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[Zhuljiin]

Hi everyone,

 

I have a question about the quest : "The Urn of Sacred Ashes" in Dragon Age : Origins. I wonder if there are consequences to defile the Urn instead of letting the ashes unspoiled ? I know you can unlock the Reaver specialization when you choose to sully Andraste's ashes, but you have to fight (or to loose) Wynne, and maybe Leliana and Allistair. It appears to be a bad choice. I'm aware of the angriness of Wynne (if she's stll alive) in Awakenings about that choice in Amaranthine. But what I don't know is this : is there a consequence in Dragon Age II or Dragon Age : Inquisition to defile the Urn ? In story maybe ? Or with quests ? Perhaps someone tells you something about it ?

 

I'm doing the trilogy for the second time and I'm trying to make another choices, but I don't know if there is a benefit to defile the Urn.

 

Thanks for your responses !

[Captain Wiseass]

There's none in DA2, and none in Inquisition that I'm aware of (I have not done everything in Inqusition). There is a tile in the Keep about it, though, so presumably it comes up somewhere. Leliana would certainly have something to say about it in subsequent appearances.

 

The immediate, tangible benefit is, obviously, the Reaver specialization.

[Zhuljiin]

Thanks for your answer Captain Wiseass.

 

Indeed, the Keep dropped a hint that set me thinking there are consequences to sully Andraste's ashes in Dragon Age : Inquisition. So it might be asked whether, if there was an interest (in story, in a quest, with PC or NPC) to defile the Urn.

 

I'm still not sure about the benefit to try this choice in Dragon Age Trilogy, so I ask to this community if someone knew something about it. Because if the only benefit is the Reaver specialization, defile the Urn isn't worthy of interest.

[themikefest]

I did defile the ashes with Leliana present and my Warden fought and "killed" her.  In DAI,  Leliana will talk about being "killed". She won't have any nice things to say about the Warden. 

[Dutchess]

I'm still bummed it doesn't even matter whether I killed that High Dragon!

[Pack_Fan116]

Okay... I have never defiled the Sacred Ashes because it is just not something that I would do...

I am aware that if Leliana is in your party and one does defile the Ashes, that you have to fight and kill her...

This brings me the the burning question that I have: How does Leliana come back to life if the Warden kills her? (I could probably find this out on some wiki, but who has the time). Obviously there is some kind of loop hole since she appears in all 3 DA games.

[Dutchess]

^The Maker interfered. Also known as "David Gaider disagreed".

[Pack_Fan116]

^The Maker interfered. Also known as "David Gaider disagreed".

Haha... Okay, I'm sure this is why she was resurrected but I was looking for more of a 'how'. How was her return in DA2 explained?

[RVallant]

Haha... Okay, I'm sure this is why she was resurrected but I was looking for more of a 'how'. How was her return in DA2 explained?

 

No. There were LOTS of topics about this on here when DA 2 came out.

 

Gaider basically said 'you saw what you wanted and believed it, it's not a ret-con, you're all basically retards and I'm right, you're wrong, lalalalalala'

 

Not even joking. Google his name, you'll find plenty of screencaps of the above. 

 

Basically, they *may* have overlooked the fact she could die and got pretty pissy when it was pointed out to them. There's no real in-game explanation that doesn't lead to a plot-hole, so the best we have is the ret-con; as stated; "Best known as Gaider disagreed".

[Dutchess]

Haha... Okay, I'm sure this is why she was resurrected but I was looking for more of a 'how'. How was her return in DA2 explained?

 

I was serious actually. I'm not entirely sure what her exact words are in DA:I, but in DA2 she says "the Maker knew it was not my time". So yes, Divine interference as the best guess. I know in DA:I she mentions being in excruciating pain when waking up in the temple after the Warden "killed" her, but as far as I'm aware there's not more of an explanation given then.

[RVallant]

I was serious actually. I'm not entirely sure what her exact words are in DA:I, but in DA2 she says "the Maker knew it was not my time". So yes, Divine interference as the best guess. I know in DA:I she mentions being in excruciating pain when waking up in the temple after the Warden "killed" her, but as far as I'm aware there's not more of an explanation given then.

 

Makes it even worse if that is the case as the confrontation to "kill" her can happen outside of the Temple of Sacred Ashes. @_@

[Dutchess]

Makes it even worse if that is the case as the confrontation to "kill" her can happen outside of the Temple of Sacred Ashes. @_@

 

Found a video:

 

http://youtu.be/Sy_wQra1trg?t=1m44s

 

She claims to have "died" in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. And the explanations is now "magic".

