geth Infiltrator extractions. But I won't be able to complete Blood Pack, Resurgence, Rebellion or Reckoning Mastery without unlocking extra stuff from the store.
Not really planning on Sniper mastery - I like some guns but sure as heck don't like nine of 'em! SMG mastery is not on my to-do list either since I have five SMGs and one of them is the Hornet (I assume that it is safe to say that the Hornet is irredemably awful). Other stuff will come at its own pace.
Then I can relax. Just hope I won't be bored by then!
A DI can out perform a QMI.
yeah, I included him in the same group just below the broken-tier kits.
yeah, I included him in the same group just below the broken-tier kits.
I am curious as to where you include the QMI - definitely broken tier, right? I mean, cloak + one of the most ridiculous grenades.
(I assume that it is safe to say that the Hornet is irredemably awful).
I like it with a recoil mod on my QME or other casters. It isn't too heavy and deals nice short/medium-range damage during cooldowns. Unlike the burst-fire assault rifles, it bursts as quickly as one can pulse the trigger. The kick is horrible without the recoil mod, I agree; but with it, I think I find the Hornet easier to deal with than the Tempest.
But that's just me, and I'm _far_ from being an expert.
I am curious as to where you include the QMI - definitely broken tier, right? I mean, cloak + one of the most ridiculous grenades.
almost all bias aside: yes, on gold and below, but lots of stuff is brokenly simple below plat. That's why I use uncommon and lower weapons on him. I particularly love the Raptor. Stagger a group and shoot them all in the face.
There is really no need to make the game as easy as it becomes when you use an arc pistol with a power amp attachment and gear on him. May as well missile glitch at that point.
The Volus Sentinel. Sure, it's a very effective kit. Send drone into spawn, run around shooting stuff with a Saber.
Fixed. Seriously.
You're a massive suck-up, and I'm glad it's working for you!
Fixed 
I see people with that banner in bronze matches. Why? If you can solo gold what do you get from a bronze match?
If you happen to need 5 waves with a particular kit, or more Husk points, or need another 3k weapon points, then dropping into a Bronze or Silver match is quicker and consumes less equipment than gearing up for Gold.
I always end up playing a couple Silver games to finish Guardian points, or take a Flamer kit to Bronze for the Husk points.
I find the Hornet easier to deal with than the Tempest.
The Tempest already has a decent sized clip so you don't need the extended mag. Take the Stability mod and the Wide barrel (with AP ammo) or the HVB and you'll discover it becomes a headshot machine. I like it on the QFE because that way she can combo her powers at max frequency.
Talon Merc is only as broken as the person that takes this kit to battle. I mean, what the ****?!? Only god forsaken assholes go and spam the damn mines. If you use the mines as they were intended, defensively as in traps, he's not - that - powerful. When I play the Merc, I make it my job to protect the team's flanks with Cain Mines. I use the bow a lot, too. The Mines are to alert myself and the team to any flanking enemies, and they kill off annoying Aboms and Geth Hunters, etc. Yes, I could be a total score ****** and spam the freakin' things, but that just being an *******.
But I get where you're coming from. I have seen them, too. But again, just because certain assholes use a kit a certain way, doesn't make it broken. The people that use the kit that specific way...are the ones that are broken. And as you always say, they should:
L2P!!
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