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[ALTBOULI]

I decided to try something a little different with my Assassin and went with the following powers:

 

 - Stealth

 - Evade

 - Hidden Blades

 - Flank Attack

 

Full Build here (http://da-skills.net...C,110,1A100,110)

 

The purpose of this build was to test out the effectiveness of the Stealth + evade combo when utilized with 'Knife in the shadows' and 'I was never here' passives. The thinking behind it was that I could in theory spam the hell out of Evade + Stealth. I was surprised with how effective this combo was on the hunter and thought it would be interesting to see how it fairs on the Assassin given the ability to remove any cool-down on Stealth and the potential to do even more damage with this combo.

 

I was surprised and a little disappointed to find that I was actually doing slightly less damage with this combo in comparison to using on the Hunter. However on the Assassin I could utilise Stealth + Evade far more frequently (every 3 seconds) than I could on the Hunter. This is because I was only reliant on the cooldown of evade as each kill reset any cooldowns on stealth.  In addition to this, 'Dance of Death' meant that I never have to worry about stamina consumption as Stealth + Evade only consumes 40 Stamina and I get 50 Stamina back for every kill. 

 

This set-up kills most mooks however for enemies like Venatari Brutes, Red Templar knights etc I Tend to use Hidden blades. Flank Attack in this build is primarily used to finish enemies off and get back into stealth instantly. This build requires you to be quite aggressive and so you want to be in stealth as much as possible to remove any aggro on you.

 

A few things to note with this build:

 

1. Evade becomes a lot less effective on a laggy host so ideally you want to be hosting or be on a good host to ensure its as effective as possible

2. This build will make you look utterly ridiculous, friends have informed me how silly it looks to run into a group of enemies and       somersault from one mook to the next  

3. Be aware of enemies that Perceive and  break you out of Stealth, they can be lethal when your in the middle of a group of enemies and lose your cloak because some wolf or archer has spotted you.

 

Video below showcasing the build, note that this build was mostly tested on Threatening (Apologies about the sound, Xbone can be so frustrating to use sometimes..):

 

 

 

[Gya]

Sweet build! Definitely gonna try this when I promote, in spite of your lag warning. I mean, it can't be any worse than running up behind a bunch of archer's and firing twin fangs only for rubberbanding to drag your unstealthed ass in front of them all - pincushion time!

[daravin2k]

I was thinking of something similar with the Alchemist

http://da-skills.net...110,00100,1C1,1

[russ4ua16]

Probably the most creative build I've seen. What kind of weapons and accessories are you using? Have you tried it on perilous?

Respect! +1

[Kenny Bania]

Interesting. I didn't give it enough of a shot when I tried it on the Alchemist and abandoned the idea as soon as I realised it broke stealth. I'll give it another go.

[Stev]

Nice!! Not sure if I would use it in Perilous, though. I can't live without Deathblow.

[ALTBOULI]

Sweet build! Definitely gonna try this when I promote, in spite of your lag warning. I mean, it can't be any worse than running up behind a bunch of archer's and firing twin fangs only for rubberbanding to drag your unstealthed ass in front of them all - pincushion time!

I think evade simply does not register sometimes on a laggy host. I have tried using evade numerous times without stealth for example and I would often take damage and be teleported right back to were I was positioned before using Evade.  it's still usable off host but your probably not going to be quite as efdective when not hosting (the timing has to be more precise)

Probably the most creative build I've seen. What kind of weapons and accessories are you using? Have you tried it on perilous?
Respect! +1

Tried Perilous briefly, it's still pretty effective but you may need to soften a target up a bit more before using this combo (tankier enemies etc) but this was when I was playing alone. It should still be quite effective when your playing in a team. Accessories are a Unique HOK ring, Rare Belt of Health, Unique Attack Ring, and rare Stamina Amulet. The Stamina Amulet really isnt needed tbh bjt at the moment I have nothing better to use. Weapons: I always have 1 Agony blade equiped and for the second blade i've been playing around with Blade of Red Birth, Walking Death and a second Agony blade. Surprisingly Red Birth seemed to be doing the least amount of damage on crits. I prefer to use Walking death or a second Agony blade as a result of this

[ALTBOULI]

Interesting. I didn't give it enough of a shot when I tried it on the Alchemist and abandoned the idea as soon as I realised it broke stealth. I'll give it another go.

it will be interesting to see how it fairs on the alchemist  

Nice!! Not sure if I would use it in Perilous, though. I can't live without Deathblow.

not a fan of deathblow, it is very buggy for me (often leaving me with no stamina in the second hit) you also have to sacrifce some points to get down that tree

[russ4ua16]

That crit damage on Agony is beast

[ALTBOULI]

That crit damage on Agony is beast

Yeah it is, im still not quite sure why i'm doing less damage with this combo though in comparison to using Evade + Stealth on the Hunter. I will need to investigate more

[Catastrophy]

Lol, it took me a moment to realize what was happening.

[ALTBOULI]

Lol, it took me a moment to realize what was happening.

There's a method to my madness

[Kenny Bania]

Accessories are a Unique HOK ring

 

Ha! Scrubs with only one unique HoK ring. I spit on you.

 

it will be interesting to see how it fairs on the alchemist 

 

IIRC, the damage was pretty lackluster, but I only tried it early on, long before I got knife in the shadows to always crit from stealth.