[DracoAngel]

There are no consequences for either option in DA2 and Leliana's dialogue in DAI is the only change and that also depends on if she was hardened (Meaning the tile choices were: Killed Marjolaine and Leliana is alive and well.

 

Alistair will never leave you're party until the end game when you have to choose between either him or the "special companion"

Spoiler

Loghain

. Him and Dog can be the only 2 companions in your party at the end. Alistair can hate you, but he will never leave unless you choose the special companion over him.

 

If you bring a hardened Leliana to the Urn and defile it, she will voice her displeasure, but will otherwise not interfere or attack; if she is unhardened and you talk to her at camp after she will leave the group. Wynne on the other hand will attack you if you bring her; if she isn't in the party she will leave your group the next time you talk to her at camp.

[Pack_Fan116]

I was serious actually. I'm not entirely sure what her exact words are in DA:I, but in DA2 she says "the Maker knew it was not my time". So yes, Divine interference as the best guess. I know in DA:I she mentions being in excruciating pain when waking up in the temple after the Warden "killed" her, but as far as I'm aware there's not more of an explanation given then.

Well, I'm glad I never killed her in any of my playthroughs because that is a pretty weak...

I guess BioWare must have decided after the fact that she was too good of a character to kill off. They did rush the making if DA2, maybe they forgot to check that killing Leliana was an option in the previous game while they were creating the individually unique and varied cave systems of Kirkwall

[RVallant]

Found a video:

 

http://youtu.be/Sy_wQra1trg?t=1m44s

 

She claims to have "died" in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. And the explanations is now "magic".

 

Stupid, given that she doesn't always die there and can be killed elsewhere.

 

I like the youtube comments, there's (surprisingly) a good discussion about other party members you can kill who re-appear in other media. It's a bit silly.

[sylvanaerie]

I don't find it that hard to swallow.  Basically, your warden attacked her and she went down.  You thought you killed her, but were mistaken, the warden doesn't take her pulse to check if she's dead afterward.  There is NO cutscene confirming the kill as with Howe, although people have tried to insist a combat animation (beheading) as 'proof' she's dead.  Call it magic, Faith, Divine interention, whatever you like, in this instance, storytelling trumped player agency.  Her death occurs in a temple dedicated to a faith followed by thousands, or the walls are permeated with Lyrium, or magic and spirits/fade immediacy meant her injuries were able to be healed.  Maybe she's been possessed by a spirit of Faith as Wynne had been.

 

There are any number of reasons she may have recovered.

 

People have complained "My choices aren't respected!" but really, the only choice that matters at all in the overall scheme of things is "Did your warden kill the archdemon?"  Some minor things come up like "Who rules Ferelden?"  "Did the warden die killing the archdemon?"  But mostly the choices you made in Origins pretty much are confined to affecting Origins.  DA2 reflects some of them in minor quests, but Inquisition, being even further removed from Origins' events reflects only "Who rules Ferelden from what I can tell" and even then it's a minor thing.  There are some wartable missions stemming from some events/who lives etc, but otherwise, in the overall scheme of things, nothing huge.

Leliana makes mention of the "Hero" who defiled the ashes and attacked her, (with nothing good to say about him/her) but otherwise, pretty much nothing more is said about the incident.  Even she is unsure how she survived the encounter, falling on her faith as an 'explanation' as to what happened.

[RVallant]

You're assuming she dies in the Temple. As I said, she can die anywhere in the game as a consequence of the Urn.

 

It may not be a big deal for you or I but to those who do want some consistency throughout, it matters. Also it's not just her death that was mishandled; it's the fact that if story trumps what happens on the screen then what is the point of playing that game? If I kill the Archdemon and somewhere down the line they say I didn't, there's going to be a disconnect between the player and the experience.

 

Nothing really justifies/covers it up well enough, they made a mistake and mishandled it tbh.

[sylvanaerie]

You're assuming she dies in the Temple. As I said, she can die anywhere in the game as a consequence of the Urn.

 

It may not be a big deal for you or I but to those who do want some consistency throughout, it matters. Also it's not just her death that was mishandled; it's the fact that if story trumps what happens on the screen then what is the point of playing that game? If I kill the Archdemon and somewhere down the line they say I didn't, there's going to be a disconnect between the player and the experience.

 

Nothing really justifies/covers it up well enough, they made a mistake and mishandled it tbh.

 

Could you link me to a video where she dies elsewhere as a result of the player's actions at the urn?  As far as I knew, that's the only place where she goes all princess stabbity on you.  I tried to utube it without results.  I saw the battle at the temple, but can't find one elsewhere.