[ALTBOULI]

Ha! Scrubs with only one unique HoK ring. I spit on you.
 

 
IIRC, the damage was pretty lackluster, but I only tried it early on, long before I got knife in the shadows to alwasy crit from stealth.

Elite players only need 1 HOK ring, I want the ring that increases critical damage, I believe its 20% extra damage according to the description

[Kenny Bania]

Elite players only need 1 HOK ring, I want the ring that increases critical damage, I believe its 20% extra damage according to the description

 

I've got two of the basic ones at 5% I believe, so I'd assume it progressed to 10% for enhanced and 20% for superb.

[nanotm]

better than hok rings is aoe weapons that give heal on hit, then your getting a steady stream of hp increase per hit, of course you need a barrier or guard up to take full advantage of it

 

used a bow on my archer that gave 1% heal on hit and 3% hok, outscored everyone in 4 runs without immortal on every run, I'm sure a few people thought I was cheater since I was constantly regaining hp

 

swapped to the higher damage weapon (10 more attack) and I had to be ressed several times

 

got a heal on hit dagger and my assassin was much easier to play, (I still don't have any hok rings just 2 5% attack ones /

 

so weapons are clearly far more important than rings

[Kenny Bania]

Had some points to spare on my assassin at lvl 16, so I tried this out. It ended up being an extremely laggy game, which didn't bode well for evade. I pretty much had to abandon it halfway through the second wave. Will try again next time.

[ALTBOULI]

Had some points to spare on my assassin at lvl 16, so I tried this out. It ended up being an extremely laggy game, which didn't bode well for evade. I pretty much had to abandon it halfway through the second wave. Will try again next time.

Smh - how have you specced the alchemist so far?

[Kenny Bania]

Smh - how have you specced the alchemist so far?

 

Sticking with the stealth, poisoned blades, flank attack, shadow strike build for now.

[ALTBOULI]

Sticking with the stealth, poisoned blades, flank attack, shadow strike build for now.

I want to see how useful Flask of frost is, I might try a build of Toxic Cloud,Stealth, evade and Flask of frost. Never tried Flask of frost and it would be interesting to see if taunt can huddle a group of enemies together. If so you should be able to hit a group with one Evade + Stealth combo and then hit them with poison cloud straight after to finish off any stragglers. I will try it out tomorrow!

[akots1]

Just tried it on routine while hosting. Pugs were completely puzzled as to what is going on. Very funny, probably the funniest style there is. Demons are largely immune though apart from shades and animals. Rage demons sometimes get some damage but they don't seem to attack the phantom. It might have been chain lightning from agony. Very enjoyable idea, many thanks.

[akots1]

Nice!! Not sure if I would use it in Perilous, though.

It does not looks like it is very reliable off host and even on host. Also, damage is not so reliable. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Seems like it depends on whether the enemies are looking in your direction and actually trying to attack you.

[ALTBOULI]

It does not looks like it is very reliable off host and even on host. Also, damage is not so reliable. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Seems like it depends on whether the enemies are looking in your direction and actually trying to attack you.

I cant say I've ever had an issue on host, in what situations is it not working? The damage for me ranged from just over 1500 to around 1900 on a fairly consistent bassis. In one instance in the video above you can see it hiting for over 3000. I tried attacking from the front and the back but saw no visible difference in hit detection or difference in damage

[akots1]

I cant say I've ever had an issue on host, in what situations is it not working? The damage for me ranged from just over 1500 to around 1900 on a fairly consistent bassis. In one instance in the video above you can see it hiting for over 3000. I tried attacking from the front and the back but saw no visible difference in hit detection or difference in damage

I did not take yet Knife in the shadows as I was only level 10-12 and that might explain it. But still, sometimes it did no damage at all even when you go right through the enemies. Even if hit is not critical, it should still register. This is somewhat mysterious as it was on host. Also, I cannot get to your damage numbers. Minimum was around 400+, maximum around a thousand on bronze. I used agony and some other blue dagger, coiled strike, as I have nothing better. With agony at 126 damage, evade is supposed to do 3x(126+25)=453 plus change and about double that for critical hits and this is exactly what I have seen. So, don't know what the secret is. I presume I'm doing something wrong as usual. Any other little apparently unimportant details? There was not much I'm doing differently than you in the video. Not that I can tell.

[ALTBOULI]

I did not take yet Knife in the shadows as I was only level 10-12 and that might explain it. But still, sometimes it did no damage at all even when you go right through the enemies. Even if hit is not critical, it should still register. This is somewhat mysterious as it was on host. Also, I cannot get to your damage numbers. Minimum was around 400+, maximum around a thousand on bronze. I used agony and some other blue dagger, coiled strike, as I have nothing better. With agony at 126 damage, evade is supposed to do 3x(126+25)=453 plus change and about double that for critical hits and this is exactly what I have seen. So, don't know what the secret is. I presume I'm doing something wrong as usual. Any other little apparently unimportant details? There was not much I'm doing differently than you in the video. Not that I can tell.

In order to get the high damage numbers you need knife in the shadows which guarntees a crit every time you break stealth. Given your lvl it sounds like you might not have unlocked some of the more vital passives just yet. Bit of a silly question but ar you using Stealth all the time and do you have the second rank of stealth unlocked?